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Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Quorum posted:

Radical idea: mandatory drug testing only for Congress. Lawmaking is such a serious business we can't permit it to be tainted by drugs of any sort.

The latter is unironically the reason given to me when I got a job testing court software.

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Jurgan posted:

1: So the only problem is that protesters today don't wear suits? So if they were wearing suits, you'd agree with all their grievances?

To be fair appropriating the clothes of the upper class was a good idea of the civil rights movement. The spokespeople were very careful about cultivating a "proper" American accent as well. I think modern activism has been harmed by the echo-chamber effect just as all of us have and no longer is aware of or feels the need to adopt these sorts of tactics in getting their message across. I guess the modern response is "we shouldn't need to do that and if people don't listen because of this they're racist" but, welp. Tactics are tactics.

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Arglebargle III posted:

To be fair appropriating the clothes of the upper class was a good idea of the civil rights movement. The spokespeople were very careful about cultivating a "proper" American accent as well. I think modern activism has been harmed by the echo-chamber effect just as all of us have and no longer is aware of or feels the need to adopt these sorts of tactics in getting their message across. I guess the modern response is "we shouldn't need to do that and if people don't listen because of this they're racist" but, welp. Tactics are tactics.

They just need to accessorize more. Like these fine fellows.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
He just keeps going

quote:

I'm curious how you intend to deal with things like "white flight".

Do you propose mandating a law that forbids white people the ability to move or sell their homes? Make them prisoners in their own communities?

What exactly DO you propose to deal with these problems, other than accusing all white people of being racists?

Which does what, by the way, exactly? Other than just building resentment of poor and middle-class whites against people like you, that is. Since it does THAT rather well.

quote:

As for racist bingo: As I said, it's bullshit.

A person is racist or they are not. Different slogans don't make a person racist, nor does combining them in arbitrary groupings of 5 to make a row/column/diagonal.

That I even have to SAY this indicates I'm not talking to rational people. My example above about how someone could have 9 out of 5 of them and not get a Bingo vs a person having 5 of them in the right configuration to make a line is proof of the idiocy of the system, as was my pointing out that the President has said a lot of them, yet you would contend he isn't a racist - or, at least, isn't racist against black people.

Using this "racist bingo" as some kind of intellectual bludgeon to attack people with is beyond irrational.

quote:

Also, regarding "white fragility":

No. The reason it's hard to talk to white people about racism is that liberals seem unable to figure out a way to do it without either (A) blaming all the white people for racism, (B) saying all white people are only where they are because of racism in their favor, or (C) a combination of both.

If you went to black people and told them that either racism is their fault OR that they only have all the things they've worked for because of racism benefiting them OR both, they would also be...shall we say, resistant.

Because the discussion is then not about systematic racism, it's about people who aren't necessarily even racists being, somehow, racist. Or their ancestors, even if their ancestors weren't slave owners, didn't live in the South, or even if their ancestors didn't immigrate until the last few decades. That their skin is white is reason enough.

When you make it about their being white, rather than a neutral discussion about systematic racism that affects us all, you aren't going to get a lot of converts.

Because you've cast them as villains and then ask them to take part in your play. And when they say "But I'm not a villain and I don't want to play one in this story", you accuse them of having their itty bitty widdle feewings hurt.

.

Can you not see, are you so lacking in either empathy or even basic understanding of Human emotion, how that is a turn off?

How that WILL NOT WORK to bring people to the table?

Calling out an entire RACE of people as villains and then, if they don't agree, calling them little babies?

Bast Relief
Feb 21, 2006

by exmarx
I unblocked one because he had some cool PNW hike photos immediately regretted it. He's making fun of the civilian that was shot in Dallas.Her name and her children's names, which one can assume are black names, are apparently hilarious and doom them to be "winners" in society. I gave him a wealth of poo poo and posted a photo of that dumb pregnant broad with the chalkboard of white-people name choices. She eventually settled on Layknn.
I'm not going anywhere near my other computer that's logged onto fb for awhile after that.

Defenestration
Aug 10, 2006

"It wasn't my fault that my first unconscious thought turned out to be-"
"Jesus, kid, what?"
"That something smelled delicious!"


Grimey Drawer

gradenko_2000 posted:

"A person is racist or they are not."

Bold pronouncement from someone who doesn't even understand the joke of a loving custom bingo board

Rick_Hunter
Jan 5, 2004

My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
(weapons, shields and drones are still online!)
Your av is starting to convince me that kittens are an evil omen. :smithicide:

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

"Just because I say racist things and have racist opinions doesn't mean I'm a racist!"

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Defenestration posted:


lots and lots of socialism

Whenever the proletariat tries to escape from the pit, some bourgeoisie rear end in a top hat undermines them, AGC.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Capitalism for dummies: the richest one buys the ladder, rises from the pit and pulls the ladder up with him.

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"

Nenonen posted:

Capitalism for dummies: the richest one buys the ladder, rises from the pit and pulls the ladder up with him.



Carlin had the right idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4w7H48tBS8

Grimdude
Sep 25, 2006

It was a shame how he carried on

I love this one, because the picture on the bottom-left is literally just people standing around "looking scary."

Tony Phillips
Feb 9, 2006

Grimdude posted:

I love this one, because the picture on the bottom-left is literally just people standing around "looking scary."

One of the differences is that people apparently no longer wear overalls with their suits.

Edit - since it seems wrong to joke about anyone from the Selma march.

That's James Forman. From his obituary in the LA Times:

"Forman was also physically imposing. He had a large build and wore overalls over a white shirt, the uniform of the working man in the South, though he was a Northerner by birth."

There's load of photos of him wearing overalls. Throwing a suit over it is pretty bad rear end.

Tony Phillips fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Jul 11, 2016

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Grimdude posted:

I love this one, because the picture on the bottom-left is literally just people standing around "looking scary."

Need to replace the top one with a picture showing someone like Sharpton or Wright leading a march and see how long it takes nutjobs after they've already shared it, to catch on and watch their heads explode.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


the_steve posted:

"Just because I say racist things and have racist opinions doesn't mean I'm a racist!"

Let's play "Spot the Real Racist". (Hint: it's you!)

Duke Igthorn
Oct 11, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

I saw that "meeting some cops in a convenience store" message and while it is probably STDH.txt, it is not meant to diminish any group so I will accept that readily as a happy moment.

I just can never get over the "This one black person had a good experience with a cop=saintly fount of wisdom and negro wisdom vs these black people disagree with me=thugs and gang bangers what do they know about race they're racist??"

bullshit like this is just an excuse to not care. They can no longer just say "Another friend of the family got shot, who cares?" now they have to draw and redraw imaginary lines to say the same thing "Another AFRICAN AMERICAN got shot, but look at his Facebook photo/criminal history/ disrespectful attitude/ other black person who wasn't killed/white person who was killed/ARE TROOPS/ARE COPS/missing information/literally anything real or imagined that allows me to say 'who cares' while still maintaining the illusion to myself and others that I'm a good person." This is all they are saying "I don't care about this but I'm still a good person."

So yeah, it does diminish a group: African American victims because hey, if this one black person can get along with cops why can't they all? She really dindo nuffin so they kid who was shot MUST have been doing something to force the cop to shoot him.

VorpalBunny
May 1, 2009

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog

random white dude posted:

*** OKAY...ENOUGH PROTESTING. HERE'S AN IDEA: GO TO WORK. IF YOU ARE UNEMPLOYED, LOOK FOR A JOB. DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. BETTER YOURSELF. IT CAN ONLY HELP.

:qq:The delicious tears of privilege:qq:

Gounads
Mar 13, 2013

Where am I?
How did I get here?

VorpalBunny posted:

:qq:The delicious tears of privilege:qq:

I love that argument.

Follow up with "So you think anyone who really wants one, can get a job?"

They have to say yes at that point.

Finish it with, "Wow, Obama really did do a great job with the economy, huh?"

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


Invariably when they do find a job at something like McDonalds they are called shiftless and have no drive or effort.

Job != livable wage.

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club
Didn't whitey vehemently condemn MLK over the violent protests of the civil rights movement? I seem to even remember editorial cartoons to that effect. Anyone have links?

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015




Spoiler alert: it's because they used the phrase "Black Lives Matter" in a Facebook post.

loving VILE, let me tell you.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Deuce posted:

Didn't whitey vehemently condemn MLK over the violent protests of the civil rights movement? I seem to even remember editorial cartoons to that effect. Anyone have links?

No, he was an avatar of peace and humility who only wanted everyone to be treated equally. That's why people who think both sides of an issue have a point know what he'd want best.

Edit:
Not what you're really looking for, but something that's even more damming than what you asked for:

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
Cross posting from the Onion thread:

Devastating: This Guy Knows Exactly How Black People Should Act Around Police Officers, But He Has No Black Friends To Tell About It

Pantsuit
Oct 28, 2013

The thing that makes me really angry with MLK being used by white conservatives justifying their racism is that if he was still alive today they'd hate him as much as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


The people flipping out about Hillary getting no charges from the FBI are the same types that use cops not getting indicted by grand juries as reasons the system works and black people aren't killed without due process.

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009


From The King Center:

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
https://twitter.com/gtownbabybear/status/752621108692717568

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

Pantsuit posted:

The thing that makes me really angry with MLK being used by white conservatives justifying their racism is that if he was still alive today they'd hate him as much as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


One of the problems with "if MLK Jr was alive today he'd totally hate these protesters ..." is that he isn't alive because he was killed by a white supremacist that had worked on George Wallace's campaign after receiving tons of death threats. He'd probably be dead now of natural causes if he wasn't being born in the 20's but people have been saying that for years without any sense of shame that he was assassinated for talking about equal rights as if back in the day all white people were totally cool with civil rights.

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004

I mean he technically didn't do that at all.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Vargatron posted:

Let's play "Spot the Real Racist". (Hint: it's you!)

What? Preposterous!
I once held a door open for a minority, that proves I'm not a racist!

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

Shared by a really terrible person I used to work with.

I hated her when I worked with her and I thought I'd see what she was up to and thought that maybe I was too harsh to her. Nope.

Rick_Hunter
Jan 5, 2004

My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
(weapons, shields and drones are still online!)

FIRST TIME posted:

Shared by a really terrible person I used to work with.

I hated her when I worked with her and I thought I'd see what she was up to and thought that maybe I was too harsh to her. Nope.



That's just depressing. :smith:

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

There's not even a loving joke in there anywhere.

Jesus Christ, this is why I hate so many of the people I interact with on a daily basis. I laugh at tribute.wmv, Key and Peele is funny as poo poo, Zack Parsons telling that woman that her poison womb is making heaven too loving crowded is hilarious. There are actual jokes being made there. Just being edgy and rude in and of itself isn't humor.

Edmund Sparkler fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jul 12, 2016

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

Radish posted:

One of the problems with "if MLK Jr was alive today he'd totally hate these protesters ..." is that he isn't alive because he was killed by a white supremacist that had worked on George Wallace's campaign after receiving tons of death threats. He'd probably be dead now of natural causes if he wasn't being born in the 20's but people have been saying that for years without any sense of shame that he was assassinated for talking about equal rights as if back in the day all white people were totally cool with civil rights.
Another being that we have good reason to believe he'd be largely supportive of violent protesters today, because he was largely supportive of violent protesters back then.

darthbob88 fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Oct 18, 2016

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
i dunno if he was supportive of violent riots so much as if he was saying that he empathized with those rioting and stating on whom the onus for ending them lay

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

Tim's going to be at the conventions, really hope he does some bits in character as Decker.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

FIRST TIME posted:

There's not even a loving joke in there anywhere.

Jesus Christ, this is why I hate so many of the people I interact with on a daily basis. I laugh at tribute.wmv, Key and Peele is funny as poo poo, Zack Parsons telling that woman that her poison womb is making heaven too loving crowded is hilarious. There are actual jokes being made there. Just being edgy and rude in and of itself isn't humor.

The joke is that the Grandmother thinks that Alzheimer is a name.

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

The joke is that the Grandmother thinks that Alzheimer is a name.

Yeah but it's so weak. It's like that episode of 3rd Rock From the Sun where John Lithgow tries stand up and his jokes are like "The game warden told me that I was over the limit for the day. I told him I only caught three... TWENTY three.

Like yeah, that technically makes sense as a joke but it's so bad and obvious. You can make a joke about pretty much anything but if it's racist or sexist or about any other controversial topic, it better be really clever.

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Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
That joke would totally work in German and plenty of other languages. Not English but whatever.

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