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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Maybe the humans win because they have the right type of mind to immediately see the coring machine and think "they should use that to scrape the whole planet if they wanted to murder everyone more efficiently" Given the psychic stuff and how in the first movie there's this whole almost ritual about blowing up cities at the same time, I always thought there was some kind of religious or cultural purpose to taking it slow. Sort of like Predator except a million times bigger.
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Jun 28, 2016 06:51
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Roadie posted:Given the psychic stuff and how in the first movie there's this whole almost ritual about blowing up cities at the same time, I always thought there was some kind of religious or cultural purpose to taking it slow. Religion is the only way an alien invasion makes any sense, in any movie. Any species capable of interstellar travel would be more than capable of gathering all the resources they need from uninhabited planets, moons and asteroids. They wouldn't have to go through the trouble of killing off civilizations to take their resources.
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Jun 28, 2016 07:39
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MrSmokes posted:Religion is the only way an alien invasion makes any sense, in any movie. Any species capable of interstellar travel would be more than capable of gathering all the resources they need from uninhabited planets, moons and asteroids. They wouldn't have to go through the trouble of killing off civilizations to take their resources. What if their ships' engines are powered by the souls of sentient beings?
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Jun 28, 2016 08:29
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MrSmokes posted:Religion is the only way an alien invasion makes any sense, in any movie. Any species capable of interstellar travel would be more than capable of gathering all the resources they need from uninhabited planets, moons and asteroids. They wouldn't have to go through the trouble of killing off civilizations to take their resources. I mean yeah I'm being facetious, and I get your point, but I'm real confident that spacefaring civilizations could find ample reasons to hate and murder each other.
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Jun 28, 2016 08:51
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The aliens are businessmanalienthings. They want to kill any other intelligent life to prevent competition, but they also want the core of rocky worlds. Sending some hyper-kinetic rounds would mean you have to collect all that metal compared to just sucking up it all in one convenient ball. The aliens attack plan was dictated by the needs of the lowest bidder to eat a planet the cheapest way possible. They could just consider planet destroying just part of a game to play - when you're an million year old alien queen seeing the ants scurry around is amusing. A real life RTS without any actual threat that plays a different strategy than the drones AI normally does.
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Jun 28, 2016 10:45
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I agree. For all we know, these aliens are operating out of some religious calling like the Necromongers. The military conquest could be some ritual purging; after all, why bother when the harvester can hoover up a planet's chewy center and be done with it? People wondered why there were still gas powered beaters if we reverse engineered their tech. Keep in mind the population was devastated; the ability to capitalize on the tech globally would take longer then a few decades. It also makes sense the primary application would be planetary defense instead of hover station wagons. But I wouldn't be surprised if large scale fusion power was present or at least in the works- it's much easier to broker peace if energy becomes incredibly cheap and easy to distribute. Fossil fuels would still function as a stop gap given that it would take a while for the new tech to truly propagate on an earth with devastated infrastructure. For all we know the reason humanity bounced back so fast in twenty years was because of the alien tech.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:42
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Do they every explain why Earth's ships don't have shields? It seemed like such a huge plot hole to me while watching the movie, and I didn't catch anyone say anything about it.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:01
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Kingtheninja posted:Do they every explain why Earth's ships don't have shields? It seemed like such a huge plot hole to me while watching the movie, and I didn't catch anyone say anything about it. If they did I missed it as well. Literally nothing on Earth had those shields but they had the technology to create them. You would think Cheyenne Mountain would have had one at least.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:05
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Earth had shields when they did that trap thing, it was on portable army trucks and hilariously killed some earth fighters when it went up.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:18
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There was also a shield around area 51 or whatever it was, they had to disable it to use it with the trap. Maybe they only just figured out how to use it :/
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Jun 28, 2016 22:56
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MrSmokes posted:Religion is the only way an alien invasion makes any sense, in any movie. Any species capable of interstellar travel would be more than capable of gathering all the resources they need from uninhabited planets, moons and asteroids. They wouldn't have to go through the trouble of killing off civilizations to take their resources. Maybe potable water is absurdly rare in the universe, like in that remake of Battlestar Galatica, and they also never developed any of the technologies that would allow them to make it from Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms or whatever, and as a result of that the most efficient way to find water is to track down interstellar emissions from technologically advanced sentient species and kill them to take their world's water, because otherwise you're just groping blindly in a mostly waterless universe and hoping you'll find some. ...I dunno, I'm just making poo poo up here.
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Jun 29, 2016 03:35
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Why didn't they just attack Europa instead then?
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Sanguinia posted:Maybe potable water is absurdly rare in the universe, like in that remake of Battlestar Galatica, and they also never developed any of the technologies that would allow them to make it from Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms or whatever, and as a result of that the most efficient way to find water is to track down interstellar emissions from technologically advanced sentient species and kill them to take their world's water, because otherwise you're just groping blindly in a mostly waterless universe and hoping you'll find some. There's also the Anvil of God explanation: the aliens interpret any sentient species as an existential threat to their own survival so they set out to do unto others before others can do unto them. And indeed this might even be a rational approach because any species sophisticated enough for FTL travel is sophisticated enough to destroy a planet.
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Jun 29, 2016 04:07
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THORIUM posted:Why didn't they just attack Europa instead then? Next on the list, naturally. It doesn't have a sentient species sending radio into space to alert them it's there, so they came for Earth not knowing it was there. Europa is like the Space Water equivalent of finding a winning lottery ticket when you were on your way to pick up your paycheck. Cythereal posted:There's also the Anvil of God explanation: the aliens interpret any sentient species as an existential threat to their own survival so they set out to do unto others before others can do unto them. And indeed this might even be a rational approach because any species sophisticated enough for FTL travel is sophisticated enough to destroy a planet. Well, President Pullman implied pretty strongly in the first movie that consumption of natural resources was their primary motivator. Water was just the only resources I could think of that might be rare enough that they couldn't just get it on any uninhabited world and also could theoretically be found most efficiently by hunting, and thereby necessarily killing, sentient races.
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Jun 29, 2016 04:28
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Cythereal posted:There's also the Anvil of God explanation: the aliens interpret any sentient species as an existential threat to their own survival so they set out to do unto others before others can do unto them. And indeed this might even be a rational approach because any species sophisticated enough for FTL travel is sophisticated enough to destroy a planet. Humans can't go much faster than the sound barrier and they're already doing a fine job of destroying a planet. 
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Jun 29, 2016 04:32
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One of my few dissappointments with the movie was the way the future alien tech jet fighters looked. The big poo poo was cool enough so that's fine, but man those fighter things. Why couldn't they have just kept the original ship design from the original movie? I'm sure there were gazillions of them still inside of those city ships in hangars or parts for some. The design hadn't changed significantly from the Roswell crash in 1947 to 1996 (49 years) so why did it have to make such a stupid change in 20 years? If you explain it away as that's their best reproduction of the alien ships that's cool, and I guess they couldn't power the original ships without the mothership in orbit I think so there's that too.
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Jun 29, 2016 05:11
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Sanguinia posted:Well, President Pullman implied pretty strongly in the first movie that consumption of natural resources was their primary motivator. Water was just the only resources I could think of that might be rare enough that they couldn't just get it on any uninhabited world and also could theoretically be found most efficiently by hunting, and thereby necessarily killing, sentient races. Problem is, water just isn't that rare. The rest of space is full of materials that we think of as rare on Earth, as well. And we're finding tons of planets nearby full of crazy stuff. Now most of these discoveries are pretty recent, so I'm not going to blame the original film for the faults, but since they retconned why the aliens were here in the first place, they should have just gone with the Anvil of God explanation of getting rid of any potential competition. That's really the only good reason for aliens to bother blowing poo poo up on Earth in the first place. There's also the "harvesting humans for food" reason but the Twilight Zone episode did that well enough that it's become a pop culture joke.
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Jun 29, 2016 13:53
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Detective No. 27 posted:Humans can't go much faster than the sound barrier and they're already doing a fine job of destroying a planet. Now I'm picturing you as Jeff Goldblum, half drunk, throwing Coke cans and flipping garbage cans because the President decided to try and nuke an alien ship over Houston.
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Jun 29, 2016 15:46
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thedaian posted:Problem is, water just isn't that rare. The rest of space is full of materials that we think of as rare on Earth, as well. And we're finding tons of planets nearby full of crazy stuff. "Cracking planets open to get at all the tasty iron inside" actually makes a fair bit of sense for an aggressive hegemonizing swarm with that kind of tech, if you chalk up it being inhabited planets specifically as a religious thing or whatever. Planets like Mercury/Venus/Earth/Mars would be the fastest way to get a huge amount of easily processed iron at once, and they must need absurd amounts of metal to make ships a significant fraction of the size of a planet.
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Jun 29, 2016 20:06
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Goldbloom's father should be named Fagen Shylockberg.
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Huh. In this vid where they're shooting the end of the movie if you look way to the right it looks like Vivica Fox's character is alive and well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKJlCeFA77k&t=18s
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Jun 29, 2016 20:48
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clown shoes posted:Was that really Robert Loggia?
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Xenomrph posted:Yes it was. I wonder when they filmed his scene? He must have died not long after.
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Something I didn't realize until I looked it up on IMDb was that Dr Isaacs was actually a returning character from the first movie, played by the same actor. Apparently he only has dialogue in the extended cut of the first movie, but he is present as an Area51 scientist.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:02
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mcmagic posted:Goldbloom's father should be named Fagen Shylockberg. Heebie Kikeberger
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Jun 29, 2016 22:09
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Did not care for the original but this is a very well done pulp action silly flick. Goldblum, Spiner and Hersch are all at the top of their game and clearly having a load of fun. A legitimately great Roland Emmerich film is one of the signs of the apocalypse, right?
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precision posted:Did not care for the original but this is a very well done pulp action silly flick. Goldblum, Spiner and Hersch are all at the top of their game and clearly having a load of fun. White House Down came out a few years back and we're all still alive, so I don't think so.
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Perhaps the most fantastical element of this movie was that they rebuilt the White House exactly as it was instead of pulling some One World Trade Center bullshit.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Perhaps the most fantastical element of this movie was that they rebuilt the White House exactly as it was instead of pulling some One World Trade Center bullshit. It (and the Capitol building) is actually a little different. I think one of the things that really shocked me was that they didn't destroy it again. Like they even give you a fakeout where you think it's going to get bulldozed wholesale by the harvester's landing leg, but nope.
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Xenomrph posted:It (and the Capitol building) is actually a little different. American culture has shifted in its appetites for what landmarks they do and don't like watching be destroyed in the last 20 years.
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This was okay, I enjoyed it well enough. Smart move making Goldblum a major role.
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The best part of this film are the numerous people talking about the next film. Come the gently caress on.
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Well there were clearly hooks and plans in place for a sequel on the expectation this one would do pretty well i.e. even a fraction of how well Jurassic World did would be pretty good money. Obviously it's under performing which makes the possibility of a sequel a bit doubtful.
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Rhyno posted:The best part of this film are the numerous people talking about the next film. Oh yeah. This franchise ain't getting another and I doubt Emmrich is getting to make his stupid moon movie. Good. Imo
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Detective No. 27 posted:Perhaps the most fantastical element of this movie was that they rebuilt the White House exactly as it was instead of pulling some One World Trade Center bullshit. I was surprised to see the London Bridge & the Eiffel Tower were still around and didn't look like they had been rebuilt. Did the aliens not bother with Europe in 96?
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Hobo Clown posted:I was surprised to see the London Bridge & the Eiffel Tower were still around and didn't look like they had been rebuilt. Did the aliens not bother with Europe in 96? I'm pretty confident both of those got blown up and rebuilt, the "news footage" montage of the city destroyers settling in in the first movie showed them over Paris and London if I remember right.
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Hobo Clown posted:I was surprised to see the London Bridge & the Eiffel Tower were still around and didn't look like they had been rebuilt. Did the aliens not bother with Europe in 96? Emmerich didn't bother with London in 96. This was his chance.
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Went in with low expectations for an Independence Day sequel and walked out with a pretty okay Starship Troopers prequel. Also weird to have a movie be progressive enough to show a cliche heroic action movie good-bye scene between two gay men, but also a movie that bafflingly invents a white character to take away the leading man role and white girlfriend that should probably go to Will Smith's son. Don't even know where I stand on depictions of Africa. Two things I loved: The portrait of Will Smith in the White House is just straight up a blown up Independence Day trading card. I don't event think it's painted. Independence Day Truthers.
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