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Solice Kirsk posted:So we got the knife tree and the badass lying tree. What are the odds we get one more tree in the final book?
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He has a new pen name. http://www.tor.com/2016/06/20/computer-games-or-why-ill-probably-never-finish-writing-my-trilogy/
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quote:Books give you a single path through a manufactured world. How to make an English teacher cry in one sentence.
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Just finished rereading Wizard of Earthsea for the first time in 15 years. Oh man does Rothfuss borrow heavily from it. I think what he's done is more similar to that book than anything else, minus brevity and quality.
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I don't know if I should be thrilled or frightened, but Rothfuss is going to be on popular, and my personal favorite, podcast My Brother, My Brother and Me answering questions about "storytelling and parenting". I hope it's as insightful as it sounds. https://m.facebook.com/groups/108496432522050?view=permalink&id=1113746118663738
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He's good at one of those things from what I can tell.
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Solice Kirsk posted:He's good at one of those things from what I can tell. The guy who white knighted the fictional woman in Roald Dahl's silly, quaint children's book, about romance by magically growing turtles? He bragged on the internet about rewriting Esio Trot to keep his kid from being exposed to British misogyny. I can't wait to see what his future parenting decisions will look like if that's the road map.
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Solice Kirsk posted:He's good at one of those things from what I can tell. Have you actually read the parenting stories he tells? Kvothe isn't the unreliable narrator. Rothfuss is.
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Jul 4, 2016 04:16
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I thought he was generally thought of as a good dad? Maybe I was wrong?
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He's probably a fine dad but he's got some really stupid opinions. But every kid gets exposed to stupid poo poo because of their parents. Is his kid alive, vaccinated and otherwise fed and taken care of? Then he's doing his job.
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Jul 4, 2016 06:04
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Rothfuss bad man
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i want to poo directly onto his face. let all my hopes and dreams just slide out like molasses from the millennial labyrinth of my rear end straight into his open mouth so he has to choke on the condensed fibre of my ennui. my disenfranchisement. my sense of unfillable emptiness. i am a youth and i speak for the youth when i say, more like rothfuck imo
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Avshalom posted:i want to poo directly onto his face. let all my hopes and dreams just slide out like molasses from the millennial labyrinth of my rear end straight into his open mouth so he has to choke on the condensed fibre of my ennui. my disenfranchisement. my sense of unfillable emptiness. i am a youth and i speak for the youth when i say, more like rothfuck imo
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Avshalom posted:i want to poo directly onto his face. let all my hopes and dreams just slide out like molasses from the millennial labyrinth of my rear end straight into his open mouth so he has to choke on the condensed fibre of my ennui. my disenfranchisement. my sense of unfillable emptiness. i am a youth and i speak for the youth when i say, more like rothfuck imo Avshalom posted:while writing this i legitimately had to poo. it was all i could think about. i was desperate. i squeezed one out as soon as i hit "submit reply" and as i looked down on it i saw there the unmistakeable visage of rothfuss, its lips seductively wriggling, its eyes beady and lustful. this is called writing what you know now this is shitposting
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Truly next level. Hopefully this elevates all of our shitposting moving forward.
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I think a lot of people dislike what they see as aimless drifting in Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear because often times it doesn't seem meaningful, either to the plot or characters. The books break away from the more traditional structure of stories, which can leave readers feeling discomforted. What he ends up writing, though, is more like what an actual life is like. Real life is not a story, and so has long pauses in action, obsessions over minutiae, idiot mistakes that seem to mean nothing--and yet are critical in developing who we are. Of course, just because it breaks a great deal of rules of traditional stories doesn't mean it eschews them all together, so we see elements of the hero cycle and the overall frame of a tragedy, as Goffer points out. I think the breaking of rules--rules that are often a very bad idea to break--makes the story more interesting because it gives it an unpredictable, mysterious quality that I think hooks so many people in the first read-through. Second, Kvothe is an unreliable narrator in the way that everyone is. He's very obviously biased, as Rothfuss uses the framing story to point out repeatedly, and so that bias is important in the story. He doesn't have to be outright lying. For example, from what Rothfuss shows us of Denna, she and Kvothe are pretty much the same person. They both have a past they won't speak of, both are talented in music and stories, both know things others don't, both are willing to sacrifice for a mystery connected with their past--etc.--but because of Kvothe's bias, he can't see that as clearly as we can (or can't, depending on your ability to make inferences). Kvothe has a hard time seeing other people as as deep and nuanced as he is, but of course, they are--but we only see a small part of their stories. Stories within stories, of course, is one of the key aspects of the series.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:What he ends up writing, though, is more like what an actual life is like. Real life is not a story, and so has long pauses in action, obsessions over minutiae, idiot mistakes that seem to mean nothing--and yet are critical in developing who we are. Of course, just because it breaks a great deal of rules of traditional stories doesn't mean it eschews them all together, so we see elements of the hero cycle and the overall frame of a tragedy, as Goffer points out. I think the breaking of rules--rules that are often a very bad idea to break--makes the story more interesting because it gives it an unpredictable, mysterious quality that I think hooks so many people in the first read-through. Stories don't reflect "real life" by being without structure, they reflect "real life" by describing human experience. Kingkiller is not like 'real life' at all. It's very much detached from any experience of social context or world. How is Kvothe investigating evil demons and then stumbling onto a dragon feasting from a drug grower's stash reflect real life? It's not even burlesquing fantasy, it's very much played straight. What you're thinking about is something like Hilary Mantell's Wolf Hall, which is about "real life" even though it's about Tudor court intrigues. This is because it's very much concerned with base realities of early 16th century life, which helps make the historical intrigue like "real life". Uranium Phoenix posted:Second, Kvothe is an unreliable narrator in the way that everyone is. Kvothe is a very bad unreliable narrator. Rothfuss uses him to describe dull minutiae instead of subjectivity.
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That may be, but the argument "you guys dislike aimless drifting because it's not meaningful to plot or characters" really struck a chord with me so I'm gonna go ahead and give my point to the other guy.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:I think a lot of people dislike what they see as aimless drifting in Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear because often times it doesn't seem meaningful, either to the plot or characters. The books break away from the more traditional structure of stories, which can leave readers feeling discomforted. What he ends up writing, though, is more like what an actual life is like. Real life is not a story, and so has long pauses in action, obsessions over minutiae, idiot mistakes that seem to mean nothing--and yet are critical in developing who we are. Of course, just because it breaks a great deal of rules of traditional stories doesn't mean it eschews them all together, so we see elements of the hero cycle and the overall frame of a tragedy, as Goffer points out. I think the breaking of rules--rules that are often a very bad idea to break--makes the story more interesting because it gives it an unpredictable, mysterious quality that I think hooks so many people in the first read-through. So really what you're saying is that it's not that Rothfuss is a lovely story-teller, it's that Kvothe is a lovely story-teller. I suppose there's a difference on paper, but not to anyone who has to endure the story. Edit to say that for the record (since I don't know if I've posted in this thread before), I don't hate NotW, I just think its female characters are so terrible that they set back the entire concept of women in literature back by a hundred years.
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Naerasa posted:So really what you're saying is that it's not that Rothfuss is a lovely story-teller, it's that Kvothe is a lovely story-teller. I suppose there's a difference on paper, but not to anyone who has to endure the story. Yeah well if you think that you know nothing of women nor literature nor me 
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I know explaining gestation is super hard. It's a primal instinct and every creature that reproduces sexually knows what it's doing is for procreation.
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NotW soooo wanted to be a Picaresque but failed to understand the core elements.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:What he ends up writing, though, is more like what an actual life is like. Remember that time in real life when you were so good at sex that your immortal sex fairy sex partner couldn't believe you were a virgin? Remember that time in real life when you set out to save your friend in imminent peril, but got distracted ten seconds later by a shiny object and didn't think of her for months? Remember that time in real life when you killed a dozen people because one of them admitted to shoplifting?
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Remember that time in real life when you killed a dozen people because one of them admitted to shoplifting? Didn't they also kidnap two girls and torture/abuse them or something?
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orange sky posted:Didn't they also kidnap two girls and torture/abuse them or something? Pretty sure the two girls were straight up raped repeatedly too
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Again people are missing the deeper issues, like how is that it's a very impotent and unhelpful response to antiziganism:quote:“You thought you could fool me?” I said, feeling my anger coiling inside me again like a spring. “This is my family! How could I not know? Ruh don’t do what you did. Ruh don’t steal, don’t kidnap girls.” This is Rothfuss's defence of Roma and other ethnic minorities: it's someone else that makes them look bad. Or it's just a few bad apples, etc etc This is a typically naive liberal response. Of course one must avoid the opposite argument, that minorities justify discrimination with their actions, since justifying discrimination of peoples is racism. What one instead needs to do is to say that whatever their problems, they still deserve to be treated as humans no matter what they do. Zadie Smith's NW is really good about this, because it gives voice to the ethnic criminal that even liberals fear. Instead, Rothfuss argues that rapist thieves are making Elizabethan actors look bad. Not a good response to racism and antiziganism. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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jivjov posted:Pretty sure the two girls were straight up raped repeatedly too Kvothe was really loving creepy during that part also.
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Andrast posted:Kvothe was really loving creepy during that part also. Not All Men. That's exactly what rape victims need to hear after their traumatic experience.
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orange sky posted:Didn't they also kidnap two girls and torture/abuse them or something? Did Kvothe decide to kill them before or after he learned about the girls?
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Jimbot posted:Not All Men. He should have used his newly found sexual powers to bang those girls back from suffering. The literal goddess of loving told him he was super good so regular old sexually abused women should be like shooting fish in a barrel for his sexual healing. And let's not even get into him single handedly standing up to the town to make sure these raped chicks will find good husbands and live happily ever after and all the women of the town stand up and cheer him and poo poo. There's just huge chunks of WMF that I actively dislike.
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Dienes posted:Did Kvothe decide to kill them before or after he learned about the girls? I think he knew about the girls from the outset. I'm pretty sure he only killed them after he learned they were impersonating the Edema Ruh while doing it.
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Again, people are missing the deeper issues. In addition to being a terrible response to antiziganism, it's not a very good sequence about murdering people. It's really limp. Kvothe kills them in a casual and calculated manner, then has bad dreams because he's not a sociopath, you see. Then there are remarks about how exceptional he is for killing seven people. Also this: quote:The anger leapt out of a young man to my left, a farm boy, about seventeen. “None of this would have happened if you hadn’t been running around like some Ruh whore!” BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Again, people are missing the deeper issue. It's not a very good sequence about murdering people. It's really limpid. Kvothe kills them in a casual and calculated manner, then has bad dreams because he's not a sociopath, you see. Then there are remarks about how exceptional he is for killing seven people. Also this: This poo poo is written like a high school power fantasy. That entire sequence should have been cut because it does absolutely nothing for the characters or story. It just feels tacked on to pad out an already padded out story.
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https://twitter.com/yokoono/status/750692779441790977
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Solice Kirsk posted:This poo poo is written like a high school power fantasy. That entire sequence should have been cut because it does absolutely nothing for the characters or story. It just feels tacked on to pad out an already padded out story. Except for the part where it's basically the instigator for Kvothe having to leave patronland
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ChickenWing posted:Except for the part where it's basically the instigator for Kvothe having to leave patronland Kvothe breaking the random misogynist's arm is not the reason he has to leave.
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I thought the instigator was his inability to shut his loving mouth when someone with power over him was critical of the Ruh? She could have just brought that up with out needing the lead in of why he was late coming back. I'll have to reread that part, but wasn't he sent out to stop the thieves as an excuse to dismiss him to begin with? It didn't need to be in there and is only there to make Kvothe look even more put upon...or as put upon as a famous genius artistic warrior wizard can be I guess.
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Oh my bad I thought you meant the whole village thing. I don't think it's nearly as bad as you lot seem to believe but I also haven't read it in a while. Almost done my current series, hopefully I'll be able to sink my teeth back into NotW/WMF before BotL finishes up.
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Have you considered (re)reading something good instead? I have posted several recommendations.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Have you considered (re)reading something good instead? I have posted several recommendations. You may not recall, but earlier I said I'd do a reading with the opposite bias as yours, as I'd never really critically read the series.
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