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ToastyPotato posted:I think Spider-Man: TAS can best be described as "sloppy as gently caress." The show is weird, and often poorly animated and poorly drawn. I remember it being a loud show for some reason as well, at least compared to the DC stuff and even the X-Men cartoon. It just felt like there was always some blaring music in the background, but that could just be faded memories since I haven't seriously watched that show in probably 20 years. That said, I did watch the poo poo out of it, just like X-Men. And it was definitely better than Iron Man and Fantastic Four for the most part, though both of those improved in their second season (not by too much.) BTAS is obviously the best super hero show from that era, but I frequently forget Iron Man and Fantastic Four even existed so Spider-Man and X-Men definitely have a leg up on those two.
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Skwirl posted:BTAS is obviously the best super hero show from that era, but I frequently forget Iron Man and Fantastic Four even existed so Spider-Man and X-Men definitely have a leg up on those two. In my area, I think they were only shown on UPN, primarily on Sundays, as opposed to Saturdays. Hulk included. It could have been WPIX as well, or a mixture of both. So they didn't have the benefit of being a FOX Kids show or part of any major network Saturday morning line up.
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ToastyPotato posted:In my area, I think they were only shown on UPN, primarily on Sundays, as opposed to Saturdays. Hulk included. It could have been WPIX as well, or a mixture of both. So they didn't have the benefit of being a FOX Kids show or part of any major network Saturday morning line up. I watched most of Spider-Man and X-Men as they came out and literally didn't know those other shows existed as until I was an adult, when I see clips they seem like elaborate jokes to me.
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NikkolasKing posted:wisecracking and cheerful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTURd1GYJSI&t=70s
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The Symbiote's true power is making anyone who wears it a huge ham. All the retcons are so weird, though. Like, I watched cartoons before I ever read a comic. So in X:TAS I had Jean being possessed by a cosmic entity known as Phoenix. Then I learn later that no, Phoenix was originally just Jean. And Black Suit Spiderman? I've been told it didn't originally have any properties that a Symbiote should have like making the already superhuman Peter even stronger. So many things in comics that I take as givens were later fabrications or retcons.
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God I should just watch the whole show again, the suit makes peter violent and poo poo... but he's still not allowed to punch, so Violent Spider-man resorts to bear hugs. I love, love the dramatic music kicking in and getting mixed up when Peter says "the check's in the mail, baby!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anDPNTqRgdg Just the scale, how characters get from one point to the other, how characters wind up in impossible places, animation just being drastically different in a few shots
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:God I should just watch the whole show again, the suit makes peter violent and poo poo... but he's still not allowed to punch, so Violent Spider-man resorts to bear hugs. I love, love the dramatic music kicking in and getting mixed up when Peter says "the check's in the mail, baby!" If Spider-Man had been allowed to be as violent as Batman it would be pretty close in quality.
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I don't think throwing a punch would've fixed the fact that Kingpin punched Spider-man thirty episodes into the past in that clip tho.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:God I should just watch the whole show again, the suit makes peter violent and poo poo... but he's still not allowed to punch, so Violent Spider-man resorts to bear hugs. I love, love the dramatic music kicking in and getting mixed up when Peter says "the check's in the mail, baby!" That was just unpleasant to watch... I LOVED TAS but...wow...
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ThermoPhysical posted:That was just unpleasant to watch... I LOVED TAS but...wow... The voice acting really saves that show from it's animation and writing, yes it's over the top, but it's loving memorable.
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Daredevil manages to have a flashback triggered by the words Kingpin says in his own flashback.
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Aphrodite posted:Daredevil manages to have a flashback triggered by the words Kingpin says in his own flashback. I don't remember that, but that sounds like something done on purpose to get the exposition out of the way quicker.
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It happens at 1:10 in that clip above.
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Skwirl posted:BTAS is obviously the best super hero show from that era, but I frequently forget Iron Man and Fantastic Four even existed so Spider-Man and X-Men definitely have a leg up on those two. They also aired a few years earlier than X-men, Batman and Spider-man. Skwirl posted:If Spider-Man had been allowed to be as violent as Batman it would be pretty close in quality. The show had a lot of animation and editing problems. Every piece of dialogue seemed to have any sense of timing or natural pauses edited out so that you would always be getting noise or action, so kids would never get bored during a lull and flip the channel. It made the show feel like a fever dream at times. It had really good voice acting and some good takes on characters, but it's lost among the larger flaws of the show. The censorship got really stupid once Carnage showed up and wasn't allowed to kill anyone so he had "energy draining powers". Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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The fantastic four show was abysmal. I gave it a watch last summer and it was one of those that's fun to watch because it's so bad. It has animation and va like this http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3v0pmt Which is something the spidey talk reminded me of, a vhs tape I owned as a kid that had a short showing the origin story, this and i think one other short i cant remember.
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I think you're getting your FF shows confused. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_gu4pfFeLQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggH5-vLlUQ&t=3s
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Aphrodite posted:Daredevil manages to have a flashback triggered by the words Kingpin says in his own flashback. Said Flashback was also by the Chameleon in disguise.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Said Flashback was also by the Chameleon in disguise. No, that was the Kingpin, they made the switch when he went down to leave using the helicopter.
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90s Spider-man really gives the feeling of reading a comic book back in the days before narratives in comics got all decompressed. Spider-man talks at a mile a minute, because talking is a free action and the writer keeps trying to shove as many words into the panel as possible.
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SlothfulCobra posted:90s Spider-man really gives the feeling of reading a comic book back in the days before narratives in comics got all decompressed. Spider-man talks at a mile a minute, because talking is a free action and the writer keeps trying to shove as many words into the panel as possible. That's an excellent observation and may very well be why I loved it so much. I read comic books mostly to...ya know, read. I'm just not that interested in the art. If it's offensively bad, that can be a problem but most of the time I just read speech bubbles. I similarly never cared about the censorship or animation problems in Spidey TAS.
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Fantastic Four and Iron Man were great because of the insane Stan Lee intros. Even when they went into maudlin melodrama Stan kept up his bombastic carnival barker narration.
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I like to imagine that this episode is 100% canon and that Magneto is just a very strange drunk.
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drat you, Brave and the Bold! Bwanna Beast...
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I think my favorite thing about the 90s Spider-Man is their Green Goblin. I can still hear his ridiculous dumb-gently caress laugh.
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The cartoon had the best loving origin for Green Goblin. Norman Osborn created the Hobgoblin to try to get out from under Wilson Fisk's thumb, but quickly lost control of him. So eventually this goblin gas gets loose in his lab, where he kept hobgoblin's spare gear, gets in his brain and then the gas transforms the hobgoblin costume into a green goblin costume, so the now-insane Norman is like "Yeah that makes sense" and puts it on.
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This is either the best or the worst thing from the 90's FF cartoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38VBv0ZenZU
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ZDar Fan posted:This is either the best or the worst thing from the 90's FF cartoon I love how Mr. Fantastic blocks people from escaping the building at the end of the video.
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ZDar Fan posted:This is either the best or the worst thing from the 90's FF cartoon This is magic
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ZDar Fan posted:This is either the best or the worst thing from the 90's FF cartoon oh my god 
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Lurdiak posted:I think you're getting your FF shows confused. This sounds like background music to a corporate motivation preso and the animation is so grossly wobbly and overanimated. Like it's kind of unsettling to watch the FF cartoon from the 90s because of its animation.
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ZDar Fan posted:This is either the best or the worst thing from the 90's FF cartoon Am I missing some kind of joke? Did this actually air? This is REAL?!!!???!?!? I'll feel foolish if this is some internet bullshit that I'm too out of touch to have seen before, but if this is real, what the gently caress is the context for this?
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site posted:The fantastic four show was abysmal. I gave it a watch last summer and it was one of those that's fun to watch because it's so bad. It has animation and va like this The first seasons of both were really amazingly terrible. Just the flat-out incompetence and awfulness that we've been posting this entire page. However there was a big changeover and the second season of each show was actually pretty good. Iron Man was written with a heavy emphasis on the themes of obsession, mental illness, and isolation, and even pulled off a bit of Demon in a Bottle. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtlwbv_iron-man-the-beast-within-1994-s02-e01-full_shortfilms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpnt5BAhlY Fantastic Four just went balls out with it's adaptation of the craziest comic book nonsense imaginable, including a GALACTUS vs EGO THE LIVING PLANET battle and capping it off with Ghost Rider using Penance Stare on GALACTUS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amUJOeuxpXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx8ob0BAkOs It's too bad they couldn't get a Season 2 theme song as memorable as Iron Man's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaBTW9IHhLQ Assepoester fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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To give a bit more detail: FF went full bore into the family side of the team in the first season, basically making it a wacky sitcom that occasionally had Doctor Doom show up and try to launch the Baxter Building into space. The FF had a shrill landlady with a dog she pampered and she was constantly trying to catch Reed out doing 'noisy' or 'smelly' experiments. Iron Man, for some bizarre reason, wasn't really an Iron Man cartoon in the first season, but a Force Works series. Because kids love Century and Scarlet Witch as a stereotypical 'sexy gypsy fortune teller', right? On the other hand, they did end up keeping War Machine for both seasons (voiced by James 'Shredder/Uncle Phil' Avery) and the Julia Carpenter Spider-Woman, filling in for Pepper Potts.
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The FF cartoon also had Simon Templeman voicing Doom, and it was magnificent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi86yeXB9pI
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This video never fails to make me laugh "Do you dare face the agony of those you have... slain?" "Feel the torment of a billion billion extinguished souls. Experience the pain... of eternal guilt." Those awkward pauses are great.
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Ghost Rider is totally one outrageous dude. He's totally in my face!
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I like that Capcom generally stuck with the 90's voice actors whenever possible. Marvel vs. Capcom 3 came out like 15 years after Ghost Rider showed up in a FF cartoon barely anyone watched, and yet they got the same voice actor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsePyOUvinA In the older X-Men Capcom stuff, only some of the cartoon VOs appeared though. It's a shame Magneto was never one of them.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:The FF cartoon also had Simon Templeman voicing Doom, and it was magnificent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi86yeXB9pI Did he turn the X-men's jet to stone? Were they too expensive to show on screen?
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Bulgaroctonus posted:Am I missing some kind of joke? Did this actually air? This is REAL?!!!???!?!? I'll feel foolish if this is some internet bullshit that I'm too out of touch to have seen before, but if this is real, what the gently caress is the context for this? The 90s.
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What I remember most about the Iron Man cartoon was that the Mandarin was lime green and possibly an alien to try and stem yellow peril bullshit. Somehow coloring someone who looks like Fu Manchu a sickly green didn't help very much, though. Also the terrible CGI, which I hated and made me sad whenever it showed up. Just like the Battletech cartoon, NO GUTS NO GALAXY.Gaz-L posted:Iron Man, for some bizarre reason, wasn't really an Iron Man cartoon in the first season, but a Force Works series. Because kids love Century I actually thought he looked badass when I was like 8 so mission accomplished, I guess. Jack Gladney posted:I hope that eventually somebody from that dimension that spills out of cyclops' eyes eventually shows up to complain about him stealing their dimension. It's probably something like the elemental planes from D&D. But it would be cool to see a red concussive energy elemental show up, yeah. I think the X-Men's combined levels are equal the CR for that monster. Maybe tie that poo poo to Cyttorak! ToastyPotato posted:I think Spider-Man: TAS can best be described as "sloppy as gently caress." The show is weird, and often poorly animated and poorly drawn. I remember it being a loud show for some reason as well, at least compared to the DC stuff and even the X-Men cartoon. It just felt like there was always some blaring music in the background, but that could just be faded memories since I haven't seriously watched that show in probably 20 years. That said, I did watch the poo poo out of it, just like X-Men. And it was definitely better than Iron Man and Fantastic Four for the most part, though both of those improved in their second season (not by too much.) Joe Perry's theme was a huge part of the marketing for the series, I remember it being brought up incessantly. It definitely influenced the show's aesthetics. Also the toy line that preceded it (and which is why there was such a heavy focus on things like Spider-Slayers) was mega popular, which certainly gave the show a boost. Oh and the X-Men cartoon is loving hilarious. Master Mold vs Senator Kelly, Xavier's impending slow motion doom and Banshee's Bruce Dickinson scream will always stick out to me as probably being intentional comedy. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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