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Hamstradamus predicts: Point drops for: - Breachers - Assault marines - Destroyers - Deredeo Plasma Cannonade (free swap) - Fellblade Modified rules for: - Legion super-heavies (free marine crew like the Glaive) - Falchion (2 shots, instead of 1) - Cerberus (d3+1 shots, instead of d3) Points increase: - Typhon These are just some of the glaring things that come to mind. At the Weekender fans specifically pointed out some of these issues to the staff and they seemed fairly receptive (though a bit clueless sometimes, "breachers need help"), so fingers crossed. Also yeah, I expect every legion to get three units since there's already quite a few that way. UM have Invictarus, Locutarus and Fulmentarus. WB have Gal Vorbak, Ashen Circle and Mhara Gal. IW Havocs, Tyrants and Iron Circle. EC Palatine Blades, Phoenix and Kakophoni. NL are still missing, surprisingly, their Atramentar terminators. SoH will probably get their possessed lupercali. Wolves I guess two assault marine variants and one terminator, like the UM. Thousand Sons a terminator variant, veteran variant and their troop robbits. Mango Polo fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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I think if the plasma cannonade was free I'd be happy to use it. At the moment it's just too expensive to lose sky fire (even tho apparently we can sky fire with blasts now) I'm having a great time painting up my WB demon prince... Will start on witchypoo Marines soon. Any recommended load outs for a Chaplain leading 9 Gal vorbak in a raider?
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Jul 11, 2016 10:54
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DJ Dizzy posted:The rapier phosphexes. So an HQ tax +20 points isn't enough for a weaker phosphex?
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Jul 11, 2016 11:29
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I dont think wolves will get Assault Marines. After all, they aren't too fond of the damned things.
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Jul 11, 2016 14:50
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They like to jump out into the open and run straight down at the enemy to engage in close combat, getting themselves gunned down like little shits in the process. Sounds like assault marines to me!  Probably a destroyer variant, since the SW fighting style is supposed to be pretty horrific and inhuman. They're getting re-named HQs but I don't count those in the probable 3 new units.
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Jul 11, 2016 15:26
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I'm really curious what Dark Angels will wind up getting as their unique units. Their gimmicks during 30k are their different wings and Ravenwing and Ironwing are already represented by Rites of War. Deathwing can be approximated with Pride of the Legion though I'm sure they'll get a unique terminator or veteran unit. Beyond that I got nothing.Lord Twisted posted:Any recommended load outs for a Chaplain leading 9 Gal vorbak in a raider?
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Jul 11, 2016 18:26
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the special edition is sold out already, well screw you too fw
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Jul 11, 2016 18:30
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Safety Factor posted:I'm really curious what Dark Angels will wind up getting as their unique units. Their gimmicks during 30k are their different wings and Ravenwing and Ironwing are already represented by Rites of War. Deathwing can be approximated with Pride of the Legion though I'm sure they'll get a unique terminator or veteran unit. Beyond that I got nothing. Probably a squad of literal Knights with fancy swords, and hopefully a terminator unit that can take the repeaters.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:30
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Safety Factor posted:I'm really curious what Dark Angels will wind up getting as their unique units. Their gimmicks during 30k are their different wings and Ravenwing and Ironwing are already represented by Rites of War. Deathwing can be approximated with Pride of the Legion though I'm sure they'll get a unique terminator or veteran unit. Beyond that I got nothing. Templar Brethen-esque unit of power sword users? Since they seem to be a bit nuts about swords. For something interesting maybe a variant tactical support squad, to reflect them being galactic pack rats. A 50S RAYGUN posted:the special edition is sold out already, well screw you too fw It sold in like two hours on the first day Mango Polo fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Jul 11, 2016 18:31
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Safety Factor posted:Also, aren't Gal Vorbak bulky? They wouldn't be able to fit inside of a land raider. Finally an excuse to use the Kharybdis Assault Claw 
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Jul 11, 2016 18:59
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Hencoe posted:Probably a squad of literal Knights with fancy swords, and hopefully a terminator unit that can take the repeaters. Mango Polo posted:Templar Brethen-esque unit of power sword users? Since they seem to be a bit nuts about swords. For something interesting maybe a variant tactical support squad, to reflect them being galactic pack rats. It's a weapon that is sadly under-represented in 30k/40k. The only one I can think of is the Deathwing Champion's. That thing's beastly at S+2 and AP2.An insane support/destroyer hybrid pack rat squad would be interesting too. There's a lot of room to play around with that, but I'm sort of imagining a squad with volkites, jump packs, and all sorts of goofy grenades and special weapons. It probably won't happen though. On a similar note, I am really hoping that destroyers get a solid discount in the new legion book. They're a great unit concept and I really want to have an excuse to build some.
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Right now Havocs are the only unique support/heavy squad around, would be fun to have more of those. Dark Angels with all of their old/appropriated tech would be pretty sweet. Meanwhile I hope either Blood Angels and/or Thousand Sons get their flying chariots 
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Sivores posted:In the blackshield marauder unit profile do their 2 attacks come from being double armed or just naturally as it doesn't say in their unit entry. I assume that it comes from being double armed and forgeworld just missed it like normal, but they usually make a point of saying if it does or does not. I'm trying to figure out a nice composition for a squad or two before I build them. FW is better than this than GW. Those 2 attacks are base attacks, so they are like veterans- 3 attacks if they have two weapons and 4 attacks on the charge. Go hog wild. Blackshields are all about the pariah stuff IMO. They want to be in melee and have gear that's mid range, but lets them shoot, move, and charge stuff,
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Out of curiosity, is there way to have a single Knight as a Lord of War choice. I ask because I've been painting up a Knight who in my fluff is freeblade that oathed himself to the Word Bearers. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:06
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The Sisko posted:Out of curiosity, is there way to have a single Knight as a Lord of War choice. I ask because I've been painting up a Knight who in my fluff is freeblade that oathed himself to the Word Bearers. One of the things we have seen from the new red book is now Knights can be a war machine detachment for legions without allying in the questoris list, you just don't get access to household ranks.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:30
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Mango Polo posted:They like to jump out into the open and run straight down at the enemy to engage in close combat, getting themselves gunned down like little shits in the process. Sounds like assault marines to me! FW said at the last weekender that the SW are going to get custom consuls, more custom units, and then not have access to some other units.
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Admech can take any knight as a LOWHencoe posted:One of the things we have seen from the new red book is now Knights can be a war machine detachment for legions without allying in the questoris list, you just don't get access to household ranks. Personally, I hope this isn't true.
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BULBASAUR posted:Admech can take any knight as a LOW Gotta sell those knight kits. Expect more of this now that GW prime is taking a more active role in HH stuff.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:53
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BULBASAUR posted:Personally, I hope this isn't true.
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Jul 12, 2016 00:46
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Safety Factor posted:This isn't new. You can already take one to two knights as a single Lord of War choice in 30k. The 25% limitation goes a long way to stopping that dumb poo poo though. I'd love to see 40k-proper adopt that too, but fat chance of that. The reason I asked was because I remember that the LOW had to be drawn from either the primary detachment or from Apocalypse datasheets. This wasn't for any event , I was just wondering if there was a rules framework in 30k for it. If I was to bring a Knight or two it would be with my opponents OK.
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The Sisko posted:The reason I asked was because I remember that the LOW had to be drawn from either the primary detachment or from Apocalypse datasheets. This wasn't for any event , I was just wondering if there was a rules framework in 30k for it. If I was to bring a Knight or two it would be with my opponents OK.
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BULBASAUR posted:Admech can take any knight as a LOW Why would I lie to you.  Also this 
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Could be worse I guess. One knight at 2000 points isn't bad. Just sucky that admech looses one of it's perks. e: vvvv drat straight 
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Jul 12, 2016 01:54
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Something has to weigh up for Anacharis
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Jul 12, 2016 01:56
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Safety Factor posted:
Yeah I meant to say Spartan. I think you're right, I'll just chuck on a decent armour save, Melta bombs and give him a power maul. He's there because he has to be.
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You know what's going to be hilarious? The knight Porphyrion as a LoW. The one that's Warhound-sized. On the other hand the new writing allows stuff like the bitchin' Praetor Launcher and Minotaur Artillery to be fielded. DJ Dizzy posted:Something has to weigh up for Anacharis But we can forward to even more crazy toys in Inferno, since there's a whole section about new poo poo for Legio Cybernetica.
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I think as long as the 25% rule is adhered to, poo poo shouldn't get too crazy. But I agree a 475pt LOW in 2000 is quite rough when you consider how Heresy balances itself. I don't even have a LOW in 2500 in my word bearers list, but a Bloodthirster and demon prince are pretty undercosted when compared to Heresy sooooo
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Mango Polo posted:On the other hand the new writing allows stuff like the bitchin' Praetor Launcher and Minotaur Artillery to be fielded. If only the Minotaur wasn't completely impractical in a regular sized game I would grab one for my ordo Reductor, could also use ap2 though.
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Jul 12, 2016 10:47
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I dont get the minotaur. The 24 minimum range really kills it for me.
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Prices for the upcoming super heavies. Mastodon: 300£ Stormbird: 750£ Whew.
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Jul 12, 2016 16:26
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The mastodon is a GI Joe piece of poo poo.
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Jul 12, 2016 16:48
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Mango Polo posted:Prices for the upcoming super heavies. Dollars or points?
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Eifert Posting posted:Dollars or points?
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TTerrible posted:The mastodon is a GI Joe piece of poo poo. I know, it owns
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Jul 12, 2016 18:21
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TTerrible posted:The mastodon is a GI Joe work of art.
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Jul 12, 2016 18:29
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Safety Factor posted:British monopoly money dollars. Lol I was joking. My phone doesn't show the pounds symbol. Satire is dead when it comes to GW pricing. I wonder what their point value is.
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They are both Lords of War. The Mastodon is a 700 points transport that you probably will never be able to justify using. The Stormbird is 850 points of "why didn't you just bring a loving warhound".
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Jul 12, 2016 19:06
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So wrong for 28mm, so right for Epic.
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Mango Polo posted:They are both Lords of War. Because a warhound isn't a flying Falchion with a 50 man assault transport. Also they better allow it to transport MCs so the iron circle jerk can get somewhere in a reasonable amount of time for an unreasonable amount of points
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I'm honestly kind of terrified of how horrifically long of a game it would be where you can not only field either of those monsters, but still have the points left over to fill them up with adequate units. At this point you're basically using the entire living room as the battlefield, with the furniture as impassable mountains and cats as warp storms.
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