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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I did a huge effortpost in CD earlier arguing that trying to course correct to appeal to audiences has always been a bad idea and doubling down turns out to be the right thing to do: I see what you're saying, but I think the difference is that your examples all had a good first film. Sure, maybe not the box office blockbuster that their franchises went on to be, but good films that did well at the cinema and attracted even more attention on DVD from word of mouth. If you watch a bad Marvel movie now, you know it's an aberration (not saying they're all masterpieces, but you can at least expect a competent, fun movie). It doesn't put you off the next one because you know that the next one will probably be done by different people who've listened to previous criticism. There's no reason to think that's going to happen with DC because they've now churned out two movies with basically the same problems from the same people, and announced their intention to let the same people keep making more. Basically, I'm saying you can get away with a bad movie in a franchise if you've got a good foundation, a good first film to build on. DC haven't done that yet, and I think they'd be better off hitting the reboot button than trying to make people like something that just isn't working.
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Jul 5, 2016 17:21
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Sunswipe posted:Basically, I'm saying you can get away with a bad movie in a franchise if you've got a good foundation, a good first film to build on. DC haven't done that yet, and I think they'd be better off hitting the reboot button than trying to make people like something that just isn't working. I think that the Nolan Batman films pretty much set their house style (even though Nolan moved on to other things) but they're also trying to differentiate themselves from the MCU films so they're just going to hammer home the "gritty and mature" theme until the audience comes around. The big problem with that is that the MCU films have marketed themselves overall as light, fun escapism full of witty quips and explosions and the idea that Friendship Is Super which is pretty much exactly what the wider moviegoing population wants, so DC have pretty much gone "Yeah we're going to avoid all that stuff that audiences really want and do something different."
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Jul 5, 2016 17:31
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If the 3 hour directors cut is better than 2.5 hour theatrical cut, just imagine how good the 4 hour extended directors cut is going to be!
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Jul 5, 2016 17:34
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The DC cinematic universe only has 2 films so far and when the MCU started out they had a bunch of films that were only moderately successful. The first two MCU films were Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk and Man of Steel only made slightly less money than Iron Man but Batman v Superman made a whole lot more money than The Incredible Hulk. The difference with that "moderate success" was that the Marvel movies were well received, building goodwill towards what Marvel was trying to do. In the end that paid off big time with the Avengers, and they've been riding that wave ever since. DC started out with one lukewarm film, and then doubled down on all the things people reacted negatively to, while simultaneously shoehorning in Wonder Woman AND shoehorning in cameos for the rest of the Justice League, as if to say "aren't you excited????" If the upcoming movies are going to be like what we've gotten so far, then no I am not excited. I really want to be wrong about DC's grand design, but so far they're just not showing it.
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Jul 5, 2016 17:37
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Xenomrph posted:If the upcoming movies are going to be like what we've gotten so far, then no I am not excited. I'm guessing that audiences' reactions to Suicide Squad are going to be a crucial litmus test on the viability of the franchise
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Jul 5, 2016 17:49
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I'm guessing that audiences' reactions to Suicide Squad are going to be a crucial litmus test on the viability of the franchise I'm right there with you on that one. Personally I thought the last two SS trailers (the ones that used Queen and Ballroom Blitz) were a hoot, if the actual movie maintains that tone then I'm totally onboard. I'm also cautiously optimistic that Wonder Woman will be cool, but I think it runs a bigger risk of going "grimdark 110%" than Suicude Squad does.
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Jul 5, 2016 17:55
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I want to see Wonder Woman in the trenches of the Western Front sarcastically quipping at Jerries while "Crazy Bitch" plays in the background. It still has to be gritty and serious though, so when she holds a 14-YO German soldier down in a pocket of mustard gas you see every moment of his agonizing death and Wonder Woman spends half the film slapping, berating and executing shellshocked French soldiers for cowardice.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:33
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I didn't really get a load of the references. When Jesse eisenburg is in the pool and there's a big Satan fella there that vanishes, what's all that about? Whose that weird fella who is popping out the screen saying Louis lane is the key or whatever in batmans dream? What was Lex luthiers actual plan? Kill batman then what? Superman could just kill him? Idk. E: the wonderwoman theme tune was loving horrific also. Really bad.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:39
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Bape Culture posted:I didn't really get a load of the references. Darkseid The Flash Lex's plan makes exactly zero sense unless he's literally trying to destroy the world because he's mind-controlled by Darkseid. Yes.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:48
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Pvt.Scott posted:I want to see Wonder Woman in the trenches of the Western Front sarcastically quipping at Jerries while "Crazy Bitch" plays in the background. It still has to be gritty and serious though, so when she holds a 14-YO German soldier down in a pocket of mustard gas you see every moment of his agonizing death and Wonder Woman spends half the film slapping, berating and executing shellshocked French soldiers for cowardice. Somewhere an intern at DC is googling for "I want to see Wonder Woman" and has just copy/pasted this post into a really big Excel spreadsheet
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Jul 5, 2016 18:51
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Bape Culture posted:When Jesse eisenburg is in the pool and there's a big Satan fella there that vanishes, what's all that about? He's a character named Steppenwolf from the planet Apokolips. He works for Darkseid, who is arguably the biggest Superman/Justice League villain in the DC universe. I don't know if Lex was communicating with him or just learning about him, and now knows that Earth is due for an invasion from Apokolips. quote:Whose that weird fella who is popping out the screen saying Louis lane is the key or whatever in batmans dream? That's the Flash, having used his super-speed time travel powers to warn Batman about future events. It's impossible to know that without being familiar with the comics or cartoons. I didn't even realize what was happening there when I saw the movie, because he doesn't even look like the Flash. quote:What was Lex luthiers actual plan? Kill batman then what? Superman could just kill him? Idk. I can't help you there.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:51
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So this darkside bloke. He's real and that's like a phone call or summat? In the film I thought Jesse was projecting him and trying to turn himself into Satan through the magic goop. I like comic book films tbh and even I found this one daft. E: post above makes more sense to me. Cheers. Didn't even hear any of that mentioned in the movie. Did the painting relate to that as well? They seemed to linger on it a lot Bape Culture fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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Jul 5, 2016 18:52
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Bape Culture posted:So this darkside bloke. He's real and that's like a phone call or summat? he was learning about the impending invasion of earth at the hands of aliens (maybe). if you'll recall his primary motivation in the movie (besides "i hate my father, and god!") was that he felt the earth needed to be able to defend itself from aliens with its own weapons and technologies as opposed to trusting our security to a superpowered alien that happens to look identical to a human and is impossible to hold to account for his actions due to his superpowers lex luthor did nothing wrong
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Jul 5, 2016 18:58
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why is lois lane the key who gives a gently caress about lois lane
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Jul 5, 2016 19:01
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Pitdragon posted:he was learning about the impending invasion of earth at the hands of aliens (maybe). if you'll recall his primary motivation in the movie (besides "i hate my father, and god!") was that he felt the earth needed to be able to defend itself from aliens with its own weapons and technologies as opposed to trusting our security to a superpowered alien that happens to look identical to a human and is impossible to hold to account for his actions due to his superpowers If anything, Lex and Bats were doing mankind a solid until Bats' mental illness kicked in and he spazzed out about Martha. Not sure what the "release a giant fuckoff monster" contingency plan was all about on Lex's end though. CharlestonJew posted:why is lois lane the key I'm guessing Super Baby or something.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:02
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Pvt.Scott posted:If anything, Lex and Bats were doing mankind a solid until Bats' mental illness kicked in and he spazzed out about Martha. Not sure what the "release a giant fuckoff monster" contingency plan was all about on Lex's end though. there was actually a big button in the ship that could automatically exterminate any giant fuckoff monsters that the ship created that lex intended to use once superman had been eradicated, but it was cut. the scene featuring it will be included in the extended revised remastered directors special edition cut
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Jul 5, 2016 19:08
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awfully optimistic for them to throw in a bajillion references to future movies
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Jul 5, 2016 19:15
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who the gently caress is going to see an aquaman movie
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Jul 5, 2016 20:07
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Clipperton posted:who the gently caress is going to see an aquaman movie Aquatic-Americans deserve more representation in popular culture, please don't gillshame
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Jul 5, 2016 20:09
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Aquaman is by far my favorite comic book character, but if there was one thing I would change about him it's how his power is to control the creatures of the sea. Other than that - perfect!
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Jul 5, 2016 20:10
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actually john byrne probably wouldquote:In my first studio in my former house, there was a fireplace with a wide mantle. I set my Super Powers action figures in a line along this shelf (in alphabetical order, which hardly anyone ever seemed to pick up on!) One afternoon, during one of my summer parties, I wandered into the studio to find a small clutch of my fellow professionals had gathered in there. One of these was a good friend, who had brought with him his wife and small daughter (maybe three years old). I walked in to find her sitting on the floor playing with my Aquaman figure. "She was bored," said my friend, "so I gave her Aquaman to play with. He doesn't matter." His exact words, burned into my brain. I took the toy from the child and replaced it on the shelf. "Does to me," I said. he sure showed her
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Jul 5, 2016 20:19
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Clipperton posted:actually john byrne probably would haha he's irl the dad from the Lego movie
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Jul 5, 2016 20:22
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aquaman? Yeah he's a real piece of poo poo
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Jul 5, 2016 20:24
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when aquaman masturbates everyone has to breathe in his jizz its one of the perks of being the king of the sea
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Jul 5, 2016 20:30
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Aquatic-Americans deserve more representation in popular culture, please don't gillshame 
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Jul 5, 2016 20:32
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aquaman is a 80 year old impotent penis they keep trying to make him more BADASS but he'll never be Namor
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Jul 5, 2016 20:32
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i would watch a john carter aquaman where he's under the sea the whole time having adventures with kraken and squid
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Jul 5, 2016 21:00
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Clipperton posted:who the gently caress is going to see an aquaman movie Make it a musical comedy where Atlantis has the demeanor of a 1950's Movie, which is always contrasted with the grimdark gray world whenever he surfaces. Black Manta is a gay ex-Navy international pirate (oh you're goddamned right he's got some musical numbers) in a stolen sub who has a sort-of-friendly working relationship with Aquaman (think Batman/Catwoman). Also, plenty of ocean puns like "Let's get kraken!" and "You gotta be squiddin' me!" The plot is Aquaman being mortified at what's above the ocean, and vowing to make it a friendlier, happier place. You couldn't keep people from wanting to see that.
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Jul 5, 2016 23:50
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8C1WWixgc
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Jul 5, 2016 23:52
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I think Aquaman could be done alright if they presented and used his power like an angry sea god, like a living neptune. Like he's constantly tossing tidal waves and massive naval forces or literally commanding all the sharks in the sea to kill anyone that ventures near wherever basically like an angry greek god movie, not some shlub in swim trunks that asks advice from some scrub in a bat constume that fights gangsters on land
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Jul 6, 2016 00:25
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Literally the only good Aquaman.
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Jul 6, 2016 00:27
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So I got around to finally watching BvS (read: watched the fight scenes on youtube). Question: So when Wonderwoman slices off Doomsday's hand, a big pointy rock grows in it's place. What if, like, they just did that for all his other limbs so that he couldn't get anywhere???
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Jul 6, 2016 00:42
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Yestermoment posted:So I got around to finally watching BvS (read: watched the fight scenes on youtube). it'd eventually grow back into a rocky shingly hand if he didn't die like a big dumb idiot first. i think you could lop his head off and it'd just grow back pointier
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Jul 6, 2016 00:47
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Ages ago (I think a few years before BvS), someone on SA linked a video about everything that was wrong with the superman death comics, like how frustratingly they tried to retconn it and such. Mostly jabbing at the poor writing and narrative decisions made afterwards regarding bringing him back. Anyone have a clue or link to what I'm refering to?
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Jul 6, 2016 00:53
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Madcosby posted:I think Aquaman could be done alright if they presented and used his power like an angry sea god, like a living neptune. Like he's constantly tossing tidal waves and massive naval forces or literally commanding all the sharks in the sea to kill anyone that ventures near wherever lol yea make aqua man namor and suddenly hes interesting
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Jul 6, 2016 00:55
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Madcosby posted:Ages ago (I think a few years before BvS), someone on SA linked a video about everything that was wrong with the superman death comics, like how frustratingly they tried to retconn it and such. Mostly jabbing at the poor writing and narrative decisions made afterwards regarding bringing him back. Anyone have a clue or link to what I'm refering to? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM The Max Landis Death of Superman video?
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Jul 6, 2016 01:20
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roffels posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM that was it! gracias!
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Jul 6, 2016 02:09
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Literally the only good Aquaman.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It could be that Aquaman is the movie which clicks with the audience and turns the DCCU around. hahahaha god drat
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