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AceRimmer posted:Poland is reviving the Międzymorze. PiS' top necromancers are working on restoring Pilsudski to working order. I hear it's not going especially well.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:PiS' top necromancers are working on restoring Pilsudski to working order. There was a really cool Polish comic book, Romanticism: A sequel to Essence, sorta-mystery comic done for a contest to promote Warsaw - a kooky story about liquefying books that served as a pretext to draw cool places and landmarks in the city. Romanticism was basically more of the same, but this time it's about the Minister of Culture getting fed up with the shallowness of modern culture and reviving top XIX-century artists as freak vampires sustained by the blood of Polish intelligentsia. I'm expecting the life to imitate art any time now. Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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steinrokkan posted:All your whining is not going to reverse public policy, fishmech. But keep tilting at windmills instead of trying to come up with a realistic agenda. In most Countries That Matter (tm) like the US, public opinion isn't actually strongly or at all (depending on the opinion poll) against nuclear. Germany is the only major economy where "gently caress nuclear" is the overwhelming public opinion. Also, policy changes happen: for instance, Sweden raised its nuclear (fuel iirc) tax to ludicrous levels a year ago with the intention to make nuclear unprofitable, and just backtracked (including the greens ) by completely abolishing that tax to incentivise upgrades of existing nuclear plants and their replacement with more modern ones.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 08:15 |
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Lichtenstein posted:There was a really cool Polish comic book, Romanticism: And here are some pictures of near-future in Poland: More from the same artist: https://www.artstation.com/artist/jakubrozalski
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 08:34 |
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Are Poles just a tiny bit obsessed with resurrecting heroes of the past?
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 08:39 |
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You know how American conservatives are obsessed with an idealized and idyllic image of the 1950's? This is the Polish version of this, isn't it?
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 08:44 |
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Palpek posted:And here are some pictures of near-future in Poland: Most of them read "1920 - Something or other". Seems more like an idealised Polish-Soviet war with anachronistic technology. waitwhatno posted:You know how American conservatives are obsessed with an idealized and idyllic image of the 1950's? This is the Polish version of this, isn't it? The Polish-Soviet war was the last time they were able to beat back their enemies on their own, so it would make sense for nationalists to idolise it.
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AceRimmer posted:Poland is reviving the Międzymorze. No, it's a revival of the Promethean Movement - a 1920s initiative of providing support for cultural and political projects of Soviet-conquered nations (mostly from the Black Sea area) in order both to preserve their national continuity and spread dissent in the fringes of the Soviet empire. That project was spearheaded by Tatar and Georgian émigrés, but included many other nationalities - Ukrainians, Azeris, I think Abkhazians, Chechnyans and Cherkes as well. The other lasting testament to the traditional Polish-Tatar friendship was that the first book to be published in Tatar after the Soviet ban on the language was lifted were the Crimean Sonnets by Polish poet Mickiewicz.
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Kopijeger posted:Most of them read "1920 - Something or other". Seems more like an idealised Polish-Soviet war with anachronistic technology. A Buttery Pastry posted:Are Poles just a tiny bit obsessed with resurrecting heroes of the past? waitwhatno posted:You know how American conservatives are obsessed with an idealized and idyllic image of the 1950's? This is the Polish version of this, isn't it? Palpek fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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Palpek posted:Yes and yes. You have to realize that Poland only just regained independence after over a hundred years of non-existence and Pilsudski's conquers shortly afterwards are a symbol for many, not only nationalists. Of course it's all romantic rose-colored version of history.
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blowfish posted:In most Countries That Matter (tm) like the US, public opinion isn't actually strongly or at all (depending on the opinion poll) against nuclear. Germany is the only major economy where "gently caress nuclear" is the overwhelming public opinion.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 09:32 |
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Baronjutter posted:This is probably better off in the energy thread. But I'd say an ignorance/political obstacle is probably easier to overcome than a technological obstacle with no answer in sight. Solar could be free, but without a way to cheaply and reliably store the energy they're never going to be useful for base load, just a supplement. Put all the money spend on "green energy" subsidies into nuclear PR to the public and maybe have a shot at saving the planet. Or go feel-good solar and wind and burn coal to power everything other than happy green feelings. Good nuclear reactors, so generation 4, will probally take as long to develop as proper PV and wind storage. Up until then, nuclear is just 'okay'. Less co2, but tons of other crap to deal with. All options should be researched. It is dumb to put all the eggs in one basket. But it should be noted that fission research needs less funding from the government because it is already being developed by companies while fusion/pv/wind/storage isnt yet. Edit: ill shut up about energy now. Doesnt belong here
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 09:35 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I guess we can't all have a guardian viking carrying a sword from Arthurian legends protecting the realm, so some countries just have to settle for politicians.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 09:35 |
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What do Polish nationalists think about the Jews, exactly? I understand that's one of the biggest most obvious issues in terms of historical Polish identity. I imagine it's pretty convenient for them that the Nazis were so kind as to get rid of all of them?
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Palpek posted:This is closer to the truth than you imagine. Other legendary heroes include Pope John Paul II and all Polish kings at times of prosperity (like Wladyslaw Jagiello). They were all holy, pure and could have done nothing wrong.
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icantfindaname posted:What do Polish nationalists think about the Jews, exactly? I understand that's one of the biggest most obvious issues in terms of historical Polish identity. I imagine it's pretty convenient for them that the Nazis were so kind as to get rid of all of them? Open Jew-hating is a bit passé among nationalists now. The most popular stance among them was that the Nazis exterminated them despite valiant resistance from the Poles, who always sheltered them, hid them despite the risk and definitely never killed them or profited from their death - any mentions otherwise are lies of international Jewry who want to profit from their ancestors deaths. In other words, antisemitism is still there, but you have to scratch a layer deeper to find it.
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icantfindaname posted:What do Polish nationalists think about the Jews, exactly? I understand that's one of the biggest most obvious issues in terms of historical Polish identity. I imagine it's pretty convenient for them that the Nazis were so kind as to get rid of all of them? It doesn't mean they're not antisemitic though as they have much more pressig issues when it comes to Jews: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBydokomuna quote:Żydokomuna is a term, usually regarded as pejorative and an antisemitic stereotype, referring to alleged Jewish–Soviet collaboration in importing communism into Poland, where communism was sometimes identified as part of a wider Jewish-led conspiracy to seize power.
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Gantolandon posted:Open Jew-hating is a bit passé among nationalists now. The most popular stance among them was that the Nazis exterminated them despite valiant resistance from the Poles, who always sheltered them, hid them despite the risk and definitely never killed them or profited from their death - any mentions otherwise are lies of international Jewry who want to profit from their ancestors deaths. You don't have to scratch that deep. Here's the ONR burning an effigy of a jew holding a EU flag in the main market square in my city. The EU is also a Jewish plot to undermine national sovereignty and implement white genocide through multiculturalism don't you know.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 10:09 |
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZK1H9 Why is no one talking about this in the Eastern Europe thread? Poland funneling billions to American defense contractors - one of the benefits of NATO? Do the Polish public know/care? Are they for this sort of thing?
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What is there to talk about? Europeans buying American arms is basically a requirement if they want to have a military.
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lynch_69 posted:http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZK1H9 We've wanted a missile defense shield since at least 2010 and probably much longer than that so this is nothing new or unexpected. The previous government had in fact already signed a contract to purchase some 40 billion dollars worth of military equipment over the next ten years from US and EU contractors in an attempt to secure that missile defense shield as well as modernize the helicopter fleet of the air force. The current government cancelled those contracts and is negotiating anew. This is better news for the US military industrial complex because the previous government went to Airbus for its helicopter needs but PiS is much more likely to give those contracts to American firms (because they love America and hate the EU).
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 10:15 |
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Ah, thanks. Was looking for some background on this deal.
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A Pale Horse posted:You don't have to scratch that deep. Here's the ONR burning an effigy of a jew holding a EU flag in the main market square in my city. The EU is also a Jewish plot to undermine national sovereignty and implement white genocide through multiculturalism don't you know. Thank God that PC culture has not run amok in Poland yet. Free speech still exists in this country.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 10:34 |
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AFAIK they did the numbers and chilled out a bit about Fukushima.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 11:39 |
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This just reminds me of DDees, somehow.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 11:49 |
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Funny thing about those pictures: technology is for some reason advanced enough to build all those mechs, but agriculture is still using medieval methods (scythes instead of mechanical reapers, much less tractors) and cavalry charges with drawn sabers are still a viable tactic.
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Lichtenstein posted:AFAIK they did the numbers and chilled out a bit about Fukushima. The Japanese public is rabidly anti-nuclear, the Japanese government and regulators don't give a gently caress about public opinion and do whatever institutional inertia dictates because given Japan's political system they're almost impossible to dislodge. If the Japanese public had its way though make no mistake they'd get rid of the reactors tomorrow icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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icantfindaname posted:The Japanese public is rabidly anti-nuclear, the Japanese government and regulators don't give a gently caress about public opinion and do whatever institutional inertia dictates because given Japan's political system they're almost impossible to dislodge. If the Japanese public had its way though make no mistake they'd get rid of the reactors tomorrow
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icantfindaname posted:Japanese government and regulators don't give a gently caress about public opinion Good.
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Tevery Best posted:No, it's a revival of the Promethean Movement - a 1920s initiative of providing support for cultural and political projects of Soviet-conquered nations (mostly from the Black Sea area) in order both to preserve their national continuity and spread dissent in the fringes of the Soviet empire. That project was spearheaded by Tatar and Georgian émigrés, but included many other nationalities - Ukrainians, Azeris, I think Abkhazians, Chechnyans and Cherkes as well.
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Kopijeger posted:Funny thing about those pictures: technology is for some reason advanced enough to build all those mechs, but agriculture is still using medieval methods (scythes instead of mechanical reapers, much less tractors) and cavalry charges with drawn sabers are still a viable tactic.
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Kopijeger posted:Funny thing about those pictures: technology is for some reason advanced enough to build all those mechs, but agriculture is still using medieval methods (scythes instead of mechanical reapers, much less tractors) and cavalry charges with drawn sabers are still a viable tactic. Well they forgot how to make all of that stuff around 30,000 e: Wait, is there no Polish inspired imperial guard regiment? Games Workshop is missing out on a huge market. ass struggle fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Imperial Winged Hussars. poo poo yes.
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# ? Jul 7, 2016 03:47 |
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Article in the Torygraph today about the Crimean Tatars struggle on to resist Russian rule. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/07/special-report-crimea-tatars-endure-second-tragedy-under-russian/ quote:The knock on the door came at 7.30am and the brutal interrogation lasted for almost eight hours. After being taken from his home in Crimea to a police station, Weldar Shukurdiyev was threatened and assaulted. Also:
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slavatuvs posted:Well they forgot how to make all of that stuff around 30,000 Only winged bear hussars in fantasy warhams:
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# ? Jul 7, 2016 13:30 |
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Russians were in Crimea before the Tatars so how can they be the original inhabitants article?
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Back To 99 posted:Russians were in Crimea before the Tatars so how can they be the original inhabitants article? ... What? The Tatars weren't the original inhabitants, but they were there well before Russia even existed.
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Back To 99 posted:Russians were in Crimea before the Tatars so how can they be the original inhabitants article? Back when the Tartars settled the region, the upstarts we know today as "Russians" were still just a bunch of Muscowite regional aristocrats.
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steinrokkan posted:Back when the Tartars settled the region, the upstarts we know today as "Russians" were still just a bunch of Muscowite regional aristocrats.
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Crimea belongs to Tsar Putin as rightful heir to the Rurikovichs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmutarakan
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