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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

weird

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JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
14 bits more than expected

yoloer420
May 19, 2006

I was actually going to back this, thanks for saving me!

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
the battery is probably defensible because it's triple the capacity so the extra mechanical headache is worth it, but being on the bleeding edge of what nordic is shipping, especially on a KS schedule/budget, is not a position i would envy

Jeesis
Mar 4, 2010

I am the second illegitimate son of gawd who resides in hoaven.
Is this worth posting about? It looks like yet another single board computer with a arm chip. But this time they have a laptop. No idea why you would want a laptop with a arm chip though.




https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

quote:

Libre Tea Computer Card

Compliant with the EOMA68 Specification
A20 Dual-Core ARM Cortex A7, 1.2 GHz
2 GB RAM
8 GB NAND
Micro-HDMI Interface (for 2nd monitor)
Micro-USB-OTG (bi-directional power)
Micro-SD Card Slot
Pre-installed with Parabola GNU/Linux-libre Operating System
Respects Your Freedom (RYF) Certification from the Free Software Foundation

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Jeesis posted:

Is this worth posting about? It looks like yet another single board computer with a arm chip. But this time they have a laptop. No idea why you would want a laptop with a arm chip though.




https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

to be honest it would be pretty nice to have a laptop shell to shove something like a Raspberry Pi or all those other boards in to make it more mobile, but this thing seems to require things mounted on a completely different sort of board.

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

Jeesis posted:

But this time they have a laptop. No idea why you would want a laptop with a arm chip though.


The ARM Chromebooks had great battery life, especially Samsungs Macbook Air one. The greater problem is simply "Linux Laptop", it hasn't really worked at any price point.

evilcat
May 16, 2009

Jeesis posted:

Is this worth posting about? It looks like yet another single board computer with a arm chip. But this time they have a laptop. No idea why you would want a laptop with a arm chip though.




https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

Looks like their big thing is that the laptop and the mainboard are separate, and by having a standard mainboard design you can just upgrade the laptop as needed or desired, and the wood block makes for a mini desktop.
It might be cheaper to upgrade the board for however long the new standard exists and works than to buy new laptops, but I can't see anyone short of regular users wanting it, as all I can see from a company or school deployment is new ways things get ruined.
Making the parts able to be 3D printed by the average person will mean either very simple designs to pieces and/or some laughable joint gaps.
Actually it would probably have some good situational uses if they made a lot of different ARM boards for it and let it take a couple at once, because then it could be really useful for ARM development, and using one board as the computer could be used to make and simulate embedded applications that are programmed onto the other board, which could be unplugged and then plugged into whatever else. If they did something like that, I could see high school and college courses loving them, especially any that get involved in stuff like FIRST and whatever other robot things there are.

Real edit: $500 for the laptop kit with 3D printed parts and $65 for the fanciest computer card, or $1200 for an assembled laptop with computer card included.

evilcat fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jul 2, 2016

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

avatar
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speaking of terrible computers...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1606226331/portable-console-for-pc-games-pgs/description

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Jeesis posted:

Is this worth posting about? It looks like yet another single board computer with a arm chip. But this time they have a laptop. No idea why you would want a laptop with a arm chip though.




https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

bunny already did it better

https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3657

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



Two thousand earth dollars lmao

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
seriously just grab a random 6-year old computer that someone you know has and will give you for free and put Neverware on it

When you stop caring about how scrub your computer decision are, the world is yours

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE

unless they already have a CM lined up to produce 10,000 units, it's going to be pretty much impossible to go from "hi we 3D printed an enclosure around a dev kit" to shipping product in 9 months

I mean, gently caress, with a hinge like that you're looking at 2-3 months just to get the enclosure tooling down

Beast of Bourbon
Sep 25, 2013

Pillbug
if it's just the enclosure then 6-9 months would be reasonable.

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums

Jimmy Carter posted:

unless they already have a CM lined up to produce 10,000 units, it's going to be pretty much impossible to go from "hi we 3D printed an enclosure around a dev kit" to shipping product in 9 months

I mean, gently caress, with a hinge like that you're looking at 2-3 months just to get the enclosure tooling down

spend a few thou of that pile o cash on a dozen 3d printers, problem solved m8 move onto next bullet point then a vegas trip to celebrate being ON TRACK

e:
sell the 3d printers on ebay to recoup that $$ when you finish printing the enclosyures, we just went to vegas + got enclosures for basically free gently caress were brilliant

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe
$1200 for a lovely ARM laptop lomarf

emgeejay
Dec 8, 2007

Uhhhhhh

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1606226331/portable-console-for-pc-games-pgs

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe

i don't think intel onboard gfx can run anything other than like lovely indie games, unless they've gotten really loving good since HD3000 or the project assumes people will be fine with playing games at like 5FPS?

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

online friend posted:

i don't think intel onboard gfx can run anything other than like lovely indie games, unless they've gotten really loving good since HD3000 or the project assumes people will be fine with playing games at like 5FPS?

yeah this is pretty correct

i have an old rear end laptop that got me through portal and halflife 2, but i don't think it'd get much farther

i deleted my steam account even though i was gonna test it with such as skyrim, dark souls and fallout nv

i thought, i've paid for the games but i need this old lappy to play me old movies and there is no way in poo poo it's going to run these

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe

syscall girl posted:

yeah this is pretty correct

i have an old rear end laptop that got me through portal and halflife 2, but i don't think it'd get much farther

i deleted my steam account even though i was gonna test it with such as skyrim, dark souls and fallout nv

i thought, i've paid for the games but i need this old lappy to play me old movies and there is no way in poo poo it's going to run these

i remember being able to get 60 FPS stable in TF2 on my old laptop with an HD3000 and a maxfps config, but anything more than that was unlikely

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe
laptop gaming isn't a thing yet unless you're willing to shell out the same cash as a high-end macbook pro for a laptop that will be outdated in a few years

the idea of thunderbolt GPU enclosures is really cool and could potentially pan out in the future but for some games that are heavier on CPU (source engine games are notorious for this, iirc) that'll be your bottleneck once your hardware is outdated even if you could just shove a new gpu in there

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

online friend posted:

i don't think intel onboard gfx can run anything other than like lovely indie games, unless they've gotten really loving good since HD3000 or the project assumes people will be fine with playing games at like 5FPS?

intel onboard graphics are pretty good these days tbh, but you'll notice that all those games are a) running at like 1280x720 because that's the panel and b) games notable for scaling down well with slow graphics cards

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

online friend posted:

i remember being able to get 60 FPS stable in TF2 on my old laptop with an HD3000 and a maxfps config, but anything more than that was unlikely

I see 100fps in TF2 with a HD5000, there is some progress at least.

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe

fishmech posted:

intel onboard graphics are pretty good these days tbh, but you'll notice that all those games are a) running at like 1280x720 because that's the panel and b) games notable for scaling down well with slow graphics cards

so at best it's disingenuous because you just know a bunch of people are gonna be like "holy gently caress i can play dark souls/witcher 3/whatever on the plane or in the car" right up until they realize it'll only play what are basically arcade games at anything over 30 FPS

RISCy Business fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jul 5, 2016

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
they basically admit it

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RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe

fishmech posted:

they basically admit it



lmao

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

i play games on a laptop and i just crank down the graphics and resolution and it's perfectly fine, idk why people are all 'labtops oval office gome'

Maluco Marinero
Jan 18, 2001

Damn that's a
fine elephant.

duTrieux. posted:

i play games on a laptop and i just crank down the graphics and resolution and it's perfectly fine, idk why people are all 'labtops oval office gome'

because their definition of game doesn't include games that aren't AAA 3D (most indie games, even good looking ones fall well within a laptops capability), aren't smooth frame rate dependant (dropping frames ain't a big deal in slower games)

or they're not cranking the settings down low enough as you say. You can squeeze a lot more out of less powerful if you abandon trying to keep 1920x1080 res.

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe

Maluco Marinero posted:

because their definition of game doesn't include games that aren't AAA 3D (most indie games, even good looking ones fall well within a laptops capability), aren't smooth frame rate dependant (dropping frames ain't a big deal in slower games)

or they're not cranking the settings down low enough as you say. You can squeeze a lot more out of less powerful if you abandon trying to keep 1920x1080 res.

i never said that laptop gaming isn't possible, just that it isn't enjoyable in any sense of the word for a lot of people

having to downscale to a smaller res than native and turn down literally every graphic setting is just bad imo

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

Maluco Marinero posted:

because their definition of game doesn't include games that aren't AAA 3D (most indie games, even good looking ones fall well within a laptops capability), aren't smooth frame rate dependant (dropping frames ain't a big deal in slower games)

or they're not cranking the settings down low enough as you say. You can squeeze a lot more out of less powerful if you abandon trying to keep 1920x1080 res.

i'm playing overwatch at 1366x768 with a 50% render scale. (at 50% i can bump up other settings which compensate and it all ends up better than a higher render scale but with lower other settings)

it's still fun and i'm still ruining people, so idgaf

Maluco Marinero
Jan 18, 2001

Damn that's a
fine elephant.

online friend posted:

i never said that laptop gaming isn't possible, just that it isn't enjoyable in any sense of the word for a lot of people

having to downscale to a smaller res than native and turn down literally every graphic setting is just bad imo

It's clearly inferior to a proper desktop rig sure, but if you didn't have a choice it's okay I guess for many types of games.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

duTrieux. posted:

i'm playing overwatch at 1366x768 with a 50% render scale. (at 50% i can bump up other settings which compensate and it all ends up better than a higher render scale but with lower other settings)

it's still fun and i'm still ruining people, so idgaf

are you saying that the game is rendering at 683x384? like it's loving 1995 and you're playing quake on your pentium with a voodoo card?

jesus man

maniacdevnull
Apr 18, 2007

FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
DISPROVES SOFT G GOD
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

duTrieux. posted:

i'm playing overwatch at 1366x768

Ahahahahahahaha gently caress you

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

duTrieux. posted:

i'm playing overwatch at 1366x768 with a 50% render scale. (at 50% i can bump up other settings which compensate and it all ends up better than a higher render scale but with lower other settings)

it's still fun and i'm still ruining people, so idgaf

same

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

i doubled checked and it looks like i forgot that i bumped it up to 1600x900

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

Sagebrush posted:

are you saying that the game is rendering at 683x384? like it's loving 1995 and you're playing quake on your pentium with a voodoo card?

jesus man

I'm fuckin dying

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



duTrieux. posted:

i doubled checked and it looks like i forgot that i bumped it up to 1600x900

so just 800x450 or a cheap android phone in 2014 resolution

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

yeah.

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

you can game just fine on desktop Intel graphics with the best i7. but a laptop i5 throttled for thermal reasons will be unplayable. let alone an Atom in a freaking handheld.

I wonder if they tested these games on some random Atom laptop as opposed to their actual design with heat and power constraints as well.

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Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
maybe we should start using "rig" to refer to all computers instead of just manchild gamecomputers

my washing machine has a p sweet embedded rig, check out these blinking lights

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