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Error 404 posted:Or someone with CNN, Fox News, New York Times, Washinton Post, and every other "respectable" media outlet? What do you think would happen if Barack Obama went on tv and said "yeah they had it coming"
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Hint: the answer is not "meaningful change"
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Jul 11, 2016 03:30
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Hah, you still equate Obama with change.
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Jul 11, 2016 03:41
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Palicgofueniczekt posted:Hah, you still equate Obama with change.
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Jul 11, 2016 03:51
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Jul 11, 2016 03:55
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Badger of Basra posted:jfc y'all are dumb You are a coward, valuing bullshit property over people's lives, and too stupid to realize how transparent you are about it.
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Jul 11, 2016 03:58
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Error 404 posted:You are a coward, valuing bullshit property over people's lives, and too stupid to realize how transparent you are about it. literally all i said was that obama is not hitler for saying stuff like the dallas shooting makes police reform harder, but okay
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Badger of Basra posted:literally all i said was that obama is not hitler for saying stuff like the dallas shooting makes police reform harder, but okay Oh sorry, are we pretending you haven't been posting your weak-rear end neolib apologia in this forum for weeks?
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Jul 11, 2016 04:01
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Error 404 posted:Oh sorry, are we pretending you haven't been posting your weak-rear end neolib apologia in this forum for weeks? Normally I would agree, but he's not wrong about this one. Throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire would not help police reform.
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Jul 11, 2016 04:25
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a primate posted:Normally I would agree, but he's not wrong about this one. Throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire would not help police reform. Hint: you cannot reform an inherently corrupt system.
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Jul 11, 2016 04:28
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Error 404 posted:Hint: you cannot reform an inherently corrupt system. What does that even mean aside from "ACAB"?
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Jul 11, 2016 04:32
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BoB is correct here, and you're wrong Error, but I want to poke this:Badger of Basra posted:Obama is the president though, and not someone on woke twitter
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Jul 11, 2016 04:33
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rudatron posted:BoB is correct here, and you're wrong Error, but I want to poke this: The President has "uphold laws" as part of his literal job description, whereas activists get to (and should!) prioritise broad concerns of justice without regard for practicality as a way to shift the discourse.
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Jul 11, 2016 04:39
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rudatron posted:BoB is correct here, and you're wrong Error, but I want to poke this: I am implying that woke Twitter says the kind of stuff the president can't say, like "the police were no angels" (which is true but also incredibly glib)
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Jul 11, 2016 04:39
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And yeah they don't have to worry about appearances or practicality The president and woke Twitter might agree about an issue but I don't think it's wrong that they would talk about it in different ways
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Jul 11, 2016 04:42
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So if some right-wing activist says that Obama secretly, in his heart of hearts, wants cops dead, but has to say some differently in public, your response would be to think 'well I don't like this activist guy, but I hope he's right'?
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Jul 11, 2016 04:43
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rudatron posted:So if some right-wing activist says that Obama secretly, in his heart of hearts, wants cops dead, but has to say some differently in public, your response would be to think 'well I don't like this guy, but I hope he's right'? 
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Jul 11, 2016 04:44
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rudatron posted:So if some right-wing activist says that Obama secretly, in his heart of hearts, wants cops dead, but has to say some differently in public, your response would be to think 'well I don't like this activist guy, but I hope he's right'? I don't think he secretly wants them dead but I am sure Obama thought to himself "they were no angels" and lol'd internally
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I don't necessarily agree with the implications of what he said but considering Obama can't even look at a news story dealing with the issue without being accused of inciting a race war I understand why he said it.
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Jul 11, 2016 04:48
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beware Obama! Joe Walsh is on the offensive
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I hope Joe Walsh meets Mack Truck
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Jul 11, 2016 05:27
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I can't tell who is a committed revolutionary, and who is just trolling.
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punk rebel ecks posted:I can't tell who is a committed revolutionary, and who is just trolling. You have come to a world called LF *whipcrack*
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Jul 11, 2016 08:30
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poo poo or get off the pot already.
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a primate posted:What does that even mean aside from "ACAB"? it means that even if there are decent cops, the system in which they do their work is corrupt and rewards corruption, therefore, it needs to be completely revamped instead of just tinkered around the edges. hope this helps 
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Classic Comrade posted:it means that even if there are decent cops, the system in which they do their work is corrupt and rewards corruption, therefore, it needs to be completely revamped instead of just tinkered around the edges. I'm still confused about how reforms don't qualify as revamping but rather are tinkering so I guess I'll just look up police reform instead of derailing the thread
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a primate posted:I'm still confused about how reforms don't qualify as revamping but rather are tinkering so I guess I'll just look up police reform instead of derailing the thread tinkering means changing the rules a little. "revamp" in this case probably involves firing the majority of people currently in US police work and replacing them with literally anyone else.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:firing the majority of people currently in US police work and replacing them with literally anyone else. A good idea.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:tinkering means changing the rules a little. "revamp" in this case probably involves firing the majority of people currently in US police work and replacing them with literally anyone else. We do random selection with vetting for juries, I see very few reasons why it can't be made to work for low-level policing too. Not without training obviously, but still. We've got more work-suitable unemployed in this country than we have badges to hang on them.
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Jul 11, 2016 20:55
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I feel like "press the unemployed into working as police officers" is one of the more regressive ideas I've heard
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I think this article is relevant to the discussion: http://lawcha.org/wordpress/2014/12/29/stop-kidding-police-created-control-working-class-poor-people/
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Jul 11, 2016 21:53
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Mr. Horrible posted:I think this article is relevant to the discussion: ACAB
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Badger of Basra posted:I feel like "press the unemployed into working as police officers" is one of the more regressive ideas I've heard Service guarantees citizenship.
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Cephalocidal posted:Service guarantees citizenship. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?
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Well if nothing else it does sound like reforming police from the ground up might be necessary. That article also helps explain why solve rates are so low - police are by design there to "keep the peace," not actually catch criminals. It seems we'd be better off with a lot more investigators and a lot fewer cops on the beat.
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Mr. Horrible posted:Well if nothing else it does sound like reforming police from the ground up might be necessary. That article also helps explain why solve rates are so low - police are by design there to "keep the peace," not actually catch criminals. It seems we'd be better off with a lot more investigators and a lot fewer cops on the beat. More cops on the beat would work too, provided they didn't have the broad authority of current police. I would love it if first-tier police officers were as prevalent in our communities as red light cameras, and as empowered to police as the information kiosk in a hospital lobby. Also unarmed.
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Cephalocidal posted:More cops on the beat would work too, provided they didn't have the broad authority of current police. I would love it if first-tier police officers were as prevalent in our communities as red light cameras, and as empowered to police as the information kiosk in a hospital lobby. Also unarmed. Mall Cops for America.
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No, mall cops has a feel of self-aggrandizing authority abuse.
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Palicgofueniczekt posted:No, mall cops has a feel of self-aggrandizing authority abuse. Mall cops are lovely because they can try to bluster their way into being assessed like real cops. If the real cops were as powerful as mall cops they'd have to pretend to be firefighters or matadors or something.
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