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Jewel Repetition posted:This is possibly the most regressive post I've seen on here. i think most of what passes for progressive are actually the attempts to mold ones life around a mechanized impersonal capitalistic (or communistic as the case may be) society that puts The Future, and/or profits and production ahead of individuals. So i don't stand for progressive causes just because they are progressive.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:08
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Hey nml check out rogue legacy, seems like it'd be really up your alley
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Tautologicus posted:Lineages including behavior, emotional patterns, inclinations and so on are passed down from parent to child and that continuity is important for many reasons, to do otherwise introduces chaos and confusion into human societies. Impose mandatory brother-sister marriages where possible to preserve purity of blood, imo.
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shiksa posted:Hey nml check out rogue legacy, seems like it'd be really up your alley ok ty looks interesting maybe.. Jack of Hearts posted:Impose mandatory brother-sister marriages where possible to preserve purity of blood, imo. imposing anything is not necessary, and incest creates bad genes. anyway these are cultural reformations not legal ones. they have to happen naturally. not even reforms, just a different way for people to think about things. it's basic perspectives that change behaviors.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:09
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Tautologicus posted:i'm not opposed to adoption in the sense of banning it, im opposed to widespread adoption as kind of "we must do this" idea. a good friend of mine, now kind of in the past but a lot of things feel in the past now, he was adopted from a south american country and ive just seen his identity issues growing up from his mid teens to now, 15 years, issues ive never seen in anyone who knew their parents. was a street kid in his home country but at least that was his home country. i dunno, not therefore everyone has crippling identity issues, but the point is the general rule i think is that genetic parents ought to be far preferable to the alternatives. News flash, DNA doesn't account for anything in regards to behavioral differences between cultures. Believing that is kind of racist!
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Jul 10, 2016 20:10
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Jewel Repetition posted:This is possibly the most regressive post I've seen on here. He worked hard on the wording.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:10
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Tautologicus posted:i'm not opposed to adoption in the sense of banning it, im opposed to widespread adoption as kind of "we must do this" idea. a good friend of mine, now kind of in the past but a lot of things feel in the past now, he was adopted from a south american country and ive just seen his identity issues growing up from his mid teens to now, 15 years, issues ive never seen in anyone who knew their parents. was a street kid in his home country but at least that was his home country. i dunno, not therefore everyone has crippling identity issues, but the point is the general rule i think is that genetic parents ought to be far preferable to the alternatives. out of all the stupid poo poo you come up with this takes the cake im sure that kid would rather deal with some identity issues over starving in the streets and doing god knows what the gently caress to survive
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Jul 10, 2016 20:10
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I'm sure that kid would be much better off as an African orphan than having been adopted
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Jul 10, 2016 20:10
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Tarezax posted:News flash, DNA doesn't account for anything in regards to behavioral differences between cultures. Believing that is kind of racist! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
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Jul 10, 2016 20:11
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If two sets of identical twins have kids together and one set dies, its okay for the other twins to adopt the newly orphaned kids. Other than that, ehhh
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Defiance posted:I was kind of with you on the mental health debate, at least I understood what you were driving at, but being opposed to adoption is pretty hosed up? I mean, how can you not support widespread adoption? The kids would just end up abandoned and stuck in a lovely government-run system. A lot of Taut's opinions also have little to no evidence afaict supporting the idea that biological parents are any better than a set of surrogates given a certain starting age of child rearing. A good environment is a good environment regardless if the parents are unrelated to the child, the same gender, or what have you. SES and caregiver educational levels probably have more to do with child outcomes than the genetic parenthood of the child. Hell, there's research saying that after several months to a year, iirc, having the child spend much of their time in day care doesn't affect closeness to parents compared to them not going to daycare and having a stay at home parent. There's a whole slew of factors that affect child development and heritage is probably one of the lest significant ones with external factors affecting it like race. The foster care and adoption system is a different issue than whether or not homosexual couples can adopt children, IMO, but they're not completely unlinked.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:12
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Raiad posted:I'm sure that kid would be much better off as an African orphan than having been adopted See now this is racist. At least he would be part of his home country and culture, knowing at least something of his background and from whence he came. culture, the emotional experience of it, encodes itself in the genes too i believe
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Jul 10, 2016 20:12
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Tautologicus posted:incest creates bad genes No it doesn't. Tacky-Ass Rococco fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jul 10, 2016 |
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Jul 10, 2016 20:14
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Xelkelvos posted:Hell, there's research saying that after several months to a year, iirc, having the child spend much of their time in day care doesn't affect closeness to parents compared to them not going to daycare and having a stay at home parent. T Not going to get into all this and the rest but by the way this is just attempting to normalize an aberration of production, work and profit in an out of control system that requires that both parents work full time during one of the richest periods in human history. And so on. not gonna buy this junk outright. Youre trying to normalize wholly unnatural (and for pay) parenting schemes
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Jack of Hearts posted:No it doesn't. inbreeding is a thing, pakistani british have a much much MUCH higher rate of birth defects than the average british caucasian citizen, thats because they all marry their cousins. you're totally wrong. also syrians, they will be a huge drag on the european health systems as they come in numbers, lots of kids with health issues from birth
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Jul 10, 2016 20:17
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Tautologicus posted:See now this is racist. At least he would be part of his home country and culture, knowing at least something of his background and from whence he came. culture, the emotional experience of it, encodes itself in the genes too i believe what the hell is wrong with you. how are you this ignorant and wrongheaded. if you werent so candid all the time i would assume its some kind of masterful troll
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Jul 10, 2016 20:17
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you ever heard of maslow's hierarchy of needs? you seem intent of being ignorant or skeptical of even the most basic of concepts
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Jul 10, 2016 20:20
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babypolis posted:what the hell is wrong with you. how are you this ignorant and wrongheaded. if you werent so candid all the time i would assume its some kind of masterful troll its not like im against interracial marriage and children, i just think people ought to know who their parents are.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:20
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Tautologicus posted:imposing anything is not necessary, and incest creates bad genes. anyway these are cultural reformations not legal ones. they have to happen naturally. not even reforms, just a different way for people to think about things. it's basic perspectives that change behaviors. Incest doesn't create anything. It increases the likelihood of recessive traits being passed on which may or may not be bad (certain forms of Dwarfism are actually genetically dominant), but it doesn't increase the likelihood of mutation or create anything. Tautologicus posted:Not going to get into all this and the rest but by the way this is just attempting to normalize an aberration of production, work and profit in an out of control system that requires that both parents work full time during one of the richest periods in human history. And so on. not gonna buy this junk outright. Youre trying to normalize wholly unnatural (and for pay) parenting schemes The only difference between Day Care and communal child rearing, in theory, is one is for profit and the other isn't.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:20
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Tautologicus posted:its not like im against interracial marriage and children, i just think people ought to know who their parents are. So is it about culture and genetics being intertwined or is it about adopted parents being inferior in some undefined way
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Jul 10, 2016 20:23
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Jul 10, 2016 20:23
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Tautologicus posted:See now this is racist. At least he would be part of his home country and culture, knowing at least something of his background and from whence he came. culture, the emotional experience of it, encodes itself in the genes too i believe [citation needed]
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Jul 10, 2016 20:24
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Tautologicus posted:culture, the emotional experience of it, encodes itself in the genes too i believe quote:incest creates bad genes Interestingly, the guy who thinks Hitler was perhaps misunderstood doesn't understand what genes are.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:25
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Tautologicus posted:culture, the emotional experience of it, encodes itself in the genes too i believe Ahahahhaaaa did you get yr science education from the Dune novels?
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Jul 10, 2016 20:25
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Strangle orphans in their cribs imo
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Jul 10, 2016 20:25
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better at hey die than forced to accept a mongrel lineage
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Jul 10, 2016 20:26
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Tautologicus posted:See now this is racist. At least he would be part of his home country and culture, knowing at least something of his background and from whence he came. culture, the emotional experience of it, encodes itself in the genes too i believe its good you believe things that are really dumb but you don't have to talk about it
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Jul 10, 2016 20:26
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Xelkelvos posted:Incest doesn't create anything. It increases the likelihood of recessive traits being passed on which may or may not be bad (certain forms of Dwarfism are actually genetically dominant), but it doesn't increase the likelihood of mutation or create anything. ok i misspoke on "creating", but its effectively the same thing. and yes i know about recessive genes. thats just a technical quibble than an actual argument though unless youre going after credibility. And I disagree. communal child rearing is communal. day care is for profit and from larger areas and populations, many of the families barely or if at all know each other when they first go in. not that day care can't be communal, but it's not intended to be some kind of communal child rearing system, and so it isn't. it's impersonal from beginning to end, even if people get to know each other in the process, almost inadvertently. trust between parents is not necessary, only with the owner.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:26
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Christ, what an rear end in a top hat. This is the new leader of the Party of Reagan, everyone. It's
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Xelkelvos posted:[citation needed] you can extrapolate it from the existence of epigenetics, or genes recoding themselves within a person and then passing from parent to child. stress is passed down, trauma is passed down. it's all passed down. good and bad.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:29
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MadJackal posted:Christ, what an rear end in a top hat. its not even the party of reagan now. its the party of trump or it will be. even if he loses the GOP is kinda hosed.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:30
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Please something happen with Trump so this conversation can end.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:30
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Jack of Hearts posted:Interestingly, the guy who thinks Hitler was perhaps misunderstood doesn't understand what genes are. ok so you're after the slander and mockery angle here. you should check up on the birth defects among immigrant populations in britain. here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...g-children.html http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-23183102 http://www.bbc.com/news/health-23180425 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ldren-risk.html you're welcome
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Jul 10, 2016 20:31
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Tautologicus posted:I think I'm finally alright with owning up to being a failson..I never lived up to my parent's expectations, but I don't think I ever really wanted to. I barely ever even tried. I never excelled in anything as a kid and never really had any hobbies of note, although I was well read, creative to an extent and physically in shape. I went to a good public high school and dropped out the day I turned 16. I never wanted to look back. It's funny though, that I always had dreams afterwards about being back in high school at whatever age I was then. I consider that point my divergence from my fate, and everything after that was "off the record". I think I spent many times trying to scramble back onto my "fate". Some course, some path to take through life. I worked as a taxi driver and in IT and later a prop stock trading firm (where I made very little). I joined the Marines and got out after 2 years.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:31
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i think it's bad to feed the multi-trillion-dollar international orphan adoption industry by murdering african childrens' parents. i think tautologicus and i stand together on this one. say No to Big Orphan Adoption!
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Jul 10, 2016 20:32
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Jewel Repetition posted:Please something happen with Trump so this conversation can end. Well trump should be releasing the convention schedule two days ago. All this talk got me thinking, I have a friend who doesn't believe outer space is real and maybe I shouldn't have introduced her to last podcast on the left. I'm kind of worried about her hearing the hollow earth episode.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:33
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shiksa posted:So is it about culture and genetics being intertwined or is it about adopted parents being inferior in some undefined way first part, i don't think adopting parents are inferior.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:33
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Jewel Repetition posted:Please something happen with Trump so this conversation can end. Trump's throwing a tantrum on Twitter right now, but you guys seem to be more interested in arguing with an obvious troll for some reason
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