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I'd argue that Daniel Cormier did settle his score with Jon Jones. I think most fans are going to assume Bones was on drugs the whole time and was too much of a pussy to fight DC mano a mano. Otherwise, great post and I will add that UFC has an online library called Fightpass that has a free week trial. I recommend new fans check out some classic fights, and come back here and tell me if they ever fixed their player to stop buffering more than goddamned RealPlayer. e: Since I page sniped, I was going to post some recommended must watch fights, but the OP actually covers a bunch of them. Some guys who are fun to watch who weren't on UFC 200: Robbie Lawler, Demetrious Johnson, Dominic Cruz, Demian Maia (if grappling is your thing) Stealth Tiger fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Stealth Tiger posted:I'd argue that Daniel Cormier did settle his score with Jon Jones. I think most fans are going to assume Bones was on drugs the whole time and was too much of a pussy to fight DC mano a mano. You have a point but to settle the score in the eyes of a lot of fans you need to beat him in the cage and I'm sure despite his protestations DC on some level feels the same way.
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# ? Jul 11, 2016 23:36 |
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So who's this Tito Ortiz guy? As a wrestling fan, I only known him as an awkward nodding man with a head like a dang ol' baked potato.
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DC's definitely the one winning at life right now but the fact remains that Jon jones beat dc up.
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Beeswax posted:I'm gonna go ahead and predict that having the thread devolve into MMA regulars exchanging injokes and references on page one is not the best way to attract new posters. who cares about attracting new posters
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Baron La Croix posted:So who's this Tito Ortiz guy? As a wrestling fan, I only known him as an awkward nodding man with a head like a dang ol' baked potato. You pretty much got it
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Oh another important axiom: in case of extremely close, controversial fights, it is only acceptable to talk about the closeness of said fight, and to speak positively about the losing fighter in the immediate aftermath. After a period of time has passed, the official story will change to the winner actually dominated the fight and the loser was outclassed.
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Baron La Croix posted:So who's this Tito Ortiz guy? As a wrestling fan, I only known him as an awkward nodding man with a head like a dang ol' baked potato. He was a UFC Light Heavyweight Champion a long time ago when the promotion was less competitive. He is notoriously dumb and lame for a myriad of reasons too long to list but I'll jot out the first few that come to mind
I could go on but I've already wasted enough time (2 minutes) thinking about Tito Ortiz
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EvanSchenck posted:He was a UFC Light Heavyweight Champion a long time ago when the promotion was less competitive. He is notoriously dumb and lame for a myriad of reasons too long to list but I'll jot out the first few that come to mind He also defeated wanderlei silva and vitor belfort when they were murdering dudes. Tito ortiz was a good fighter in his day, just not the best fighter and stayed in the game way too long but he did have some impressive moments in his career and held the belt in a competitive division for a not insignifcant amount of time.
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EvanSchenck posted:He was a UFC Light Heavyweight Champion a long time ago when the promotion was less competitive. He is notoriously dumb and lame for a myriad of reasons too long to list but I'll jot out the first few that come to mind He also got hired as Chris Cyborg's manager, and convinced her to not sign a contract with the UFC where they'd pay her to fight in Invicta (all-female fighting org, pretty much a feeder league to the UFC at this point), but instead fight in Invicta on her own for less money.
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BlindSite posted:He also defeated wanderlei silva and vitor belfort when they were murdering dudes. Those fights were terrible performances. He lay n prayed Wandy then full on sprinted away the one time he wasn't in top position. And he lost the third round to vitor. he lost a third round TO VITOR
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Tito Ortiz vs. Dana White Joe Rogan vs. Wesley Snipes the two fights that never happened that hurt UFC the most
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And when he finally did fight chuck he got thoroughly owned.
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Also a goon who is a fairly well-credentialed muay thai instructor worked with him for a camp and he paid him in Team Punishment t-shirts.
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Mean Bean Machine posted:who cares about attracting new posters Me, which is a large part of this thread. Prelims writeup is impending.
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fatherdog posted:Also a goon who is a fairly well-credentialed muay thai instructor worked with him for a camp and he paid him in Team Punishment t-shirts. Haha. That owns.
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EvanSchenck posted:[*] lost the Light Heavyweight belt to Randy Couture in a fight where Couture dominated him so utterly that at one point Randy literally spanked his bottom while loudly laughing
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Prelim writeup added to post 2!Bluedeanie posted:And we're back, to further look into the prelims! There weren't as many super big currently relevant names on these fights, but don't let that fool you: pretty much all of them had some degree of implications for their respective divisions.
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What was with Mark Hunt's plan of slowly walking towards Brock and then not punching him? I mean I get he has to be wary of a takedown and keeping his distance allows Mark to block or avoid some takedown attempts, but that doesn't really seem to matter if he has no offence and Brock was still managing to take him down and then pound on him a good percent of the time. Brock was almost never committing to anything more than little jabs or an occasional leg kick so that doesn't seem to leave an opportunity for effective counter punching. Hunt just seemed to be staying outside of punching range but within Brock's takedown range which seems to be to be a bad plan. Maybe punching would have been a better plan?
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team overhead smash posted:What was with Mark Hunt's plan of slowly walking towards Brock and then not punching him? I mean I get he has to be wary of a takedown and keeping his distance allows Mark to block or avoid some takedown attempts, but that doesn't really seem to matter if he has no offence and Brock was still managing to take him down and then pound on him a good percent of the time. Brock was almost never committing to anything more than little jabs or an occasional leg kick so that doesn't seem to leave an opportunity for effective counter punching. Hunt just seemed to be staying outside of punching range but within Brock's takedown range which seems to be to be a bad plan. Maybe punching would have been a better plan? Only Mark Hunt and/or his coaches really know what his plan was, but it looked to me like the idea was to slowly move forward without throwing strikes with the idea that either Brock would get backed into the cage where Hunt could unload, or he'd have to shoot while Mark had both hands ready to clip him with something. Which is more or less what Brock did, but it turns out that he's still impossibly fast for a guy his size so Mark didn't manage to hit him with anything cleanly enough off the shots.
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Hunt is extremely picky with his punches most of the time, but he spent a non-trivial portion of round 1 with 290 lbs of muscle on top of him. Hunt was exhausted and I would be surprised if that slam at the end of round 1 either broke or dislocated one of his ribs.
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Awesome job from BlueDeanie, as usual. Just wanted to throw in, as a long-time Diego fan, that 2 of my most fave Nightmare fights are: vs Karo Parisyan vs Nick Diaz (Side note, Nick threw a shoe at Diego backstage)
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Bundt Cake posted:Those fights were terrible performances. He lay n prayed Wandy then full on sprinted away the one time he wasn't in top position. And he lost the third round to vitor. he lost a third round TO VITOR Lay n pray is what hendricks did at the end of the lawler fight. Tito sold out for takedowns but he was actually active passing and striking. Dont bring this poo poo back into prominence where anyone who scores a takedown is now just a lay n pray fighter. It took years for retards to stop saying it.
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Remember when Tito almost triangled Machida? And then Machida got a bonus check from Dana for beating Tito (not one of the post-fight bonus's, a personal check from Dana White) and said it made him feel like a hitman. MMA is weird.
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Remember when Ryan Bader was set up to crush and retire Tito by Dana and instead Tito won.
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New posters who are interested in what fighters do when not fighting should check out Alistair Overeem's vanity documentary The Reem: http://www.alistairovereem.com/docu I find it to be an awesome more-or-less honest look at what a high level fighter goes through. The good and bad of training, psychology, media, and common pitfalls and mistakes fighters made are pretty much all featured in some way. There is definitely some ignoring hard questions but less than you'd expect in a self funded series, particularly in newer episodes. If anything this series has made me like Alistair for being such a giant douchebag. Watching the Reem taking his elderly white mother (who I am pretty sure was on the golden girls) to get checked for breast cancer is as great as reality mma tv gets. turntabler fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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fatherdog posted:Only Mark Hunt and/or his coaches really know what his plan was, but it looked to me like the idea was to slowly move forward without throwing strikes with the idea that either Brock would get backed into the cage where Hunt could unload, or he'd have to shoot while Mark had both hands ready to clip him with something. Which is more or less what Brock did, but it turns out that he's still impossibly fast for a guy his size so Mark didn't manage to hit him with anything cleanly enough off the shots. What shots thought? From what I can see although Brock sometimes managed to counter a swing by going under it with the takedown (basically the reverse of what we're assuming Hunt was trying), when this didn't happen and Brock tried to take when Mark had his hands ready Mark didn't even try to counter punch and dropped them to defend against the takedown. He "didn't manage to hit him with anything cleanly enough off the shots" because there were no shots in terms of counter punches to takedowns. Also if he wanted to back Brock into the cage, wouldn't he have needed more movement and aggression? That slow forward pace might walk Brock down a bit and wear him down as he circles around and covers more distance, but it obviously didn't work in terms of pressing Brock against the cage and as long as Brock was able to walk slightly faster in a circular direction I can't see how it was meant to. Hunt's meant to be a geek, surely he's aware of circle strafing. Edited after rechecking a couple of bits. team overhead smash fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Tito Ortiz has mouth dyslexia but that didn't stop him from being on the Affliction MMA commentary team. unfortunately, the highlight video from that isn't online anymore. BUT the other infamous case of his disastrous public speaking, the press conference that spawned is up, hopefully forever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnrI1l6qvO4
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team overhead smash posted:What shots thought? From what I can see although Brock sometimes managed to counter a swing by going under it with the takedown (basically the reverse of what we're assuming Hunt was trying), when this didn't happen and Brock tried to take when Mark had his hands ready Mark didn't even try to counter punch and dropped them to defend against the takedown. He "didn't manage to hit him with anything cleanly enough off the shots" because there were no shots in terms of counter punches to takedowns. In short, it's a distance and timing game, and Hunt had the shorter reach by a wide margin. When a fighter is out-reached, he has two options 1) Leap in, guns a-blazing, relying on head movement to stay alive 2) Wait for the opponent to commit to some kind of forward movement. The problem with #1 in MMA is that it leaves the attacker open to a reactive double-leg takedown, which Brock absolutely, positively wanted: Hunt couldn't provide too much forward movement because then his feet would likely be out of position for a good counter when Brock's inevitable shot would come. So Hunt was waiting either for Brock to shoot and provide a counter, or for Brock to make a range error, probably (as Fatherdog said) by incrementally moving Brock close to the cage.
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Someone make an effort post about mobn
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I'd say someone should make an effortpost about the glorious clusterfuck that is the heavyweight division and its history but that could honestly be its own thread
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Chris James 2 posted:I'd say someone should make an effortpost about the glorious clusterfuck that is the heavyweight division and its history but that could honestly be its own thread There was one! I distinctly remember someone made a thread called The Ballad of the Trashweights or something similar. I've tried a couple of times to find it to no avail, but it would be perfect to be linked in here.
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Ty1990 posted:Someone make an effort post about mobn Agreed. Those wedding photos were Top 5 on the "Hardest I've Ever Laughed" list of things of seen on SA.
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BlindSite posted:Lay n pray is what hendricks did at the end of the lawler fight. Tito sold out for takedowns but he was actually active passing and striking. no he wasnt
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Remember how many years Joe Rogan would say Tito Ortiz is ONe of the few guys who can do a lot of damage from inside someone's guard? that always lacked evidence
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Memento posted:There was one! I distinctly remember someone made a thread called The Ballad of the Trashweights or something similar. I've tried a couple of times to find it to no avail, but it would be perfect to be linked in here. Yeah, I did that forever ago, think you need archives to get to it: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3529080
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CarlCX posted:Yeah, I did that forever ago, think you need archives to get to it: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3529080 could you do one for Light Heavyweight soon? That was such a good thread to read.
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CarlCX posted:Yeah, I did that forever ago, think you need archives to get to it: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3529080 That's it, thanks a whole bunch for putting that together.
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Stealth Tiger posted:I'd argue that Daniel Cormier did settle his score with Jon Jones. I think most fans are going to assume Bones was on drugs the whole time and was too much of a pussy to fight DC mano a mano. Dude still seems like a nice guy and I respect that he agreed to fight anyone and everyone, but yeah. Like Nate says.
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Thanks Bluedeanie for reminding me that I want to see TJ / Dodson 2 so bad
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