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Support lulu took a win % hit, there is gonna be basically no way they can force lulu into being a good support and not run as a solo laner is there?
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Jul 10, 2016 19:31
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Neurolimal posted:Were they? I never heard any hubbub about EXP runes back then, and I'm surprised because I never saw a gimmick Gangplank/Zilean EXP rune duo lane. Experience runes have always been in the game and Zilean could afk and his passive would still benefit Gangplank.
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Jul 10, 2016 19:32
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One of the easiest ARAMs i've ever won involved our team having an afk zilean and ending up several levels ahead of the enemy team between that passive and only sharing exp four ways.
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Jul 10, 2016 19:34
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Support lulu took a win % hit, there is gonna be basically no way they can force lulu into being a good support and not run as a solo laner is there? Man, i THOUGHT she felt lovely. I was so eager to make lulu support work, but she just doesn't have enough impact. I'm starting to feel like I straight up can't play a support without hard CC on QWE somewhere. Leena and Brad are my main squeezes.
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Jul 10, 2016 19:35
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i want rammus to have buffs he's my friend
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Jul 10, 2016 19:39
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Support lulu took a win % hit, there is gonna be basically no way they can force lulu into being a good support and not run as a solo laner is there?
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Jul 10, 2016 19:40
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rabidsquid posted:One of the easiest ARAMs i've ever won involved our team having an afk zilean and ending up several levels ahead of the enemy team between that passive and only sharing exp four ways. Meanwhile the worst ARAM that I've had involved losing a 2v5 because we had 3 feeders including an Akali who bought 0 items.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:21
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Voxx posted:Experience runes have always been in the game and Zilean could afk and his passive would still benefit Gangplank. Yeah, but Zilean is/was a nice buddy with Old Gangplank, on account of old GP having no crowd control and low speed.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:39
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Bell_ posted:Makes me want to try on-hit Lulu again. Yes, because you don't take Lulu for glitterlance damage. You need AP to make shields and speed buffs even remotely noticeable.
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Jul 10, 2016 21:15
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ASPD/onhit lulu has always been meh, since you'll always be better off just giving Pix to someone else with ASPD, and go for survivability/ability power to end up with more overall damage. I kind of wish Help just cloned pix so that the build would be less pointless.
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Jul 10, 2016 21:54
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True story: I got my first ever pentakill playing aspd-onhit Lulu
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Jul 10, 2016 22:06
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Ridable rhino man is just the kind of stupid thing Riot has been doing lately so it's probably real.
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Jul 10, 2016 22:07
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Neurolimal posted:Yeah, but Zilean is/was a nice buddy with Old Gangplank, on account of old GP having no crowd control and low speed.
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Jul 10, 2016 22:37
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Mikujin posted:You're not remembering far enough back to when they were bros because GP could deny like 2 minions per wave (in gold AND XP) to his opposing lanes and with Zilean on his team - when Zil's old passive was also global - it meant he would hit 6 when his opponent was like just hitting 4. That's fair, I just figured that Zilean would help bully away the laner to make up for old GP's early weakness (I had forgotten that the only real mobile melees at this time were Xin and Yi [pantheons always went mid] so he wouldnt have to worry much about getting bullied out 1v1)
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Jul 10, 2016 23:15
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Neurolimal posted:That's fair, I just figured that Zilean would help bully away the laner to make up for old GP's early weakness (I had forgotten that the only real mobile melees at this time were Xin and Yi [pantheons always went mid] so he wouldnt have to worry much about getting bullied out 1v1)
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Jul 10, 2016 23:26
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Lulu is impossible to balance because she needs high base values to be viable as a support but that's exactly what makes her strong in a solo lane.
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Jul 11, 2016 00:54
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I don't understand the big loving problem with lulu being a viable solo laner. Who the gently caress cares? She's hardly been an oppressive laner.
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Jul 11, 2016 00:57
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Ignite Memories posted:I don't understand the big loving problem with lulu being a viable solo laner. Who the gently caress cares? She's hardly been an oppressive laner. Eh she's pretty strong solo lane when she's strong but she's pretty boring so she doesn't pop up in solo queue a ton but is a priority pick in pro play when she's good.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:00
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that answered nothing lol
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Jul 11, 2016 01:00
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Ignite Memories posted:I don't understand the big loving problem with lulu being a viable solo laner. Who the gently caress cares? She's hardly been an oppressive laner. Yes she has, she was 100% p/b for most of season 4 and season 5 competitive
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Jul 11, 2016 01:10
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When she's strong in a solo lane she's an oppressive early game champ because she has good wave clear, great ranged harass from her auto attack, good gank assistance and is incredibly difficult to kill due to the utility and base values of her kit while you can toss her in the junk farm lane mid-late game and still have a great enabler for your carries due to the base utility of her kit. These strengths are easier for a coordinated team to utilize than your typical solo queue team can and Riot has shown a ton of willingness to balance around certain champs in pro play versus their solo queue strengths.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:13
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if being 100% p/b and being oppressive in lane makes you get reworked into a support, im really looking forward to vlad and azir being made support champs
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Jul 11, 2016 01:25
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Ignite Memories posted:I don't understand the big loving problem with lulu being a viable solo laner. Who the gently caress cares? She's hardly been an oppressive laner. one time i played against this plat 2 top lane main guy on tryndamere as lulu top and i made him go 0/9 and he just quit the game because there was literally nothing he could do in the lane anymore. that is cancer. that is not okay.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:25
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Endorph posted:if being 100% p/b and being oppressive in lane makes you get reworked into a support, im really looking forward to vlad and azir being made support champs I know you're probably not as stupid as your posts but she was designed to be a support
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Jul 11, 2016 02:07
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they could just give her higher base damages and really low ratios and try new numbers every patch, i don't see why this balance team can't figure the numbers of their game out before they decide to rework entire kits
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Jul 11, 2016 02:08
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Firebert posted:I know you're probably not as stupid as your posts but she was designed to be a support
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Jul 11, 2016 02:11
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not sure what's so bad about Lulu, last time I played her with the new heal items it made her shield and ult really good
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Jul 11, 2016 02:26
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exethan posted:they could just give her higher base damages and really low ratios and try new numbers every patch, i don't see why this balance team can't figure the numbers of their game out before they decide to rework entire kits This seems like it would bring about the age of invincible top lane Iceborn Gauntlet / Deadman's Plate Lulu or something stupid and if it eeks out triforce laners so be it I approve this message.
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Jul 11, 2016 02:29
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I was playing a game today as Sona with an Ashe ADC into MF/Morgana lane. We lost lane at level 1; I kept on expecting the Ashe to try and poke the MF with Volley, but ashe had taken Q level one and had to just keep on autoing to build stacks while MF and Morg bitched them. Later, the ADC told me that I was crazy and that Ashe always goes Q first. "You max W first, but you take Q level 1 and get W level 2", they insisted. Am I wrong about this? I feel like W is way more useful level 1 than Q is for Ashe, but I also don't play ADC very much.
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Jul 11, 2016 02:33
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that person is an idiot
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Jul 11, 2016 02:38
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Coca Koala posted:I was playing a game today as Sona with an Ashe ADC into MF/Morgana lane. No that person is an idiot. Just going off of lolking for statistics, Q start is ~2% of the time which is about the same frequency of level 2 E.
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Jul 11, 2016 03:29
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pog boyfriend posted:one time i played against this plat 2 top lane main guy on tryndamere as lulu top and i made him go 0/9 and he just quit the game because there was literally nothing he could do in the lane anymore. that is cancer. that is not okay. maybe he shouldnt loving suck rear end and die 9 times people whine about the dumbest poo poo in this game
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Jul 11, 2016 04:46
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gently caress league of legends
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yep
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Jul 11, 2016 05:49
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Did they hotfix Leona?
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Jul 11, 2016 06:58
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Coca Koala posted:I was playing a game today as Sona with an Ashe ADC into MF/Morgana lane. what the gently caress are you gonna do with a Q at level 1? they're crazy.
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Jul 11, 2016 09:12
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Q first on Ashe is more damage at level 1 but that's only if you plan on slamming your face into the enemy lane straight away which is not recommended against Miss Fortune W is much safer if you plan on getting the level 2 before you go all in with Sona it is not a good idea either but someone like Braum or Blitzcrank that can severely displace an enemy champion will pair well with Ashe Q at level 1
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Jul 11, 2016 09:13
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W at one is way better, Ashe gets her first meaty power spike at 3 when she skills W again
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Jul 11, 2016 13:09
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I doubt it makes a huge difference. That Ashe would have probably lost lane anyway. Like, by the time the other lane realizes Ashe didn't take W, you'll be almost at level 2, at which point everything is the same anyway.NTT posted:W at one is way better, Ashe gets her first meaty power spike at 3 when she skills W again This will happen regardless if you pick Q or W first as long as you max W, which Ashe was.
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its a huge difference because W is better first no matter what. getting 2 or 3 Ws to hit the enemy at level 1 gets you ahead in health and lets you start taking over the lane.
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