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fade5 posted:Optics? Where we're going we don't need optics: At long last, the hour of Representative Daniel Webster has come! It was his quixotic crusade in the Florida legislature, and he's only dialed it down a bit in the federal.
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smg77 posted:https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/752624828431998976 Talking about Roger Ailes so soon?
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Hey it turns out if you assume the police aren't lying there is no racial imbalance in police abusing the citizenry https://www.theguardian.com/news/reality-check/2016/jul/11/study-finds-no-racial-bias-police-shootings-data?CMP=fb_gu
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The RNC platform concerning date rape will be the allotment of aspirin to every woman to hold between their knees.
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emdash posted:Sanders/Clinton joint rally coming Tues, expected to be his official endorsement S4P crazies are going to be Freep regulars by the Cythereal posted:Right wing types who love the Punisher tend to overlook that a major part of most Punisher stories is that Frank Castle is not a good guy and it really loving sucks to be him. Daredevil S2 was pretty good about showing that. The scene in the Diner where he talks about his wife was especially good at showing how broken and empty he felt. Yoshifan823 posted:In "Steve King is Terrible" news, Steve King is terrible and has a confederate flag on his desk. What did you have to say about the confederate flag when you were defending the right to display it, Congressman King? I'm glad Germany passed a bunch of anti-Nazi laws and the US would've been better off passing anti-CSA amendments similarly outlawing all their iconography outside of a "these people were loving monsters" historical context. The cop who shot him is going to walk. "I thought they were a robbery suspect and fired because they went for a gun" is a better argument than Rice's shooter, or some others, made before getting off. Cops who like to pretend they're Judge Dredd should get their wish, complete with the extremely severe punishments Street Judges face for even minor law violations. exploding mummy posted:Well considering that he's a paraplegic because a tree fell on him and crushed his spine and internal organs when he was jogging, and he apparently burned his lower legs which he has limited motor control over... The world would be better off if the tree had killed him. Internet Webguy posted:In non-regressive platform news: Green party's Jill Stein invites Bernie Sanders to take over ticket Jill Stein might not be regressive (except on subjects like medicine and energy...) but she's still a crazy rear end in a top hat and she's extra spiteful this election season because Clinton is the first credible female candidate for president and she isn't, then Sanders went and stole all her progressive thunder on top of it.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:The RNC platform concerning date rape will be the allotment of aspirin to every woman to hold between their knees. This will be quietly dropped after the delegate who put it forward is removed for acting sympathetic to Obamacare
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:The RNC platform concerning date rape will be the allotment of aspirin to every woman to hold between their knees. Nonsense, the RNC has made it very clear they don't want to pay for women's drugs
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Evil Fluffy posted:The world would be better off if the tree had killed him. Governor Dan Patrick.  Actually, since the ltgov is usually more powerful, Perry notwithstanding, that may be plausible.
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Here's an interesting article in the Atlantic about the "atomization" of American politics. I disagree with the author's conclusion that the cure for the current inadequacy of American government is to strengthen parties again, but it's an interesting read and brings up some good points. I was wondering about you guys's perspectives on this?
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Go ahead and outlaw abortion, parents will instead opt to pray away their newborn's hunger. RELIGIOUS LIBERTY!
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GreyjoyBastard posted:At long last, the hour of Representative Daniel Webster has come! Just a reminder that Daniel Webster came in third place on the recent House Speaker ballot, garnering 9 votes from members of the House Freedom Caucus.
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 so who's got the stream links for those of us that don't have cable?
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Horrifying, but not surprising to be honest: https://twitter.com/nathanguttman/status/752623618719383552 FourLeaf fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Xanderkish posted:Fusion.com: How Bernie Sanders lost black voters This article is a big load of bullshit: http://www.carlbeijer.com/2016/07/what-sanders-black-staffers-actually.html https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/752465633774821376 quote:Terrell Starr has published a new article aspiring to explain How Bernie Sanders lost black voters. As he explains elsewhere, what's "new" about this piece "is that [Sanders'] own former black staff is critiquing his campaign." Specifically, the article is built around quotes from two staffers who are willing to go on record: deputy director for African-American outreach Roy Tatum and National HBCU Outreach Director Danny Glover. For the thousandth time, I am tired, as a black person, of being used as a cudgel against Bernie Sanders
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just a reminder that Daniel Webster came in third place on the recent House Speaker ballot, garnering 9 votes from members of the House Freedom Caucus. Knowing the HFC, I'm just as likely to believe that those votes were for for the early 19th century Daniel Webster, who did, after all, protect the rights of innocent little corporations from government overreach.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:The RNC platform concerning date rape will be the allotment of aspirin to every woman to hold between their knees. Every time I hear this joke it just feels like the teller is admitting they are really poo poo at sexing. There's lots of closed legs positions 
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FourLeaf posted:This article is a big load of bullshit It overstates its case, but the main point (that Sanders didn't spend enough time, money, or energy reaching out to black voters) isn't even contested by your refutation, just the stronger (and dumber) points about white privilege and poo poo. And whether you like it or not, the failure of the Sanders campaign to woo black voters into a coalition with his base of white liberals and anti-establishment populists is essentially the entire reason he lost, and therefore you'll be seeing thinkpieces about why the campaign failed to do so until people forget about Sanders entirely. Quorum fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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It seemed to me like Sanders kept going after black "celebrities" for lack of a better term. Well known black academics, rappers, families of police violence victims, he seemed like he actually racked up a lot of these types of endorsements. None of these people were particularly actually famous though or super influential.
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Quorum posted:It overstates its case, but the main point (that Sanders didn't spend enough time, money, or energy reaching out to black voters) isn't even contested by your refutation, just the stronger (and dumber) points about white privilege and poo poo. Fine. I will step back and say that the article has a severe case of 'dramatic headline not backed up by actual content'. The author conflates his own opinions about Bernie's white privilege with the facts presented by actual Sanders staffers regarding the campaign's funds and time limits. It's extremely dishonest.
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FourLeaf posted:Fine. I will step back and say that the article has a severe case of 'dramatic headline not backed up by actual content'. The author conflates his own opinions about Bernie's white privilege with the facts presented by actual Sanders staffers regarding the campaign's funds and time limits. It's extremely dishonest. So you would disagree with the statement that, given limited time and funding, the Sanders campaign chose not to make black voters a priority?
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Exit polls showed that the Clinton / Sanders divide among minority populations was generational, as it was with white voters. The Clinton campaign did a better job organizing GOTV, especially in states with larger minority populations which had their primaries earlier in the cycle and where they knew they'd need to build GE offices, while the Sanders campaign focused on the front loaded contests. The Democrats' ability to turn out younger minority voters is even worse than with younger white voters, whereas they have some established networks targeting older voters, like Souls to the Polls. This strategy ending up dooming Sanders on Super Tuesday, but if he'd put money and staff into that instead of competing in IA and NH would he have even made it to Super Tuesday or having the fundraising to continue into the Spring? At the end of the day, there weren't as many Democrats who could be convinced to vote for Bernie as there were Democrats who were pre-disposed to vote for Hillary, which is why he did not win the primary. This isn't exactly shocking.
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Kalman posted:So you would disagree with the statement that, given limited time and funding, the Sanders campaign chose not to make black voters a priority? I mean I think it's observable fact that that's true, between general weak outreach and just pure pandering like using Killer Mike as a glorified liaison for the press for a bit before near instantly dumping him once the south was over it was pretty clear minority outreach in general was second to the ~revolution~ as Sanders saw it. It's not exactly new, you have stuff from black activists in VT saying more or less the same, Sanders has a very clear in his mind view of revolution, anything else is a distraction, and when that comes to conflict with minority issues it creates a very uncomfortable situation where it seems he doesn't care as much about their issues. I don't doubt he genuinely cares very much but constant pivots to 'but lemmie tell you about the real problem, Wall Street' feels dismissive to many.
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Internet Webguy posted:In non-regressive platform news: Green party's Jill Stein invites Bernie Sanders to take over ticket This is a loving awful idea.
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Hollismason posted:This is a loving awful idea. Bernie and the Greens would get delende ested so hard if he did this that neither would exist anymore politically by the time his plane touched down in California or wherever the Greens are based
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Bernie has also, as far as I know, confirmed that he's not running third party.
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Magres posted:Bernie has also, as far as I know, confirmed that he's not running third party. And is endorsing Hillary tomorrow.
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i also support transitioning trans kids before puberty
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GreyjoyBastard posted:At long last, the hour of Representative Daniel Webster has come! One Man and One Woman, Now and Forever, One and Inseperable.
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Joementum posted:Exit polls showed that the Clinton / Sanders divide among minority populations was generational, as it was with white voters. The Clinton campaign did a better job organizing GOTV, especially in states with larger minority populations which had their primaries earlier in the cycle and where they knew they'd need to build GE offices, while the Sanders campaign focused on the front loaded contests. The Democrats' ability to turn out younger minority voters is even worse than with younger white voters, whereas they have some established networks targeting older voters, like Souls to the Polls. While I think your analysis is more or less spot on, breaking it down such that voters are "convinced" to vote for Bernie but "predisposed" to vote for Hillary is some nonsense. People voted for the person they believed best represented their views and would do the best job implementing them, there's no evidence that this is any less true for old black churchgoers than for woke young white college kids.
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Quorum posted:While I think your analysis is more or less spot on, breaking it down such that voters are "convinced" to vote for Bernie but "predisposed" to vote for Hillary is some nonsense. People voted for the person they believed best represented their views and would do the best job implementing them, there's no evidence that this is any less true for old black churchgoers than for woke young white college kids.
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I say we start a movement where we destroy stuff we don't like. let's start with DC monuments and work outward
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XyrlocShammypants posted:I say we start a movement where we destroy stuff we don't like. let's start with Fixed.
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Nessus posted:I think this just refers to Bernie not being nearly as well known as the Hillz among that population (though he was not necessarily unknown, either). Yes, though among all populations. My guess is that the vast, vast majority of voters went into the primary predisposed to vote for Hillary - and will return to that position!
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Quorum posted:And whether you like it or not, the failure of the Sanders campaign to woo black voters into a coalition with his base of white liberals and anti-establishment populists is essentially the entire reason he lost, and therefore you'll be seeing thinkpieces about why the campaign failed to do so until people forget about Sanders entirely. "Whether I like it or not"? That's been obvious for months. I have no problem with articles examining why Bernie failed to get black votes, I would just appreciate it if the authors writing the articles could resist confusing the harassment they got from anonymous egg accounts on Twitter with what Bernie personally dictated his campaign strategy should be. Kalman posted:So you would disagree with the statement that, given limited time and funding, the Sanders campaign chose not to make black voters a priority? No. That's totally accurate. I agree with this: Joementum posted:Exit polls showed that the Clinton / Sanders divide among minority populations was generational, as it was with white voters. The Clinton campaign did a better job organizing GOTV, especially in states with larger minority populations which had their primaries earlier in the cycle and where they knew they'd need to build GE offices, while the Sanders campaign focused on the front loaded contests. The Democrats' ability to turn out younger minority voters is even worse than with younger white voters, whereas they have some established networks targeting older voters, like Souls to the Polls. My hope is, since this primary has emphasized that a successful Democratic presidential nominee literally depends on black votes, that Hillary will do more for black people than Obama did. She owes us. Quorum posted:While I think your analysis is more or less spot on, breaking it down such that voters are "convinced" to vote for Bernie but "predisposed" to vote for Hillary is some nonsense. People voted for the person they believed best represented their views and would do the best job implementing them, there's no evidence that this is any less true for old black churchgoers than for woke young white college kids. I really don't think that's an inaccurate way to describe it considering how racially polarized the parties are in the South, with the Democratic Party in many Southern states being majority black. Unsurprising how that could lead to a Southern Black Dem being more prepared to vote for well-known longtime Democrat Hillary Clinton, whereas they would need a great deal of evidence to vote for an Independent socialist from New England who only very recently joined the Democratic party.
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fade5 posted:Optics? Where we're going we don't need optics: What's next? Bringing back miscegenation laws?
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Hollismason posted:This is a loving awful idea. You expected something other than that from Jill Stein?
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DrSunshine posted:Here's an interesting article in the Atlantic about the "atomization" of American politics. I disagree with the author's conclusion that the cure for the current inadequacy of American government is to strengthen parties again, but it's an interesting read and brings up some good points. I was wondering about you guys's perspectives on this? That article has come up in the thread before. It's well written but, almost all of the abuses and problems he identifies are associated with just one party; the GOP. Jonathan Chait in New York Magazine has a good review of the article and both articles should be read together. Personally, I think The Atlantic article exemplifies the absurd attempt of current journalism to always declare the truth somewhere in the middle when it's obvious that one party is just bug-gently caress crazy.
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I've been kind of reading the thread while in down times. The last 1000+ posts seemed really... I don't know, odd I guess, when trying to discuss some of these racial tension issues with a couple from South Africa that I've been hopping around with the last few days. I did hear a lot of similar arguments from both sides of the issue from multiple nationalities and I find that fascinating in a "human problem not US problem" sort of way. It does seem that as bad as it is currently, it can be so, so much worse yet. Anyway I hope when I get back not everone will have been shot 
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