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EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo
I am in a pickle. For my Nexus 6p, I love running the phone with frequent updates from Google (until they randomly decide to stop doing it) but I want to know if there is a way to install an some applications as root, then remove the root while leaving the application behind still running as root.

Mainly, the first thing will be an adblocker because Chrome is so abusable by millions of alerts and popups when I go to sites I normally visit that have never given me issues before.

The reason I don't want to keep SuperSU or whatever just to prevent me from a fat finger giving some malware permission to just utterly gently caress up my poo poo.

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Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

EVIL Gibson posted:

I am in a pickle. For my Nexus 6p, I love running the phone with frequent updates from Google (until they randomly decide to stop doing it) but I want to know if there is a way to install an some applications as root, then remove the root while leaving the application behind still running as root.

Mainly, the first thing will be an adblocker because Chrome is so abusable by millions of alerts and popups when I go to sites I normally visit that have never given me issues before.

The reason I don't want to keep SuperSU or whatever just to prevent me from a fat finger giving some malware permission to just utterly gently caress up my poo poo.

What lovely sites are these?

Blitter
Mar 16, 2011

EVIL Gibson posted:

I am in a pickle. For my Nexus 6p, I love running the phone with frequent updates from Google (until they randomly decide to stop doing it) but I want to know if there is a way to install an some applications as root, then remove the root while leaving the application behind still running as root.

Mainly, the first thing will be an adblocker because Chrome is so abusable by millions of alerts and popups when I go to sites I normally visit that have never given me issues before.

The reason I don't want to keep SuperSU or whatever just to prevent me from a fat finger giving some malware permission to just utterly gently caress up my poo poo.

Running an application as root is always going to require the mechanism for privilege escalation, which is to say, no, you cannot do what you want.

You could use firefox and an adblocking addon instead, which doesn't require root.

Your fear of accidentally giving away root permissions seems wildly unlikely unless you enjoy downloading and installing semi-random .apks, followed by not paying attention whatsoever.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

If you were rooted you could set SuperSU to accept privilege escalation for AdAway then set it to auto-deny anything that asks with no prompt. No risk of fat-fingering a prompt that never shows.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Blitter posted:

Your fear of accidentally giving away root permissions seems wildly unlikely unless you enjoy downloading and installing semi-random .apks, followed by not paying attention whatsoever.

and even if you are doing this and don't want to stop, you could just set the default action for SuperSU to deny and manually grant access to the apps you want through the main SuperSU interface

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Alternatively, stop going to deepweb porn and pirate streaming sites on your phone.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


1) Technically everyone's Gmail is part of the deep web. But sure, scare and shame tactics, rad as hell. (I don't actually care what you were trying to say, because I can only evaluate what you said based on what you said.)

2) Even sites like CNN serve up virus-laden ads these days. Tons of porn and warez there.

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


One alternative that I considered (before figuring out mobile Firefox could adblock) was setting up a VPN or proxy server at my house which would handle the blocking. That's accessible if you're even the least bit technical.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




azurite posted:

One alternative that I considered (before figuring out mobile Firefox could adblock) was setting up a VPN or proxy server at my house which would handle the blocking. That's accessible if you're even the least bit technical.

Sounds like a pi-hole to me

I've got one set up that works marvelously

https://pi-hole.net/

Only works on your home network though

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Sir Unimaginative posted:

1) Technically everyone's Gmail is part of the deep web. But sure, scare and shame tactics, rad as hell. (I don't actually care what you were trying to say, because I can only evaluate what you said based on what you said.)

2) Even sites like CNN serve up virus-laden ads these days. Tons of porn and warez there.

I guess it's a good thing that if you don't go around breaking your phone's security model intentionally that getting viruses from ads is impossible.

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo

Endless Mike posted:

Alternatively, stop going to deepweb porn and pirate streaming sites on your phone.

This is sites that just have bad mobile ad campaigns. Like bluesnews.com and stackoverflow.

I'll try firefox. I just appreciate some of the things chrome does well like html5 video.


Skarsnik posted:

Sounds like a pi-hole to me

I've got one set up that works marvelously

https://pi-hole.net/

Only works on your home network though


Wow, read up on this and this is pretty cool.

EVIL Gibson fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jul 9, 2016

Mnemosyne
Jun 11, 2002

There's no safe way to put a cat in a paper bag!!
I need a phone recommendation for a ridiculous fringe-use scenario. I have a 4 year old that wants to be able to play Pokemon Go. I'm on TMobile, so my plan is to get him a phone without service, use my phone as a hotspot and let him play that way. The only things I want from this phone are:
- as cheap as possible
- has to run Marshmallow, because Doze was a gamechanger for battery life

I have an old HTC One M7 that I dug out of a drawer, and I've been trying to get Cyanogenmod (which I think is only going to update it to Lollipop anyway) to run on it for several days, but I keep getting stuck in a reboot loop and I'm at the point where I'm tired of wasting time on it and I'm ready to just buy him something. I was thinking one of the last-gen Motorola's are probably the best bang for the buck, but figured you guys might know if there were any awesome deals on other phones. Refurbs are fine too.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008
While cheap phone recommendations are being mentioned: What's my best option in the $100-200 range for something cost-effective that should last for awhile. Mostly just looking for a decent camera, unlocked or t-mobile compatible, and can play something like Ingress or Go without the battery life instantly vanishing.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Mnemosyne posted:

I need a phone recommendation for a ridiculous fringe-use scenario. I have a 4 year old that wants to be able to play Pokemon Go. I'm on TMobile, so my plan is to get him a phone without service, use my phone as a hotspot and let him play that way. The only things I want from this phone are:
- as cheap as possible
- has to run Marshmallow, because Doze was a gamechanger for battery life

I have an old HTC One M7 that I dug out of a drawer, and I've been trying to get Cyanogenmod (which I think is only going to update it to Lollipop anyway) to run on it for several days, but I keep getting stuck in a reboot loop and I'm at the point where I'm tired of wasting time on it and I'm ready to just buy him something. I was thinking one of the last-gen Motorola's are probably the best bang for the buck, but figured you guys might know if there were any awesome deals on other phones. Refurbs are fine too.

prepaid moto e or moto g, just don't activate it. Verizon has the e for like 35 bucks. unsure if it has marshmallow tho, prolly not

sleepwalkers
Dec 7, 2008


Zerilan posted:

While cheap phone recommendations are being mentioned: What's my best option in the $100-200 range for something cost-effective that should last for awhile. Mostly just looking for a decent camera, unlocked or t-mobile compatible, and can play something like Ingress or Go without the battery life instantly vanishing.

Well, $100-200 and "should last for a while" are sorta contradictory, but anything halfway decent is going to be at $200, no cheaper. The Asus ZenFone (2?) is apparently not bad, and it sounds like the new Moto G is an alright phone as well.

Edit: Also you could wait 'til the new round of Nexus phones come out and see what the 5x drops to, it's I think $280 retail right now.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008

sleepwalkers posted:

Well, $100-200 and "should last for a while" are sorta contradictory, but anything halfway decent is going to be at $200, no cheaper. The Asus ZenFone (2?) is apparently not bad, and it sounds like the new Moto G is an alright phone as well.

Edit: Also you could wait 'til the new round of Nexus phones come out and see what the 5x drops to, it's I think $280 retail right now.

Well by awhile I guess I mean more like, 2 years? Through the rest of my time in school + relocating after. I'll take a look at the zenfone though. I also have prime so I can get the deals there for the Moto g, but wasn't sure if there were any better options than that.

Mnemosyne
Jun 11, 2002

There's no safe way to put a cat in a paper bag!!
I ended up placing an order just now for the BLU R1 HD that Amazon is running a deal on right now. It's probably not a great phone, but $50 is a reasonable price point for a phone I'm going to hand to a 4 year old.

SystemLogoff
Feb 19, 2011

End Session?

Pokemon Go requires lots of walking around, so I hope you enjoy long walks with your hotspotted kid.

That sounds sort of cute to be honest.

Daddddd, it's only 2KM, let's walk to the park and baccccckkkkkk~

Macatt
May 3, 2005
I'm new to using Android, having recently acquired a Galaxy tablet. What do I need to know regarding security permissions when downloading apps?

I've been checking the permission requirements each time I find an app that looks useful, and 90%+ of them require, among other suspicious things, "access to my SD card, with the ability to change/delete files". Why in the world would I want to allow a basic TV remote control app to have access to my SD card files? It doesn't seem to be a matter of simply needing to store the app's program files on the SD card, as several apps (including a notepad-like app that actually needs to store user-created data) don't have that requirement--or any special requirements at all.

Many of the permission requirements seem unnecessary to me, with the SD card one being the most notable security risk. Why do so many simplistic apps need a whole list of special permissions, when it's obvious that they can get by with none? Am I being paranoid in avoiding these apps?

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



E: never mind

triple sulk fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jul 10, 2016

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

apowe posted:

Am I being paranoid in avoiding these apps?
Yes and no. There's good apps, bad apps and a lot in between. The more prestigious an app manufacturer is (think like Dropbox) the more reasonable the requests usually are. Except sometimes not. Welcome to Android.

The best thing would be to update your tablet to 6.0 Marshmallow which allows a granular approach to permissions. However considering

apowe posted:

having recently acquired a Galaxy tablet.
it might not be in the cards for you :v:

Kerbtree
Sep 8, 2008

BAD FALCON!
LAZY!
You're wise to avoid anything with permissions that don't match its function e.g. a torch app that wants your contacts and Internet access. Do bear in mind that some of the groups cover more than the name implies at first glance.

Apps with settings will need read/write permission to make/use their config file.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




Also good devs list all the permissions and why they are needed in the play store description.

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009

Kerbtree posted:

You're wise to avoid anything with permissions that don't match its function e.g. a torch app that wants your contacts and Internet access. Do bear in mind that some of the groups cover more than the name implies at first glance.

Apps with settings will need read/write permission to make/use their config file.

Fwiw, Google decided that Internet access, of all things, is not included in permissions - any app can access the internet from your phone by default;

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

Kerbtree posted:

Do bear in mind that some of the groups cover more than the name implies at first glance.

This. People have freaked out on previous versions of Android because permissions like "access your contacts" were needed for things like showing who is calling when a phone call interrupts the app (or something like that). Worrying about SD card read/write privileges on any app is really unnecessary, though, as apps basically cannot be malicious to your SD card on modern Android (right?!).

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

By

Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib
Nm

sharkytm fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jul 11, 2016

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Kerbtree posted:

You're wise to avoid anything with permissions that don't match its function e.g. a torch app that wants your contacts and Internet access. Do bear in mind that some of the groups cover more than the name implies at first glance.

Apps with settings will need read/write permission to make/use their config file.

This is particularly pressing given the way the Pokemon app took off and got released in APAC before NA. People were so desperate to get the app a day early that they downloaded a malware-infested apk that asked for a whole assload of permissions like reading/sending SMS messages.

Mogomra
Nov 5, 2005

simply having a wonderful time

FAUXTON posted:

This is particularly pressing given the way the Pokemon app took off and got released in APAC before NA. People were so desperate to get the app a day early that they downloaded a malware-infested apk that asked for a whole assload of permissions like reading/sending SMS messages.

Funny you should mention this.

https://twitter.com/PokemonGoApp/status/752548248326381568

:laugh:

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

After dropping my Nexus 5 onto some lovely soft concrete, the screen is finished. Bits of it have already started coming off so I'm really needing either a new phone or new screen. New screens run about £90, I could be getting a 5X for about £200 so I'm thinking it's probably worth just going for a wholly new phone. Of course then that started me off thinking about whether I really want a 5X basic phone that is probably going to be superseded by a new model in a few months.

So I'm fishing for thoughts and opinions. I've been pretty happy with the 5, although even basic games like CoC get it pretty hot and I haven't been very impressed with battery life for any kind of non-phone usage. Phone gets used mostly for podcasts, sometimes Clash of Clanning or browsing forums so I don't feel like I need a bleeding edge model. More battery life would be really good. My only other thing is I've only ever had stock android on Nexus devices for phones, I'm not hard core against manufacturer specific models (and now that Google are compartmentalising things for faster OS updates it's even less of a concern) but feel like I need a reason to go for something outside that. Budget wise kind of flexible, UK based, won't go much over £400 (but would prefer the lower budget end).

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Get a Moto G4 for £169 to tide you over until the new Nexus and either sell it off or keep it as a spare?

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.
I'm kind of in a bind. I need a good type c charger for my nexus 6p (mine broke) but I know that there have been issues with type-c cables not being standard. So thus far I have only trusted the chargers on the google store but I need a charger now, looking locally I seem to be unable to find any type c chargers at the moment.

Does anyone know where I can pick up a type c charger for my nexus 6p at a brick and mortar?

E.T. NO HOMO
Jan 27, 2007

but you say he's
just a friend
Any suggestions for cleaning out the charging port on the 6P? I've got the white one so it's really easy to spot the grime in there.

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?
A toothpick or paper clip has always worked well for me with micro USB ports.

Blitter
Mar 16, 2011

MrNemo posted:

After dropping my Nexus 5 onto some lovely soft concrete, the screen is finished. Bits of it have already started coming off so I'm really needing either a new phone or new screen. New screens run about £90, [snip]

Ebay.co.uk has replacement screen/digitizers for 14-20£ I paid 40$ (cdn) for mine cheap replacement a year or so ago, and while a little fiddly, it wasn't hard. Check ifixit for a guide if you are curious, and want to postpone till the next release cycle.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars



Maybe if Google didn't decide to hold some of the apps on my stock Marshmallow phone back for five versions and half a year I wouldn't have to go outside Google Play for security updates.

Staggering is no good when there's no way to poke the system to ever give you current software again.

But for once that isn't Nintendo's problems with the Internet.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

Sir Unimaginative posted:

go outside Google Play for security updates.

you deserve anything you get.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


RZA Encryption posted:

you deserve anything you get.

So I deserve to have my phone abandoned by Google Play entirely because some dipshit at Google forgot to add a phone from 2014 to their whitelist. Also if you're so adamant about this and want to stay philosophically consistent you should probably start up a campaign to criminalize sideloading, although I doubt even you want to see what's down that road.

Wait, by 'anything', you don't mean-

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jul 11, 2016

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Blitter posted:

Ebay.co.uk has replacement screen/digitizers for 14-20£ I paid 40$ (cdn) for mine cheap replacement a year or so ago, and while a little fiddly, it wasn't hard. Check ifixit for a guide if you are curious, and want to postpone till the next release cycle.

Buying a dead Nexus 5 with an intact screen and swapping the main boards might be even easier. The Nexus 5 and 5X are pretty easy to disassemble, especially since there isn't much adhesive to deal with. I'd probably go that route since the dropped phone probably acquired some scuffs when dropped.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Sir Unimaginative posted:

So I deserve to have my phone abandoned by Google Play entirely because some dipshit at Google forgot to add a phone from 2014 to their whitelist. Also if you're so adamant about this and want to stay philosophically consistent you should probably start up a campaign to criminalize sideloading, although I doubt even you want to see what's down that road.

Wait, by 'anything', you don't mean-
I'm sure Galaxy S5's and Nexus 5's got the update, and that's all that really matters.

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dhamster
Aug 5, 2013

I got into my car and ate my chalupa with a feeling of accomplishment.
I got the first gen Moto G about two years ago and I think I'm ready for an upgrade--it's starting to get a bit sluggish on newer apps. Is there a new go-to recommendation for a reliable budget phone? Are the new Moto Gs any good?

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