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fade5 posted:Optics? Where we're going we don't need optics: I really think that since they know they're gonna lose, they're going hardcore extremist (I mean even more so than usual) just to see what new horrors their base is willing to embrace.
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Quorum posted:While I think your analysis is more or less spot on, breaking it down such that voters are "convinced" to vote for Bernie but "predisposed" to vote for Hillary is some nonsense. People voted for the person they believed best represented their views and would do the best job implementing them, there's no evidence that this is any less true for old black churchgoers than for woke young white college kids. yeah, the methodist who has spent the past 20 years building a strong foundation in the southern democratic community, which happens to involve lots of black churches, didn't have any sort of advantage on the new england jew who they first heard about a couple of months ago edit: this isn't a "LOL THE BLACKS WOULD'VE LIKED BERNIE BETTER IF THEY KNEW HIM" post. arkansas is hillary's home turf and is religious, so of course she had an advantage there. Business Gorillas fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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FourLeaf posted:I really think that since they know they're gonna lose, they're going hardcore extremist (I mean even more so than usual) just to see what new horrors their base is willing to embrace. I doubt it since going full crazy town jeopardizes Congress. Though it is the gop...
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DemeaninDemon posted:I doubt it since going full crazy town jeopardizes Congress. I don't think going crazy jeopardizes Congress when a GOP congressman's biggest threat is some Tea Party nutbag primarying him, not his opponent in the general
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Business Gorillas posted:yeah, the methodist who has spent the past 20 years building a strong foundation in the southern democratic community, which happens to involve lots of black churches, didn't have any sort of advantage on the new england jew who they first heard about a couple of months ago That's not what I said. Clinton went in with an advantage, no doubt, but it minimizes the GOTV effort on the part of her campaign, not to mention the reasons so many people voted for her in the first place, to portray it as somehow a victory "by default." e: I mean, it's a minor quibble. I get the frustrations of Bernie partisans, Joementum included, at facing down the juggernaut of name rec and connections that was Clinton. But she earned that name rec and those connections, and they paid off. That's all.
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FourLeaf posted:I don't think going crazy jeopardizes Congress when a GOP congressman's biggest threat is some Tea Party nutbag primarying him, not his opponent in the general Senates in play.
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whenever I see articles about 'tangentially related black person says common-sense thing!' I always want to say "Yes? And?"
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Quorum posted:That's not what I said. Clinton went in with an advantage, no doubt, but it minimizes the GOTV effort on the part of her campaign, not to mention the reasons so many people voted for her in the first place, to portray it as somehow a victory "by default." since when is joementum a "bernie partisan"? in one post you said "everyone actually made a fair and objective decision about who they thought would work best for them" but now you're saying "bernie got crushed under the massive inertia of the clinton campaign". it can't be both, which one is it?
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Quorum posted:e: I mean, it's a minor quibble. I get the frustrations of Bernie partisans, Joementum included, at facing down the juggernaut of name rec and connections that was Clinton. But she earned that name rec and those connections, and they paid off. That's all. I absolutely agree with this. After any election you get articles quoting staffers from the losing team saying, "Oh, if they'd only taken my advice we could have won" and you get articles quoting staffers from the winning campaign saying, "I'm so drat smart and my master strategy is why we won". And it's probably true that if Bernie had spent more resources in the South he could have picked up more of the black vote, but that would have come at the cost of some of the attention he spent in the early primary states - and he came within a few coin flips of winning Iowa! He certainly made mistakes that could have been fixed here and there, but I think if you let Bernie play this election out Groundhog Day style over and over again this is close to as well as he'd be able to do. Business Gorillas posted:since when is joementum a "bernie partisan"? 1992 or so.
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comes along bort posted:CNN in a nutshell: And the transformation is complete. They are officially Fox News 2 now.
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Business Gorillas posted:since when is joementum a "bernie partisan"? I'm sorry if I misrepresented anyone's position, I've always got a read on Joe that he's someone who really likes Bernie, not surprising since he's the junior VT senator! Partisan isn't an automatically bad word. And those two positions are not inconsistent? Though I wouldn't describe Bernie as being "crushed" by the Clinton campaign's inertia, just ultimately unable to forge together enough demographic weight to defeat the Clinton campaign's appeal to the Obama coalition.
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Hey did anyone find a #squirtle? The #speaker would like to #gently caress a #boy
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DrSunshine posted:Here's an interesting article in the Atlantic about the "atomization" of American politics. I disagree with the author's conclusion that the cure for the current inadequacy of American government is to strengthen parties again, but it's an interesting read and brings up some good points. I was wondering about you guys's perspectives on this? The cure is to instill a sense of ideological consciousness in the masses and promote an ideological mass movement. This guy wants to simply roll back democracy and make the de facto political elite we have permanently insulated from the pressures of public opinion
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FourLeaf posted:Horrifying, but not surprising to be honest: It' not much different than Hillary's platform. Literally yesterday people were being shouted down as idiot Bernie Bros for criticizing the Dem platform's stated support for Israel and Zionism. I'm not sure why the Republican platform should be different in that regard the two-state solution is a fantasy and has been arguably since it was first conceived in the 70s, for sure since the 90s
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Two State Solution at least pretends to treat the Palestinians as people. Forcing it in to a single state would pretty much guarantee Bibi ramps up the ethnic cleansing, or maybe they'd "only" treat Palestinians as second-class citizens.
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minority voters in the US tend to have a positive outlook on the future of the economy, rendering most of bernie's arguments moot. If you combine that with name recognition, I don't think Bernie had much of a chance outside of utilizing a time machine.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Two State Solution at least pretends to treat the Palestinians as people. Forcing it in to a single state would pretty much guarantee Bibi ramps up the ethnic cleansing, or maybe they'd "only" treat Palestinians as second-class citizens. Guess what, Israel and Palestine are already, in TYOOL 2016, de facto a single state, ethnic cleansing is continuing at a rapid pace, and Palestinians are treated as less than second class citizens
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comes along bort posted:CNN in a nutshell: CNNs strategy is to hire some of the most disgusting people in the country to troll their normal commentators for maximum clicks and profit. I don't understand how there hasn't been an internal revolt from the few good people left on that network.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:The RNC platform concerning date rape will be the allotment of aspirin to every woman to hold between their knees. 
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DemeaninDemon posted:The surprising part is CNN somehow profits. Cable news has very low production costs.
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FourLeaf posted:I really think that since they know they're gonna lose, they're going hardcore extremist (I mean even more so than usual) just to see what new horrors their base is willing to embrace. No, they think they can win because they actually believe in the silent majority. Though they are worried that perhaps Trump has betrayed Conservatism too much even though he's up against the Liberal Demon, Hillary Clinton. It's precisely because they've tied themselves to a shrinking and self radicalizing base that they're going hardcore extremist. It's not an active strategy, is the direct result of lazily resting on the Southern Strategy for too long. They want to expand outward and pick up all those sweet Latino voters, and young voters, and woman voters, but the crazy white rear end in a top hat racist base is both too large to ignore but too small to win.
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kaleedity posted:minority voters in the US tend to have a positive outlook on the future of the economy, rendering most of bernie's arguments moot. Minorities are at the bottom and can only go up. Whites are in free fall. That is why the views are different.
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Mr Hootington posted:Minorities are at the bottom and can only go up. Whites are in free fall. That is why the views are different. Sounds like the system works, to me
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*whites think they're in free fall when they're largely on a quite reasonable glide path
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Free fall: might have to send McKaylay to public school.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Free fall: might have to send McKaylay to public school. I think you mean government school
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DemeaninDemon posted:Free fall: might have to send McKaylay to public school. Ha. Try a for-profit online high school, because the public schools have all been sold off to investors
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rscott posted:I think you mean government school Yes this one. With minorities and poors.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Free fall: might have to send McKaylay to public school. Their mortality rate is increasing due to suicide, alcohol and drug abuse. I'd point out that this is a uniquely American problem, white people in other western nations are doing just fine.
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I was talking more about the poor whites, but we could makes this about the suburban straw man.
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Sarah Palin's former babysitter Nicole Wallace is interviewing Jeb! on noted hotbed of liberalism MSNBC and it's a showcase of two utter twits completely failing to understand why the riff raff have completely turned on them.
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Am I the only one who can't wait until this ripoff artist dies
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comes along bort posted:Sarah Palin's former babysitter Nicole Wallace is interviewing Jeb! on noted hotbed of liberalism MSNBC and it's a showcase of two utter twits completely failing to understand why the riff raff have completely turned on them. Suddenly it makes sense why MSNBC agreed to host them.
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comes along bort posted:Sarah Palin's former babysitter Nicole Wallace is interviewing Jeb! on noted hotbed of liberalism MSNBC and it's a showcase of two utter twits completely failing to understand why the riff raff have completely turned on them. I hate the Bush family with all my heart and watching their simpering idiot bitch son squander hundreds of millions of dollars on a pathetic campaign of perpetual humiliation was utterly delicious to me. Imagine being such a loving failure.
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Mr Hootington posted:I was talking more about the poor whites, but we could makes this about the suburban straw man. Poor whites are hosed due to rising college costs, stagnant wages, and declining public education, and whatever else increases the gap. I couldn't resist a sidetrack into making fun of suburban life for it is trash.
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