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Which non-Power of the Daleks story would you like to see an episode found from? This poll is closed. |
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| Marco Polo |
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36 | 20.69% |
| The Myth Makers |
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10 | 5.75% |
| The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve |
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45 | 25.86% |
| The Savages |
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2 | 1.15% |
| The Smugglers |
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2 | 1.15% |
| The Highlanders |
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45 | 25.86% |
| The Macra Terror |
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21 | 12.07% |
| Fury from the Deep |
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13 | 7.47% |
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The_Doctor posted:Big Finish are adapting Lance Parkin's Cold Fusion! This is so rad! I haven't read it in years but I remember it being very good. It's so cool that we're at a place where something like this can happen, with all these original cast members.
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CobiWann posted:It causes J-Ru to jump off a roof sometimes. Screaming,"DADDY!" all the way.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:21
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Jerusalem posted:Screaming,"DADDY!" all the way. https://twitter.com/MaraWritesStuff/status/573551043570712576 (Mara is amazing  )
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Jul 3, 2016 00:20
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Oh hey, Mara Wilson grew up? And without going off the rails like so many other child stars do, good for her!
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Jul 3, 2016 00:26
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Jerusalem posted:Oh hey, Mara Wilson grew up? And without going off the rails like so many other child stars do, good for her! Well, she did become a faceless old woman who secretly lives in your home. Also, turns out she's bisexual, which wasn't obvious from the fact that literally everyone else involved in Night Vale is as queer as a lemonade sandwich.
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Jul 3, 2016 00:31
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I think Cranor's straight.
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Jul 3, 2016 00:32
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A few days ago I found Earthshock and Ghost Light on DVD in CEX. Watched them both through. I was expecting people's opinions of Adric to be a bit of an exaggeration but no, he was immediately annoying and never got any better than 'not actively irritating at this moment'. Other than the final scene I didn't think it was too great, even ignoring the
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Jul 3, 2016 16:10
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Ghost Light is very dense, and you can't really half arse watching it - got to pay attention. I like the non-Cybermen bits of Earthshock (ie the first episode)
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Jul 3, 2016 16:19
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I don't know if Ghost Light works even if you do know what's happening, but it's still more interesting than a lot of classic Who.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:39
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I don't know if Ghost Light works even if you do know what's happening, but it's still more interesting than a lot of classic Who. One of the best Doctor Who stories is one the best Doctor Who stories, indeed!
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Jul 3, 2016 16:53
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Dabir posted:Weird poo poo shows up and everyone's just immediately super familiar with it, like when Light first appears and Ace just goes "it's an angel, stupid". Ace is supposed to immediately recognize him as an angel though because Light appeared to prehistoric man and shaped their image of otherworldly beings. The idea isn't that Ace knows what he is, it's that his appearance is burned so deeply into our minds as angelic that she doesn't even have to think about it. She knows he's an angel. Of course what Light really is, is a metaphor for creationism because Ghost Light is dripping with subtext.
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Jul 3, 2016 17:56
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It's the same as Kosh in The Fall of Night
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Jul 3, 2016 19:02
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It's the same as Kosh in The Fall of Night "I saw.. nothing."
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Jul 3, 2016 20:26
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Series 2,3,4 of that are so fantastic (1 and 5 also have their moments)
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Jul 3, 2016 20:29
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Series 2,3,4 of that are so fantastic (1 and 5 also have their moments) I realise that this is by far the least controversial opinion I have posted in this thread
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Jul 3, 2016 20:29
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Chairman Mao posted:Ace is supposed to immediately recognize him as an angel though because Light appeared to prehistoric man and shaped their image of otherworldly beings. The idea isn't that Ace knows what he is, it's that his appearance is burned so deeply into our minds as angelic that she doesn't even have to think about it. She knows he's an angel. This was not conveyed at all.
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Jul 3, 2016 21:19
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Dabir posted:This was not conveyed at all. No, nothing in Ghost Light is terribly explicit, but we can sort of piece together a rough series of events. In part 3 we discover that Light arrived on earth to catalog of all the species there, and we find out that he made himself known to, or was discovered by Nimrod's people who worshipped him as "the burning one". We are left to infer that this is meant to be an explanation as to why Ace immediately recognizes him as an angel, but I don't think it's a huge leap of logic to assume that if someone successfully sets themselves up as god it's going to leave a lasting mark on history. Edit: I mean that's the kind of thing that makes Ghost Light a little impenetrable the first time you see it, and has given it its reputation for being confusing. It's the kind of story that expects you to connect that Light was an ancient god whose story was told and retold in something resembling a millennia long game of telephone, whose imagery was maybe adopted by more modern religions to make conquered and converted people more willing to accept a new faith. Or at the very least, expects you to be familiar enough with the "angels are really ancient aliens" trope to spot it when it's being used. Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Jul 3, 2016 22:49
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Well Nimrod was a Neanderthal, weren't they replaced by humans rather than being our ancestors?
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Jul 3, 2016 23:32
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Dabir posted:Well Nimrod was a Neanderthal, weren't they replaced by humans rather than being our ancestors? Yeah we out-evolved them but there was probably a time when homo-sapiens and neanderthal man co-existed. Like you said, it's not that neanderthals evolved into modern man, more like they were a parallel path that our evolution took, unfortunately for them it was basically an evolutionary dead end since homo-sapiens were able to hunt and fight better. No idea whether we talked or hung out with them but it's not like we didn't have the opportunity.
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Jul 3, 2016 23:48
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Chairman Mao posted:No idea whether we talked or hung out with them but it's not like we didn't have the opportunity. "Who was it that said 'mankind never invites their ancestors to tea'?" it was Douglas Adams
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Jul 4, 2016 00:08
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"Ghost Light" is baffling in all the best ways. I love it so much.
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Jul 4, 2016 00:19
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Light was a bit of a let down but the whole thing is so earnestly weird that I can't help but love the story.
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Jul 4, 2016 00:39
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Ghost Light is one of my favorite Doctor Who stories because it's one of the only times the show doesn't hold your hand and explain what's been happening the whole time. You really are expected to put all of the pieces of the puzzle together by yourself and they're all out of order and some of them are missing.
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Jul 4, 2016 01:08
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I remember hearing that it was originally meant to have an extra episode but they had to cut it down so just about every bit of exposition and context got taken out
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Jul 4, 2016 01:21
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Ghost Light is one of the few episodes where the Target novelization is advisable reading. The episode's writer, Marc Platt (who went on to do a shitload of Big Finish audios including a little thing called Spare Parts), did the novelization himself and greatly expanded the story, probably to what it was supposed to be. I had the advantage of reading it before seeing the episode so it made a lot of sense to me. A very gothic DW story.
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Jul 4, 2016 01:48
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The wikipedia entry for Black Orchid doesn't even mention cricket once, what is this
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Jul 4, 2016 01:49
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The wikipedia entry for Black Orchid doesn't even mention cricket once, what is this This legit makes me unreasonably angry.
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Jul 4, 2016 02:22
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2house2fly posted:I remember hearing that it was originally meant to have an extra episode but they had to cut it down so just about every bit of exposition and context got taken out Ghost Light has maybe an extra 7 - 10 minutes of extra content that was cut for time and while it does help the story's cohesion somewhat (those glowy eyes everything seems to have? spy cameras set up by Josiah!) the bulk of the missing exposition never even made it to the script. The story was apparently about Gallifrey originally, and elements of it would later inspire the novel Lungbarrow, though how much either of these finished products resembles their shared progenitor is probably something only Marc Platt and a handful of other people really know for sure. I wonder how much of Ghost Light's ambiguity is the result of such extensive rewriting that a lot of the backstory behind events didn't really exist in a cohesive, satisfying form at the time it was written, which is why we're left with little more than vague references and throwaway lines to keep track of what's going on. It would certainly explain why Control and Josiah seem to be some kind of evolutionary experiment when Light is baffled and terrified by evolution, if their purpose was defined in an earlier draft of the script and then omitted because it didn't make sense anymore. All that aside, Doctor Who couldn't have been cancelled at a worse time. The final season really shows something new and interesting emerging from the bloated corpse of 80s Doctor Who, fresh blood with brilliant new ideas. It's a loving pity we didn't get more TV scripts from Platt.
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Jul 4, 2016 02:25
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Chairman Mao posted:All that aside, Doctor Who couldn't have been cancelled at a worse time. The final season really shows something new and interesting emerging from the bloated corpse of 80s Doctor Who, fresh blood with brilliant new ideas. Seriously, regardless of who or what was to blame, the show was REALLY going downhill and then it started to show a marked improvement. It was far from perfect and had a long way to go, and there were worrying things they wanted to bring in (loving Looms for gently caress's sake) but overall the show was going in a really fascinating direction and it's a pity we didn't get to see at least another couple of years of McCoy before they pulled the plug. Still, things ended up working out pretty well for everybody!
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Jul 4, 2016 02:30
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Jerusalem posted:Still, things ended up working out pretty well for everybody! Well, I mean, Sophie Aldred didn't get a regular acting gig again for like 20 years but sure.
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Jul 4, 2016 02:54
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Jerusalem posted:Light was a bit of a let down but the whole thing is so earnestly weird that I can't help but love the story. It's also some of the best writing for and performance from Sylvester. And Sophie looked dapper as gently caress in that dinner jacket.
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Jul 4, 2016 02:57
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Chairman Mao posted:Well, I mean, Sophie Aldred didn't get a regular acting gig again for like 20 years but sure. Yes, but she DID eventually get work again!  Also it might not have been glamorous, but she worked pretty regularly through the 90s on kids' tv, right? Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Jul 4, 2016 04:30
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Jerusalem posted:Also it might not have been glamorous, but she worked pretty regularly through the 90s on kids' tv, right? I don't know a thing about this but I'm just going to assume it was mostly dynamiting the sets on live TV.
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Jul 4, 2016 05:39
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Gaz-L posted:It's also some of the best writing for and performance from Sylvester. And Sophie looked dapper as gently caress in that dinner jacket. For those keeping score, we refer to that episode 'round these parts as "Chloroform Girlfriend." Coming on heels of "Pyromaniac Girlfriend" and just before "'That's Your Grandma, Dude' Girlfriend" and finally finishing off with "Cheetah Girlfriend", it is one hell of a season.
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Jul 4, 2016 06:05
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Jerusalem posted:(loving Looms for gently caress's sake) As far as I'm aware, the Looms stuff had already essentially been considered and dropped from the TV programme (which was part of the reason why Lungbarrow became Ghost Light)
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Jul 4, 2016 11:02
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Good  The "Other" stuff too.
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Jul 4, 2016 11:26
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MrL_JaKiri posted:As far as I'm aware, the Looms stuff had already essentially been considered and dropped from the TV programme (which was part of the reason why Lungbarrow became Ghost Light) I might be misremembering, but I think dropping the Looms and other in-depth exploration of the Doctor and Gallifrey's past was John Nathan-Turner's call, and if they had got a new producer for Season 28 (as they probably would have, since JNT had been anxious to leave for a good while), all that could have been put back on the table, since Cartmel, Aaronovitch and Platt would all have probably stayed on and they cooked most of that stuff up in the first place. This is obviously beyond speculation, though, so who knows.
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Jul 4, 2016 11:38
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If you don't like Minnie the Mini Magician, you are dead inside
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Jul 4, 2016 14:01
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Trin Tragula posted:If you don't like Minnie the Mini Magician, you are dead inside Oh my god Zzaap. Huh, for ages, I was convinced Cuthbert Lilly was Julian Bleach/Davros. I see that this is not the case.
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Jul 4, 2016 14:15
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Forktoss posted:I might be misremembering, but I think dropping the Looms and other in-depth exploration of the Doctor and Gallifrey's past was John Nathan-Turner's call, and if they had got a new producer for Season 28 (as they probably would have, since JNT had been anxious to leave for a good while), all that could have been put back on the table, since Cartmel, Aaronovitch and Platt would all have probably stayed on and they cooked most of that stuff up in the first place. This is obviously beyond speculation, though, so who knows. I'm pretty sure that looms weren't even conceived of in the TV era and that they came about because of a strong push by the New Adventures writers to make The Doctor a completely asexual being, and unless I'm also misremembering The Other wasn't The Doctor in those early versions of the story, so neither of the things that people found particularly egregious about Lungbarrow probably wouldn't ever have existed if the show had stayed on the air.
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