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cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

nowhinezone posted:

Palantir is flailing it seems

Looks like their trying to lock down some of their ex-employees who have jumped ship, or trying to prevent the next round of ship-jumpers.

Also, can we talk about how ominously creepy it is that the CIA has a VC arm?
When all you really have is potential, you have to do everything you can to stop word of your failures from spreading. Almost as if 20 Billion dollar companies without anywhere near that amount in actual assets are a toxic barrel waiting to roll off the truck.

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Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

blowfish posted:

Ok let's go

I assume a personal server is what Uberbit is going to disrupt. Possibly by reinventing the wheel butt cloud.

Bingo.
I further assume that peer-to-peer network = :tinfoil: + decentralisation worship + techie lolbertarianism + possibly buttcoin, and that clean slate system software stack = implementing special snowflake cases in a nonstandard and confusing software environment.

:tinfoil: confirmed.

Decentralisation worship confirmed. Buttcoin also confirmed.


Special snowflake software weirdness confirmed.

tl;dr lol moldbug

Sounds like another kiddie porn jungle similar to bitcoin or Tor but I don't think Yarvin is about that. More likely it is a secret supervillain network for "neo-cameralists" to plot the downfall of the New York Times and install the ancien regime. But no mammal would ever pick up a gun for or consent to be ruled by QinShiHuang Fungusgnat. Maybe a very patient monitor lizard.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009
They sound like people who have read too many Neal Stephenson novels jeez

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
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RandomPauI posted:

So instead of buying a backup hard drive and using central cloud storage people will use a backup drive and decentralized cloud storage.

But what happens if someone pulls their buttcoin cloud server offline?

You'll know never to do business with them again and the market will self correct.

Shakenbaker
Nov 14, 2005



Grimey Drawer

cheese posted:

When all you really have is potential, you have to do everything you can to stop word of your failures from spreading. Almost as if 20 Billion dollar companies without anywhere near that amount in actual assets are a toxic barrel waiting to roll off the truck.

So you're saying that we're gonna get either the Ninja Turtles or Daredevil out of this???

taiyoko
Jan 10, 2008


More like the Toxic Avenger.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
We're people actually talking about Shadowrun?

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗
Looks like some good news for airbnb an obscure anti-porn law is helping them avoid fines in the SF Bay Area. Well if the lawsuit holds up.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/29/airbnb-lawsuit-san-francisco-regulation-internet-porn
A wacky dude got an anti-porn law passed in the 90's but business minded Republicans only voted it in with the inclusion of a section absolving hosts and services from being fined for user violations.

quote:

Section 230 holds that providers of “interactive computer services” cannot be held liable for the content that users post on their sites. That means that Yelp cannot be held liable for users leaving negative reviews of your business and eBay cannot be held liable if you bid on an autographed baseball that ends up being counterfeit: the platforms are held to be neutral intermediaries and their tantalizingly deep pockets are out of reach.

airbnb is arguing they're not breaking the law when their users post rentals without proper permitting, so they can't be held responsible.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Coolness Averted posted:

Looks like some good news for airbnb an obscure anti-porn law is helping them avoid fines in the SF Bay Area. Well if the lawsuit holds up.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/29/airbnb-lawsuit-san-francisco-regulation-internet-porn
A wacky dude got an anti-porn law passed in the 90's but business minded Republicans only voted it in with the inclusion of a section absolving hosts and services from being fined for user violations.


airbnb is arguing they're not breaking the law when their users post rentals without proper permitting, so they can't be held responsible.

Never heard section 230 referred to as an obscure anti-porn law.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Isn't that like when Napster said they weren't responsible for users using their software to share illegal files?

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Joshmo posted:

Joel Spolsky's Fog Creek is annoyingly cutesy about the way they're all one big happy family that codes and eats together. Then again, maybe I'm just jealous I'm not living or working in a Manhattan highrise.

They're still around?!

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

duz posted:

Never heard section 230 referred to as an obscure anti-porn law.

Section 230 is part of the obscure anti-porn law that has since been largely dismantled. I wasn't aware of those origins, were you? Also to be frank I've never even heard section 230 period, instead I hear stuff about the DMCA safe-habor stuff.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

JamesKPolk posted:

This could ignorance on my part but whats the difference between a decentralized peer to peer network of personal servers... and the internet?

Like it looks like they're trying to build an internet inside the internet.

Effectively no difference for the user, unless the user is some sperglord who wants p2p for the hell of it or is really :tinfoil:.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

blowfish posted:

Effectively no difference for the user, unless the user is some sperglord who wants p2p for the hell of it or is really :tinfoil:.

Moldbug at one point claimed that his whole deal with Urbit was specifically about building his (poorly considered and disgusting) philosophy into the fabric of a system people would use, and therefore get them to adopt it.

The thing is he's also an obscuritanist sperglord and thus working hard to guarantee nobody actually uses his system. I can't believe anyone actually just forked over money to get a place in it given its terribleness along two separate axes.

Moldbug having worked at Xaos in the 90s means I might know one or two people who worked with him, too. Maybe I'll see if anyone remembers him, and their reaction to him going full monarchist and slavery advocate.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

Crowsbeak posted:

We're people actually talking about Shadowrun?

no, shadowrun homebrews usually are less dystopian

wateroverfire
Jul 3, 2010

Coolness Averted posted:

Section 230 is part of the obscure anti-porn law that has since been largely dismantled. I wasn't aware of those origins, were you? Also to be frank I've never even heard section 230 period, instead I hear stuff about the DMCA safe-habor stuff.

Section 230 is a very important piece of law that enables a ton of e-activities. Social media basically couldn't exist without it. The SF city attorney will probably argue (disclaimer: IANAL, may be talking out of my rear end) that AirBNB is not merely a transmission agent because it processes payments, arbitrates disputes, etc. Dunno if that argument would fly or not.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Coolness Averted posted:

Section 230 is part of the obscure anti-porn law that has since been largely dismantled. I wasn't aware of those origins, were you? Also to be frank I've never even heard section 230 period, instead I hear stuff about the DMCA safe-habor stuff.

Maybe I'm outing myself as an old, but yes, I remember the Communications Decency Act quite well and know all about the Section 230 safe harbor clause. It was a rather important get in passing the law as it's important to make sure the people actually breaking the law are held accountable not the middlemen who's agnostic tools that were used. Since, you know, that's how it works in the real world as well. And yes, like the real world, if the only use for your tool is illegal or you encouraged illegal behavior with your tool, you lose the safe harbor. Which is why I don't think this will entirely work for AirBnB. Example, there was a site a few years back that did apartment listings that was sued for discrimination because it let you filter on protected categories, they lost their 230 protection because the tool itself was promoting an illegal activity.

E; Also, the DMCA safe harbor clause is only about copyright.

Boot and Rally
Apr 21, 2006

8===D
Nap Ghost

duz posted:

Maybe I'm outing myself as an old, but yes, I remember the Communications Decency Act quite well and know all about the Section 230 safe harbor clause. It was a rather important get in passing the law as it's important to make sure the people actually breaking the law are held accountable not the middlemen who's agnostic tools that were used. Since, you know, that's how it works in the real world as well. And yes, like the real world, if the only use for your tool is illegal or you encouraged illegal behavior with your tool, you lose the safe harbor. Which is why I don't think this will entirely work for AirBnB. Example, there was a site a few years back that did apartment listings that was sued for discrimination because it let you filter on protected categories, they lost their 230 protection because the tool itself was promoting an illegal activity.

E; Also, the DMCA safe harbor clause is only about copyright.

Is there some test for safe harbor that doesn't involve action or inaction on Airbnb's part? Can they lose safe harbor if 99% of their listings are not in compliance? 50%? I think Airbnb may win this one.

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


Xand_Man posted:

The guillotine is too merciful.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006

BLITHERING IDIOT AND HARDCORE DURIAN APOLOGIST. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SHIT DON'T STINK EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I'M SUPER CULTURED.

JamesKPolk posted:

This could ignorance on my part but whats the difference between a decentralized peer to peer network of personal servers... and the internet?

Like it looks like they're trying to build an internet inside the internet.

The core idea is that your computer can farm out work to other computers, and is available for other computers to use for their own work. This is a pretty hot research area and it's one place where Bitcoin-style blockchain/distributed-ledger stuff is actually worth anything - you need some way to exchange credit for work, the proof-of-work component is tied to meaningful computation rather than hashing-for-the-sake-of-hashing, and it's backed by actual computation rather than "sure, I guess you can use this to pay for things that aren't drugs, child pornography, and ransom demands." The end goal of these systems is to create a sort of cloud computing network, but instead of going to Amazon, Microsoft, or Google and saying, "please run this for me, and charge my credit card," you just toss your request out on the Computation Network, with a certain number of work tokens attached, and anybody who wants to pick it up can do so.

Of course, this runs into a lot of issues once you move outside of a university lab into the real world. Besides the problems with just keeping stable communication going, you need to make sure you're not dealing with somebody who says, "the answer's zero, totally did the work, now pay me those tokens" to every request. Proof-of-work and reputation is a big deal, along with some kind of payment system that actually works and doesn't fall into all the traps-at-scale that Bitcoin has shown.

Urbit's spin on this is to throw out a lot of the hard parts and replace it with what is literally a feudal system. In Urbit, you can't just create an address on the system for yourself, because there's a hierarchy of strictly limited addresses. Yarvin and co. have come up with different names for these tiers on both astronomy and naval themes, but it boils down to a limit of 256 "kings", 65k "lords", 4 billion "freemen", and 4 billion slaves per freeman. The fact that there are fewer unique freemen/destroyer/planet-level identities than people on Earth is a feature, not a bug. In this system, if you misbehave, your master exiles you from the network to prevent damage to their own reputation.

In other words, it's the internet Peter Thiel sees when he's alone at night.

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Boot and Rally posted:

Is there some test for safe harbor that doesn't involve action or inaction on Airbnb's part? Can they lose safe harbor if 99% of their listings are not in compliance? 50%? I think Airbnb may win this one.

No, it's (almost) entirely based on their actions, see how Silk Road was treated vs how eBay was. For AirBnB, it's really hard to tell this far in advance how a judge might rule on 230 qualification since it depends on a lot of things, some of which could hurt or help them depending on mood.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
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wateroverfire posted:

Section 230 is a very important piece of law that enables a ton of e-activities. Social media basically couldn't exist without it. The SF city attorney will probably argue (disclaimer: IANAL, may be talking out of my rear end) that AirBNB is not merely a transmission agent because it processes payments, arbitrates disputes, etc. Dunno if that argument would fly or not.

Yeah the linked article goes into why that particular section was very important to how the internet wound up shaped and had a snippet from the more sane folks who ensured it went in. That's their argument, but it hasn't worked previously without good-faith efforts to curb illegal activity.

duz posted:

No, it's (almost) entirely based on their actions, see how Silk Road was treated vs how eBay was. For AirBnB, it's really hard to tell this far in advance how a judge might rule on 230 qualification since it depends on a lot of things, some of which could hurt or help them depending on mood.
It strikes me as more of a legal stall since they could quite reasonably get an injunction against SF continuing their crackdown on airbnb until after the case is resolved. Of course what's funny is all it would delay is fines and airbnb being penalized for facilitating these illegal short term rentals, not the city going after airbnb's users.

Another example of a company dancing pretty heavily with cities and local jurisdictions over their users is Craigslist. They were nearly kicked out of cities like SF for the illegal activities of users. Yeah you'll still see shady stuff there, but they've stepped up moderation and took out flagrant sections like "Adult Employment," and unlike airbnb they weren't getting a cut of the money made from said illegal activities.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


It is worth pointing out that there is an easy way and a hard way for AirBnB to deal with their users not complying to with the short term rental regulations, and despite their protests and lawsuit doing what the new regulations require is the easy way for AirBnB.

The hard way is for the city to file John Doe lawsuits for every single listing and that doesn't have a registration number listed and flood AirBnB with literally tens of thousands of subpoenas.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Shifty Pony posted:

It is worth pointing out that there is an easy way and a hard way for AirBnB to deal with their users not complying to with the short term rental regulations, and despite their protests and lawsuit doing what the new regulations require is the easy way for AirBnB.

But then every jurisdiction would want the company to follow its "laws" and "regulations," and it would just choke the innovation!

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Shifty Pony posted:

It is worth pointing out that there is an easy way and a hard way for AirBnB to deal with their users not complying to with the short term rental regulations, and despite their protests and lawsuit doing what the new regulations require is the easy way for AirBnB.

The hard way is for the city to file John Doe lawsuits for every single listing and that doesn't have a registration number listed and flood AirBnB with literally tens of thousands of subpoenas.

A company like airbnb will decide that it gets to do whatever it wants and will fight tooth and nail to make that a legal reality. Either they'll fail and try again later or win and have the very precedent they helped put on place dick them over in the future. Then they'll challenge it.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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:rip: marissa

quote:

Marissa Mayer addressed the purple elephant in the room immediately after stepping on stage: No, there are no updates about Yahoo's sale process.

Instead, Mayer devoted what may be Yahoo's final annual shareholders meeting as an independent company to making the case that her turnaround efforts were not a complete failure.

"On a personal note, I will say that I've been heartened by the level of interest in Yahoo," Mayer said at the meeting on Thursday, presumably referring to reported acquisition bids from Verizon, AT&T and numerous private equity groups. "It validates our business progress."

The business progress, as she laid it out, includes growing mobile users and revenue throughout her four-year tenure and launching dozens of new product features a year to broaden Yahoo's audience. It also means pushing to cut costs in recent months through layoffs and shutting down more than 100 products.

When pressed by one shareholder on why Yahoo's growth lagged behind competitors, Mayer stressed the "very competitive space" the company operates in.

Analysts and industry watchers aren't as charitable in grading her accomplishments.

"This is about protecting her legacy," says Jan Dawson, a technology analyst with Jackdaw Research. "Yahoo was her chance to run an entire company for the first time and really make her mark in her own right as a CEO. It hasn't gone well."

Mayer, previously a star executive at Google, took over as CEO of Yahoo in mid-2012, kicking off a wave of speculation about whether she could save the slumping Internet company. She enjoyed a two-year honeymoon period with investors, thanks in large part to Wall Street's focus on Yahoo's large stake in Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba, which went public in September 2014.

Since then, Mayer has faced renewed scrutiny for failing to revive Yahoo's declining ad revenue with flashy new tech products and dozens of acquisitions, including the $1.1 billion purchase of Tumblr.

Verizon, AT&T and others are now said to be bidding as much as $5 billion to purchase Yahoo's core Internet business after hedge fund Starboard pushed for a sale and received four seats on the company's board.

"Yahoo's management team and our board are fully aligned with one clear priority: delivering shareholder value to all of you," Mayer said in her opening remarks on Thursday. "We have no announcements today, but we are continuing to make great progress on our process."

It was a far cry from last year's shareholder meeting when Mayer confidently declared that "the best years for the company are still ahead of us."

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
What's her parachute valued at again?

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Over 100 peon-years I belive

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Calling this as the top of the bubble.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
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And yet she's still survived into q4 at least. Gosh that must be nice.


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Jumpingmanjim posted:

Calling this as the top of the bubble.

I'm pretty sure that's fake, but just the fact I'm not 100% sure probably still proves your point.

Coolness Averted fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jul 1, 2016

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Calling this as the top of the bubble.
Nah I don't think they're trying to pretend it's a business, they're just rich people buying something for themselves. It's more like "This is the 0.1%"

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Job Function: Management

Does that mean there's a staff? Or is it we are going to gently caress you out of over time.

asdf32
May 15, 2010

I lust for childrens' deaths. Ask me about how I don't care if my kids die.
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/06/teslas-autopilot-being-investigated-by-the-government-in-a-fatal-crash/

quote:

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is about to take a closer look at Tesla's Autopilot, the company revealed on Thursday. In a blog post, Tesla says that it learned on Wednesday evening that the NHTSA is "opening a preliminary evaluation into the performance of Autopilot" following a fatal crash involving a Model S.

The incident, which happened in May, involved a white tractor-trailer that was turning left across a divided highway, perpendicular to the path of the Tesla, which was cruising on Autopilot. "Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied. The high ride height of the trailer combined with its positioning across the road and the extremely rare circumstances of the impact caused the Model S to pass under the trailer, with the bottom of the trailer impacting the windshield of the Model S," Tesla stated.

The company also stated that in a front-on or rear-end collision with the tractor-trailer, the outcome would not have ended in tragedy. It described the driver as "a friend to Tesla and the broader EV community" and expressed sympathy for his friends and family for their loss.

Although Tesla's Autopilot is one of the very best semi-autonomous driving systems on the market, it is not designed for "eyes-off" driving, and owners should be as vigilant on the roads as they would be in any other vehicle.

e_angst
Sep 20, 2001

by exmarx

BrandorKP posted:

Job Function: Management

Does that mean there's a staff? Or is it we are going to gently caress you out of over time.

Traditionally chefs are managing a kitchen. This is probably fake, but if you have experience at a restaurant with a Michelin star you're getting the type of chef jobs that have at least a few cooks working under you, if not a large kitchen staff.

archangelwar
Oct 28, 2004

Teaching Moments

Munkeymon posted:

They're still around?!

Spolsky taught me how to make the perfect espresso :colbert:

Was at the exchange office tho so not sure about fog creek

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Yet they keep giving me poo poo when I say self-driving cars aren't 'right around the corner'.

Basic little gently caress-ups that would be 'just patch it' inconveniences in a PC are life or death in a moving car.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

quote:

"Yahoo's management team and our board are fully aligned with one clear priority: delivering shareholder value to all of you," Mayer said in her opening remarks on Thursday. "We have no announcements today, but we are continuing to make great progress on our process."
What a spectacular sentence. Continuing to make great progress on our process. It is almost insultingly barren of information. Only a CEO in a modern American corporation (and politicians) can say something like that, to serious people, over a serious issue, involving serious money, and be taken seriously. Imagine that in other careers.

You ask your doctor how well the chemo is attacking your tumor?
We are continuing to make great progress on our process.

You ask your mechanic if the car will be finished before closing time?
We are continuing to make great progress on our process.

You ask your kids teacher if his 5 paragraph essays have gotten any better this semester?
We are continuing to make great progress on our process.

But when you are heading a multi billion dollar corporation? Sure, why not!

A semi-autonomous driving system seems like almost the worst compromise of all. Not smart or good enough to let you really ignore the driving completely, but good enough that you can get increasingly lax about paying attention and get away with it until it plows you into a car the same color as the sky behind it. No thanks.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



archangelwar posted:

Spolsky taught me how to make the perfect espresso :colbert:

Was at the exchange office tho so not sure about fog creek

Yeah, I meant Fog Creek. Haven't heard about their bug tracker(?) written in a bespoke, artisanal VB knockoff (:barf:) in about a decade, so I figured they went under.

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Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Tech company gonna tech: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bookmark/facebook-tell-all-policing-female-907866

Apparently they explicitly told women not to wear distracting clothing. Because brogrammers are unironically pigs.

Pochoclo posted:

Can't blame people for their voice but jesus christ that's a whole lot of stupid bullshit she's spouting. If I said like a hundredth of that poo poo in a job interview I'd get a boot up my rear end, why do rich people think it's a good idea to give lots of money to people like this?
Because she's an attractive Stanford alum.

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Jul 1, 2016

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