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Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Fluffy Chainsaw posted:

What are the odds that the CF18 is replaced before the airframe turns 50?

Hahaha holy poo poo the Liberals are totally going to get back on the F-35 train arent they?

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Fluffy Chainsaw
Jul 6, 2016

I'm likely a pissant middle manager who pisses off IT with worthless requests. There is no content within my posts other than a garbage act akin to a know-it-all, which likely is how I behave in real life. It's really hard for me to comprehend how much I am hated by everyone.

Furnaceface posted:

Hahaha holy poo poo the Liberals are totally going to get back on the F-35 train arent they?

Fortunately for Lockheed, Russia has preempted all the "Cold war's over brah" criticism by invading Ukraine, and our new government has done its part by committing 1,000 troops to eastern Europe.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Do it ironically posted:

Still think it was a hate crime and the judge was being intentionally obtuse

More worrying to me is the fact that, since the judge didn't actually use the "well, she was a member of a disadvantaged group committing a crime against a privileged group" in the determination of whether it was a hate crime (probably because the law finds that irrelevant, as written), presumably this decision could be used as precedent in other cases where a hate crime designation is more, shall we say, palatable to the self-hating white people in this thread.

If saying "I hate X people" before assaulting an X person for no other reason isn't enough to have something classified as a hate crime, there are serious problems with our hate crime statutes.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008
Maybe some lucky duck rich white kid at Western or Waterloo will get to use this as precedent when he's brought up on hate crime charges after getting all liquored up and using a no-no word while beating a minority person.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Angry Diplomat posted:

In any case, I'm quite sure the Conservative brand is now pretty solidly associated with regressive (or at best stagnant) social policies in the minds of a fair percentage of voters. It's almost like their reluctance to change with the times has led people to believe that they're unlikely to change with the times. Then again, LGBTory marches are a thing that exist, so who the gently caress even knows anymore.
They replaced Transgender with Tory.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
To put the whole dispute into context, the prosecutor wanted a sentence of 12-15 months and the Crown sentenced the woman to 9 months and a year of probation and counseling.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Fluffy Chainsaw posted:

What are the odds that the CF18 is replaced before the airframe turns 50?

What are the odds it will matter in any way?

THC posted:

They replaced Transgender with Tory.

Yeah, it seems like this is the sort of thing people might make a bigger deal of.

brucio
Nov 22, 2004
Jason Kenney is gonna unite the right in Alberta guys.

Great strategy. Support Wildrose loudly and publicly for the last few years, then run for the leadership of the PCs.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
Jason Kenney cracks me up, I want more of him in the limelight.

quote:

At issue is a Globe story in June that reported that Chan, Ontario’s Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and International Trade, had defended China’s human rights record. In a Chinese-language column, Chan argued, “The starting point for human rights is different for every country and people. Maintain a stance of openness, goodwill, and a mind on development, and the future will be bright.”

The column was written days after Wang Yi, China’s Foreign Minister, berated a Canadian reporter for questioning his country’s human-rights record.

The Globe article quoted Kenney, who raised questions about Chan’s commitment to defending Canada’s interests and human rights principles when they came into opposition with Chinese policy.

The story also said Kenney had been at a Chinese community event and witnessed Chan closing his remarks by pumping his fist in the air and shouting in Mandarin what someone translated as “Long Live the Motherland.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/ontario-mpp-threatens-lawsuit-if-jason-kenney-doesnt-apologize-for-comment

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?


Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

God drat May is a power house of intellect.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

flakeloaf posted:

If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough.

It's takes guts to be that wrong that loudly.

Then again, she leads the Green Party.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
A party that gladly takes in anti-vaxxers and people who believe that non-ionizing radiation is harmful.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

THC posted:

They replaced Transgender with Tory.

I know. They're literally the lovely Entitled White Cis Gay & Lesbian League. They don't even pretend to give a gently caress about anyone else in the queer community.

But hey, the Conservatives are backing down on gay marriage so that makes everything okay! :downs:

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Sep 9, 2022

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

brucio posted:

Jason Kenney is gonna unite the right in Alberta guys.

Great strategy. Support Wildrose loudly and publicly for the last few years, then run for the leadership of the PCs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the distinct impression that Elections Alberta doesn't let parties actually merge and combine finances.

edit: Yup

quote:

But chief electoral officer Glen Resler noted there is no ability under provincial legislation for parties to simply unite.

“Under the current rules, you can’t merge,” he said in an interview.

Provincial political parties in Alberta are also forbidden by law to transfer their assets to one another.

If parties deregister in Alberta, any assets left after they pay their bills are put in trust by Elections Alberta. Those assets can be claimed if the party reregisters, but only as the same entity.

If I gave a lot of money to the Wildrose I did so because I expected that money to buy me something.

Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jul 7, 2016

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/richmond-womans-e-petition-calls-for-end-to-birth-tourism-in-canada

quote:

Richmond woman's e-petition calls for end to birth tourism in Canada

A Richmond woman who is seeking to end so-called birth tourism has more than 1,000 signatures on an electronic petition set to be introduced in the House of Commons.

Kerry Starchuk wants the Liberal government to eliminate automatic citizenship for babies born in Canada to foreigners, unless one of the parents is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident. Canada and the U.S. are the only G7 countries that allow birthright citizenship.

Starchuk said the house next door to her Blundell home of 28 years is operating as a maternity motel for pregnant women from China.

There is no official data about birth tourism. However, Richmond Hospital reported 299 non-resident births (295 to Chinese mothers) out of a total of 1,938 births for the year ended March 31. That represents nearly one out of every six babies born at the hospital.

By comparison, Statistics Canada reported in 2012 that only 699 of 382,568 births across Canada — or about one out of 547 — were reported by mothers who were not Canadian residents.

When Starchuk toured a reporter around her neighbourhood June 4, one obviously pregnant ethnic Chinese woman in a long blue and white maternity dress walked outside of the house accompanied by a male escort.

“I want neighbours, I don’t want people that are coming and going that have no connection here,” said Starchuk, who has campaigned for English to be added to Chinese-only commercial signs in the predominantly Chinese Vancouver suburb.

Starchuk’s Petition e-397, sponsored by Richmond Centre Conservative MP Alice Wong, needed to collect 500 valid signatures by Oct. 14 in order to be referred to the House of Commons for the Liberal government to respond.

It took less than three weeks since the June 16 launch for over 1,000 citizens to sign up. A signatory must enter his or her full name, province, postal code, telephone number and email address for verification by the Clerk of Petitions.

According to the text of the petition, “The practice of ‘Birth Tourism’ can be very costly to taxpayers since it is used to ensure that after the child reaches 18 years of age Canada’s education system can be used at a publicly subsidized cost, and he/she can sponsor his/her parents and many other family members, thus taking advantage of Canada’s public health system and social security programmes such as [Old Age Security] and the [Guaranteed Income Supplement].”

“I don’t have a problem with a baby, but I have a problem with the long-term consequences,” Starchuk said.

“If you’re coming here to have a baby and the baby is going to be here to use a lot of the services, and there’s no commitment until the kid gets older, then there is more take than there is give.”

The chief executive of the SUCCESS multicultural agency said only new immigrants and permanent residents are eligible for federally funded services.

Queenie Choo said SUCCESS serves new immigrants and permanent residents, but it would be wise for government to collect more data on birth tourism.

“It’s important to look into what are the facts or fiction to determine the direction of the policy by the government,” Choo said. “Determining this should be allowed or not allowed is different from somebody caring for the women.”

A Chinese-language website for the house next door to Starchuk advertised accommodation last fall for as low as $35 a night. Van858.com, which is registered to one of the owners of the house, is active, but it displays only a blank page and an access forbidden message. A 2008 website for the house, under the name Vancouver Home Hotel, remains online.

City of Richmond spokesman Ted Townsend said the owners were given advance notice of illegal suite inspections in September 2011 and May 2016, but no bylaw violations were found. A business called Tao Ran Immigration Service was licensed to operate there in 2008, as was Oriental Education Group in 2010. Townsend said there are no current business licences at the address nor are there any applications for a business or a bed and breakfast.

“In both incidents, we had received complaints that the house was being used as a ‘birthing’ hotel, where expectant mothers from outside Canada live prior to giving birth in a local hospital, in order to obtain the level of care and other benefits that go with that,” Townsend said.

“However, that type of use does not specifically contravene any city regulations or is within our jurisdiction to regulate, so we referred the complainant to Health Canada.”

Starchuk said she complained to the Canada Border Services Agency, which said it could do nothing as long as the women had a visa and the ability to pay their hospital bill.

Vancouver Coastal Health spokesman Gavin Wilson said visiting pregnant mothers must pre-register with a physician at a VCH hospital and pay $7,000 to $8,000 for a vaginal delivery and $12,000 to $13,000 for caesarean.

“We don’t ask patients about their motivation for giving births here, but assume there can be a number of reasons,” Wilson said.

“In some cases, they may have applied for and are waiting for residency status or the birth is unexpected. We will never deny hospital care to anyone based on where they are from.”

Between 2005 and 2014, Canada averaged 66,112 family class permanent residents a year, of which 42,750 were in the spouse and partner category.

But there are substantially more Chinese visiting Canada with the ability to stay long periods of time. Last year, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada approved 390,292 multiple entry visas for Chinese nationals, allowing the holders to come and go from Canada up to six months at a time for up to 10 years. By comparison, only 27,739 were approved in 2010.

An internal federal government report, released in 2014 under access to information, considered restricting citizenship by birth on soil. The report, to then-citizenship and immigration minister Jason Kenney, said there was limited data on birth tourism, but “anecdotal information indicates that the problem could be more widespread.”

The report said Canadian embassies and consulates learned indirectly about potential “anchor baby” cases when a foreign citizen applied for a visa and the officer found that the person gave birth on a previous visitor visa or when a consular section received a passport application and neither parent was a Canadian citizen.

At B.C. Women’s Hospital there were only 12 babies delivered to mothers from other countries last year.

Dr. Jan Christilaw, president of B.C. Women’s Hospital, said that in 2007/08, criteria was put in place to define those who could have their babies there, “because everyone wanted to come here” and there are only so many labour and delivery rooms and nurses.

“We can’t provide high-quality, safe care if we are operating over capacity. If we’re telling women there is certain criteria for coming here, then it’s not fair to let people come from other countries. I have a mandate to look after our own people,” she said.

As a result, women from other countries who are short-term visitors cannot deliver at the hospital.

Christilaw conceded it is not a perfect system, as the 12 who delivered last year did “slip through the cracks.”



hahahhaa hoooooly shiiiiiiiiit

now if women's and childrens only collected stats on the genders of fetuses from south asian abortions

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

namaste faggots posted:

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/richmond-womans-e-petition-calls-for-end-to-birth-tourism-in-canada



hahahhaa hoooooly shiiiiiiiiit

now if women's and childrens only collected stats on the genders of fetuses from south asian abortions

She's this idiot:
http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/global-media-flock-to-richmond-mom

Who's behind this group:
https://puttingcanadafirst.ca/site/
https://www.facebook.com/immigrationwatch/
https://www.facebook.com/PuttingCanadaFirst

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
oh deeaar

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/women-human-rights-workout-1.3667359

quote:

A Vancouver man has lost his claim that his human rights are being violated by women-only workout times at a downtown eastside gym.

According to a B.C. Human Rights Tribunal decision, Craig Teneycke's complaint against the City of Vancouver and the Ray-Cam Community Centre has no reasonable prospect of succeeding.

"The respondents are likely to succeed in establishing that setting aside the two-hour women only time slot in a fitness centre is rationally connected to the goal of providing vulnerable women with a safe environment in which to exercise as part of ongoing efforts to improve the health of these women," wrote tribunal member Vladimir Pylypchuk.

"If men were permitted to exercise along with women, that would defeat the very purpose of providing a safe place, or a safe environment for women who feel vulnerable in such circumstances."

'Stereotype that women are helpless'

Teneycke claimed he was discriminated against in September 2014 when a Ray-Cam clerk told him the weight room was reserved for women daily from 1 to 3 p.m.

As part of his submissions, he claimed he was "verbally assaulted, intimidated and threatened" by another patron at a different time when he asked him how many sets he had left on one of the machines.

"According to the complainant, removing two hours from a 12-hour day leaves males with only 10 hours in which to work out and greatly increases the risk of interaction between abusers and other peaceful male users of the gym," the decision reads.

"The complainant goes on to argue that by setting aside time for women only, Ray-Cam is actually feeding the stereotype that women are helpless and need protection."

'Not always a one-size-fits-all solution'

In his quixotic attempt to gain access for all at Ray-Cam's weight training room, Teneycke challenged the conclusions of the landmark 2006 decision: Stopps v. Just Ladies Fitness.

In both cases, the tribunal members said there was no doubt that men were being discriminated against on the basis of their gender. But that wasn't the end of the considerations.

In order for a human rights complaint to succeed a complainant would have to prove that the discrimination had resulted in some kind of adverse effect. And in both cases, there was no lack of other fitness facilities men could attend.

"The complainant's arguments are no more than a lukewarm attempt to counter what has long been recognized in human rights law concerning the historical disadvantage endured by women" Pylypchuk writes.

"This argument misses the point that, in some circumstances, it is necessary to treat people differently in order to attain true equality, particularly when dealing with historical inequality or vulnerable classes of person. It is not always a one-size-fits-all solution."


i know how much you guys love gender studies

here's his pic btw:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/craig-teneycke-11453ba

surprise he's a trinity western grad

in communications

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

namaste faggots posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/women-human-rights-workout-1.3667359


i know how much you guys love gender studies

here's his pic btw:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/craig-teneycke-11453ba

surprise he's a trinity western grad

in communications

Not his first rodeo either:
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/tribunal-allows-complaint-from-man-evicted-for-his-gender-1.984072

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/kenney-to-announce-run-for-pc-leadership-on-wednesday

quote:

The Calgary Midnapore MP is making an announcement in Calgary at noon on Wednesday and sources have confirmed he will announce a run for the leadership on a platform of unifying conservatives in the PC and Wildrose parties.

The PC party will elect a permanent leader to replace interim chief Ric McIver at a delegated convention on March 18, 2017.

But Tories at the party’s annual general meeting in May, voted to rebuild the party under the PC brand, rejecting calls to unite the right.

There are also questions on how Kenney, a staunch fiscal and social conservative, will fit with a PC party with a strong contingent of moderates and Red Tories.

Susan Elliott, campaign manager of the PCs’ successful 2012 provincial election campaign, said there’s no doubt Kenney will be the front-runner if he enters the race.

“But he will have opposition. And that opposition, I think, will be strongly held,” said Elliott.

“Let’s call this what it is. In order for him to win, he has to take over the existing party. He will be brushing aside the people, for the most part, who are holding the party together during these tough times.”

Elliott said there will be an urgency for progressives, such as herself, to find a candidate with the ability to take on Kenney and “put up an alternate vision of the party.”

The prospect of Kenney running for the PC leadership has already set off a furious reaction among some Tories, with Calgary-North West MLA Sandra Jansen saying she would not serve under Kenney, and former cabinet minister Thomas Lukaszuk calling for him to be barred from the leadership contest.

But one PC activist who will have a role in Kenney’s campaign said he believes the MP is prepared to reach out to the disparate camps within Tory ranks, and can succeed in healing the divisions between the PCs and Wildrose.

“This will be a very big tent,” said the source.

Kenney’s entrance into the Tory leadership race will also raise major questions for the Wildrose Party, which recently announced it was dropping any notion of consolidating with other parties.

In a statement, Wildrose Leader Brian Jean said the party “stands firm in its conservative identity” and will continue to build across the province.

“Over the next year, the PC party will be involved in a divisive battle as they debate their stated pledge at their recent AGM to go it alone,” said Jean, a former Conservative MP who served with Kenney.

“It would be wrong to speculate further on the leadership race for the third party until this is resolved.”

Wildrose was formed by conservatives disgruntled with the PC government in 2008, and the two parties have been engaged in a vicious political fight even as attempts have been made to reunite. In 2014, then Wildrose leader Danielle Smith led a mass floor-crossing of most of her MLAs to the Tories under Jim Prentice, another former Conservative MP.

But the four-decade PC dynasty was sent to third place by the NDP in last year’s provincial election, while the Wildrose rebounded to again form the official Opposition.

Smith, now a radio host after losing her bid for a Tory nomination in 2015, said Tuesday she still believes conservatives should unite, though she’s not convinced Kenney is the person to do it.

“It’s going to be an uphill battle for him … because of some of the positions that he has taken on conservative social issues in the past,” she said.

“There has to be a fundamental recognition that Calgary and Edmonton are far more progressive on social issues than the rural areas, whether it’s assisted dying, whether it’s abortion, whether it’s LGBTQ rights, whether it’s pot legalization.”

Kenney, 48, was first elected as a Reform MP in 1997. Under Stephen Harper, he served as minister for defence, citizenship and immigration, and employment. He has been viewed as a potential federal leader.

Following his Calgary event, where he will not take questions, Kenney will travel to Grande Prairie to make a speech. On Thursday, he will hold a news conference in Edmonton and do interviews.

While he will face obstacles, Kenney will also find a receptive audience for the message of merging parties. Since the NDP’s rise to power, organizations such as the Alberta Prosperity Fund and Alberta Can’t Wait have sprung up to push conservative unity.

The Alberta Prosperity Fund, a self-styled political action committee chaired by former Wildrose interim leader Heather Forsyth, announced Tuesday it endorsed Kenney for the PC leadership.

Alberta Can't Wait and Alberta Prosperity Fund sound like groups that are full of old white men or people who'd rather see Alberta continue be a shithole than anything else. Kenney is just a big business leader being put in and is likely going to be no better than Jim Prentice who of course was not in it to be noble but to serve the needs of the business community--hence why he resigned outright when his party lost.

Alberta Can't Wait to be a shithole. :allears:

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
why the gently caress are people rallying behind jason kenny, arguably the most successful university dropout in professional politics

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Jason Kenney is a hateful bit of filth and I dearly hope he exits public life in the most ignominious fashion possible after a resounding and thoroughly embarrassing electoral defeat.

I'd even vote NDP to make sure it happens, that's how much I hate the giant, anthropomorphic penis that is Jason Kenney.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
he looks a bit like a pedo doesn't he?


look at that he's on his way to trade 'cheese pizza' on tor

namaste friends fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jul 7, 2016

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

namaste faggots posted:

he looks a bit like a pedo doesn't he?

Not quite as much as Jim Prentice, and about equal to Special Ed Stelmach. Apparently looking like a pedo is de rigueur for PC leaders; we can only speculate as to why.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

He's way fatter and more disgusting than I remembered. Sad!

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters

PT6A posted:

Jason Kenney is a hateful bit of filth and I dearly hope he exits public life in the most ignominious fashion possible after a resounding and thoroughly embarrassing electoral defeat.

I'd even vote NDP to make sure it happens, that's how much I hate the giant, anthropomorphic penis that is Jason Kenney.

Well I guess we need to clone him and send one to every province and territory. it's the only way to be sure.

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)
The young tory twats in the background really make this picture. Universities churn out malformed Randians, and then they brown-nose their way onto the wingnut circuit.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
"and then I stroked both of their butts like this"

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
I love how Kenney called the NDP government an "accident."

Like, oops, Alberta just sort of tripped and now Rachel Notley has a majority somehow.

Was being reduced to 3rd place after abusing the trust of the most loyal voters in the country an accident too?

EDIT: I just looked at more pictures from that event and lol at the kid behind him with the greasy hair, wearing an orange tie to a PC event.

HackensackBackpack fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Jul 7, 2016

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice

When you're in the background of a Jason Kenney in a speech and the drugs kick in

Stretch Marx
Apr 29, 2008

I'm ok with this.

Constant Hamprince posted:


When you're in the background of a Jason Kenney in a speech and the drugs kick in

"I could just, like, walk up there and snap his neck..."

Fluffy Chainsaw
Jul 6, 2016

I'm likely a pissant middle manager who pisses off IT with worthless requests. There is no content within my posts other than a garbage act akin to a know-it-all, which likely is how I behave in real life. It's really hard for me to comprehend how much I am hated by everyone.
Electoral reform is an important issue, and we will treat it with the seriousness and respect that it



Edit:

https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/e...-community.html

One is more embarrassing than the other. (Hint: It's not the Ottawa Citizen link)

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

namaste faggots posted:

why the gently caress are people rallying behind jason kenny, arguably the most successful university dropout in professional politics

Trudeau dropped out of University engineering and then again from a masters of Environmental Geography.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Kenny left without a degree presumable because it was too hard

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Ikantski posted:

Trudeau dropped out of University engineering and then again from a masters of Environmental Geography.

He already had 2 degrees by then.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

CLAM DOWN posted:

He already had 2 degrees by then.

Was one of them the one he used to become a (*derisive chuckle*)drama teacher!? :chord:

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Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Teaching degrees are a bit more rigorous for rich people as they usually have a work placement part that's mandatory. Other degrees you just need to throw money at and you're good to go

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