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PriorMarcus posted:Ressurection does have the single best shot of the franchise in it though. 
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Jul 11, 2016 00:36
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Biomute posted:Bad: These are my feelings exactly. Good work.
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Biomute posted:Sentry guns. It's a tense scene, and informs the new character of the aliens and their shift in tactics. Its resolution ever so slightly fucks with the ramping tension of the movie overall, but it's fine to have a few up-and downs. Why the aliens stopped attacking the doors made no sense at all in the movie. The turrets tied everything together.
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Jul 11, 2016 02:35
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MrMojok posted:What was the Hamsters in a Cage scene? They pick up something on the motion tracker when they first go inside and it turns out to be a hamster in a cage
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Jul 11, 2016 02:54
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Micro-changes in air density, my rear end.
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Ripley having a daughter doesn't really cheapen her heroics for me. While I get where the reading that Newt becomes a surrogate daughter comes from, I think it's not fully supported by the film. For me, the existence of the daughter adds an extra level of catharsis to the ending of the film. For Ripley, the Xenomorphs did take her daughter away from her. Having a daughter, heightens her trauma, makes it palatable for the audience. She is saving Newt because she's a hero, but there is an extra level of catharsis that comes from the fact that she is stopping the Xenomorphs from tearing away another loved one from her. The ending is a lot like Scream or Halloween: H20. A victim of trauma rising up, letting the villain become less scary, and rewriting her role in the movie to full on action hero. The daughter makes that trauma a more tangible thing.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Ripley having a daughter doesn't really cheapen her heroics for me. While I get where the reading that Newt becomes a surrogate daughter comes from, I think it's not fully supported by the film. For me, the existence of the daughter adds an extra level of catharsis to the ending of the film. For Ripley, the Xenomorphs did take her daughter away from her. Having a daughter, heightens her trauma, makes it palatable for the audience. The issue here is that the therapeutic structure is bog-standard Hollywood stuff, where Ripley is sent on an 'inner journey' that allows her to 'overcome her trauma' and 'return to a normal life' as a functional member of society or whatever. The same structure is evident in the original, alternate ending of Terminator 2. An elderly Sarah Connor - having defeated a single bad corporation - is now chilling out in the liberal utopia from Demolition Man. She no longer has nightmares, and she has consequently renounced her freedom-fighter ways to settle into retirement. John Connor now works as a liberal senator in this laughable gee-whiz future. This outcome is implicit in every version of the film, but this inferior ending directly visualizes what James Cameron stands for. It's only when you get to Terminator 5 that the truth of Terminator 2 is brought to light. T5 carefully examines the logic of time-travel and concludes that Sarah failed. In destroying the Cyberdyne corporation, a worse Skynet was unleashed. That is the origin of the liquid Terminator: born of Sarah's complacency, built by the very liberal utopia celebrated in that alternate ending. The mother unwittingly sends a killer robot to assassinate her politician son - presumably for being too radical. The point of this, with regard to Aliens, is to understand why the aliens are so ineradicable. They are produced by of normal life. So if it's not Ripley who's attacked next, it'll be someone else. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Ah, it is bad because if you squint hard enough and draw in plot elements from different movies that weren't even filmed, it wasn't Marxist enough! How trite.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Ah, it is bad because if you squint hard enough and draw in plot elements from different movies that weren't even filmed, it wasn't Marxist enough! You are correct, this reading of SMG's post is trite.
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Hodgepodge posted:You are correct, this reading of SMG's post is trite. Cheerleading is trite too.
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Jul 11, 2016 09:20
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See guys, Prometheus is so bad is causes random strangers on the internet to hate each other. Clearly the source of all problems is Prometheus which can only be killed with the 7 special daggers like in The Omen.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Ah, it is bad because if you squint hard enough and draw in plot elements from different movies that weren't even filmed, it wasn't Marxist enough! It's bad because it's a stupid and cliché plotline. Ripley, being a WOMZ, becomes a MOMZ as soon as she sees a kid in trouble. gently caress that stupid poo poo.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Ah, it is bad because if you squint hard enough and draw in plot elements from different movies that weren't even filmed, it wasn't Marxist enough! I did not write that the film is bad. I am writing that you are bad. Aliens is a rather-good film about a woman who fights to protect the Weyland-Yutani corporation from unfashionably greedy employees, stodgy bureaucracy, and alien attack 'from outside'. Of course this is not her explicit motivation. Ripley simply wants a higher-paying and more prestigious job within the corporation, and to raise a family. But the unavoidable conclusion is that, for all her dreams to come true, Weyland-Yutani must be kept intact.
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Tenzarin posted:See guys, Prometheus is so bad is causes random strangers on the internet to hate each other. Clearly the source of all problems is Prometheus which can only be killed with the 7 special daggers like in The Omen. Sorry, you're not going to get the reactions you're looking for. Some people like Prometheus and others don't, nobody really feels the need to beat that dead horse again.
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MonsieurChoc posted:It's bad because it's a stupid and cliché plotline. Ripley, being a WOMZ, becomes a MOMZ as soon as she sees a kid in trouble. gently caress that stupid poo poo. What's wrong with that? parents want to protect kids. I can't really think of many great action movies from the 80s which deal with that really apart from Commando.
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I never really felt like the backstory with Ripley's daughter was necessary to establish the parent-child relationship she has with Newt. I think I was probably 12 or 13 when I saw Aliens for the first time and when Ripley comes out with the mecha suit and says "get away from her you BITCH" even my dumb teenage self was like, "oh yeah uh-huh, I get what you're trying to do, movie."
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exquisite tea posted:I never really felt like the backstory with Ripley's daughter was necessary to establish the parent-child relationship she has with Newt. I think I was probably 12 or 13 when I saw Aliens for the first time and when Ripley comes out with the mecha suit and says "get away from her you BITCH" even my dumb teenage self was like, "oh yeah uh-huh, I get what you're trying to do, movie." Well poo poo doesn't Newt flat-out call her mommy at the end? Reminder: Newt died and afterward Ripley, when asked if Newt was her daughter, said "no." All those warm fuzzies down the toilet. Alien 3 is, in fact, loving awesome.
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I don't understand why people think Alien 3 "ruined" the ending of Aliens. Movies don't all have happy endings, characters die, space is a cold uncaring horrible place and Ripley will have everything she ever loves killed or take away from her. Not every movie needs to have some comic book hero story arc where everything goes along exactly how the viewer expects.
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Baronjutter posted:I don't understand why people think Alien 3 "ruined" the ending of Aliens. Movies don't all have happy endings, characters die, space is a cold uncaring horrible place and Ripley will have everything she ever loves killed or take away from her. Not every movie needs to have some comic book hero story arc where everything goes along exactly how the viewer expects. Cameron wrote the ending a certain way, and then Alien 3 undid all of that in the first five minutes. So the ending that you have in mind where Ripley always loses everything she loves, is not the same one Cameron wanted. In a way, you hit on why people were annoyed with it in your post. The beginning of Alien 3 doesn't feel like a beginning, it feels like a tacked on ending to Aliens. An unearned one.
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Baronjutter posted:I don't understand why people think Alien 3 "ruined" the ending of Aliens. Movies don't all have happy endings, characters die, space is a cold uncaring horrible place and Ripley will have everything she ever loves killed or take away from her. Not every movie needs to have some comic book hero story arc where everything goes along exactly how the viewer expects. I don't think it's so much that movies need to have happy endings, so much that Aliens does have a happy ending, in and of itself. However, in the greater context of Alien 3, that's no longer the case. It comes across as insincere, or even deceptive.
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Basebf555 posted:Cameron wrote the ending a certain way, and then Alien 3 undid all of that in the first five minutes. So the ending that you have in mind where Ripley always loses everything she loves, is not the same one Cameron wanted. In a way, you hit on why people were annoyed with it in your post. The beginning of Alien 3 doesn't feel like a beginning, it feels like a tacked on ending to Aliens. An unearned one. And Aliens undid the happy ending of Alien by letting Ripley drift for 60 years, who gives a poo poo. Alien 3 "earns" (whatever that means) the right to tell its own story by being a good movie.
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And in the assembly cut we get the heartbreaking autopsy scene which makes newt's death worth it. It's not like the characters were just sort of discarded off screen because the next writer didn't want those characters. Their deaths are actually important to the movie.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:And Aliens undid the happy ending of Alien by letting Ripley drift for 60 years, who gives a poo poo. Alien 3 "earns" (whatever that means) the right to tell its own story by being a good movie. Well maybe that's my problem, I don't think Alien 3 is good, so maybe I'm biased. I still don't think that Ripley drifting in space for longer than she anticipated is the same kind of rug-pull maneuver as killing off two major surviving characters in the first five minutes.
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Basebf555 posted:Well maybe that's my problem, I don't think Alien 3 is good, so maybe I'm biased. I still don't think that Ripley drifting in space for longer than she anticipated is the same kind of rug-pull maneuver as killing off two major surviving characters in the first five minutes. Michael Biehn(Hicks), upon learning of Hicks' demise, demanded and received almost as much money for the use of his likeness in one scene as he had been paid for his role in Aliens. Cameron saved the series and they hosed it up again, just like they would again with Alien Resurrection.
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The only death more painful and unnecessary in cinema than killing off Newt and Hicks is when Johnny Cage died in the first five minutes of Mortal Kombat Annihilation.
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Tenzarin posted:Michael Biehn(Hicks), upon learning of Hicks' demise, demanded and received almost as much money for the use of his likeness in one scene as he had been paid for his role in Aliens. B-b-but... Alien is good?!?
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:B-b-but... Alien is good?!? If it was left to Ridley, I'm sure we would of had Alien 2:Crabwalker.  Ridley wanted people turning into eggs! Just imagine it, crabwalking aliens that turn humans into eggs that can also turn into aliens who crabwalk. The Predator better of loving won both the verses movies in that dimension! Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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oldpainless posted:The only death more painful and unnecessary in cinema than killing off Newt and Hicks is when Johnny Cage died in the first five minutes of Mortal Kombat Annihilation.
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hemale in pain posted:What's wrong with that? parents want to protect kids. I can't really think of many great action movies from the 80s which deal with that really apart from Commando. The issue is not that Ripley starts a family, but how 'family' is deployed as support for the liberal ideology of the film. Ripley has absolutely nothing against the Weyland-Yutani corporation's project of 'building better worlds'. She is only against Burke, who corrupted this project with his excessive greed - betraying his employers and therefore his species. At the time of the 2012 elections in America, Joss Whedon released a viral video outlining his political philosophy. In essence: liberalism is necessary because it keeps 'good poors' (e.g. black single mothers, starving African children, etc.) from turning into 'bad poors' (e.g. rioters, terrorists, drug dealers, revolutionaries, etc.). Once poors reach a certain threshold of tolerability, it's necessary to eradicate them - and Whedon is determined to keep the poors as happy and harmless as possible. Hence his support for Obama. As unfortunate as this nonsense is, Whedon's politics are exactly the same as Ripley's in Aliens. Greedy Burke introduced the colonists to unsafe working conditions, provoking a labor uprising. The workers literally 'bug out' and turn against the company. So Ripley's there to both put down this uprising and argue that corporations should be 'green', sustainable, kind to the workers, etc. "Nobody has to be vile." So it bears repeating: Ripley uses 'family' to justify her actions here. The alien queen is specifically a bad parent trying to indoctrinate Newt. The special edition underlines this with the reveal that the queen is actually Newt's father, turned monstrous in a workplace accident. Implicit leader of the uprising, Newt's dad is the 'bitch' that Ripley shoves out the airlock because he threatens to make the homeless Newt into an alien too. Once the aliens are all dead, the nightmare is over and Ripley can return to her dream: building better worlds.
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Annihilation is the most fun I've ever had in a movie theatre, audience was rowdy as gently caress and we had a couple of really sharp hecklers, I just about killed myself laughing
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Clipperton posted:Annihilation is the most fun I've ever had in a movie theatre, audience was rowdy as gently caress and we had a couple of really sharp hecklers, I just about killed myself laughing After watching it recently, it's amazing it made it to theaters.
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Baronjutter posted:I don't understand why people think Alien 3 "ruined" the ending of Aliens. Movies don't all have happy endings, characters die, space is a cold uncaring horrible place and Ripley will have everything she ever loves killed or take away from her. Not every movie needs to have some comic book hero story arc where everything goes along exactly how the viewer expects. Yeah. The world of Alien is nihilistic, dark and uncaring. Aliens is the one that doesn't fit the pattern here, Alien 3 merely brought things back to normal.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Oh, so that's what's wrong with Mortal Kombat: Annihilation I'd say it's actually one of the bigger problems. Linden Ashby added a lot to the first movie, and with him, Annihilation might've been a decent bit better.
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Huh, I never pieced together that the special edition of Aliens implies the queen hatched from Newt's dad.
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