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FANSean
Nov 9, 2010
Now that we're at the intro to this case, I have to say I really like the way the case intros evolve.

In case 1, you get to see the true murderer immediately and he shows up as the second witness of the trial, very early on.

In case 2, the real murderer shows up in the intro but in the actual case, he only shows up in the second half.

In case 3, you aren't shown anyone from the case in the intro so you have basically nothing to go with.

Case 4's intro sets it up to look like the guy you're defending is the one who actually did it (Of course, he obviously didn't. Or did he?)

It makes the stakes seem a little higher each time.

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Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.

FANSean posted:

Case 4's intro sets it up to look like the guy you're defending is the one who actually did it (Of course, he obviously didn't. Or did he?)

Mors Rattus posted:

: Nick... Mr. Edgeworth did it, didn't he.

It's a pretty great escalation.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Mors Rattus posted:

I guess the intent is that it is illegal to set forth your mystic power to force someone into a marriage without their informed consent because you mind control them.

With your power, which you have set forth.

I mean, that's the whole enemies-into-staunchest-friends bit, isn't it?

Note that the religion line gives voudoun practitioners an out, which I assume is intended, because New Orleans.

The intent is to outlaw psychics and fortunetellers and poo poo.

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Oct 25, 2007

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Yeah, I meant the specific 'effect marriage' clause.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I guess Maya can't go to Mardi Gras.

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Case 4 - Turnabout Goodbyes
Investigation (Day 1) - Part 2

First, checking our current profiles.









Now, on to the investigation.





: Yup. I'm not sure it warrants a "wowsers," though.
: Hmm. Probably not.
: But hey, look at that snack stand!
: "Samurai Dogs"...?
: I wanna Samurai Dog! Please!
: I bet they're great!
: With a name like Samurai Dog, how could they not be?
: They're a little behind the times, though. The kids are all into "The Pink Princess" now.
: I mean, like, y'know!?
: (Nope.)

Let's look around.



: Wow. Gourd Lake is really big.
: Yeah.
: Say, Nick. Why is it called "Gourd Lake"?
: Oh. Well, a long time ago, they used to grow gourds here.
: Whoa! No way!
: I was sure it was because the lake looked like a gourd when viewed from above!
: You know, like an hourglass shape?
: Well, it is shaped like a gourd, actually. But that's just a coincidence.
: Oh. Okay.



: The trashcan is empty. At least the place is well maintained.



: A lineup of plastic benches. I guess the idea is you buy a dog and eat it here. I doubt anyone would sit here and eat on a day like this. Except maybe Maya... if she had a Samurai Dog.





: ...and it goes "pop." Yeah, I know the ones. You see them a lot around New Year's.
: Hey, Nick! It might be a clue!
: Let's take it.
: C'mon, admit it. You just want to pop it, right?
: Was it that obvious?



: I suppose it couldn't hurt. Huh? Where'd it go?
: I already put it in my pocket.





: A hotdog stand. It's closed... The Christmas fringe looks a little half-baked. The banner reads "Samurai Dogs"... Somebody needs to redecorate.

That's all we can see here for now.







: Look... someone's camping!
: They've got guts, camping at the scene of a murder.
: Hey, hey, Nick!
: If they were camping here last night, they might know something about the murder!
: (That's true...) Good call, Maya. Let's go talk to them.

Well, first we look around.



: Hey, Nick!
: What, don't tell me you're hungry again?
: No, no.
: I was just wondering, why are camping pots and pans made of aluminum?
: ... They didn't talk about that in any of the law books.
: So, there's no law saying they have to be made out of aluminum, then!
: (I'm not having this conversation...)



: This SUV has seen better days. It's dented all over. I can't believe anyone would drive their car down here.



: The trees grow quite thick here. Further back, the trees fade into the shadow where the sunlight can't reach them.



: The sign says "No Camping." Funny place to pick to pitch your tent.
: Wait, what if the sign said "No Setting Tents on Fire"?
: ... I don't think they have signs like that.
: Oh...



: There's food and some magazines on the sheet. It takes a pretty tough skin to camp in this cold.



: This camera has a mic and some sort of attachment. It must take pictures when triggered by a noise.
: Wow! Cool! Let's try it out!
: *cough*
: "Hi, I'm Nick!"
: ... Maybe I'm not saying it loud enough.
: "HEY! I'M NICK!!!"
: ... Huh.
: NIIIIIIIIII... ...IIIIIIIIIICK!
: Will you stop that?
: Maybe it's broken?
: D-don't kick it! Maybe it isn't set to respond to voices?



: The party popper...?





: ... Yep. It responded.
: Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!



: Eek!





: Look what ya done now! There goes a whole roll of film!
: Ah? Wha... huh? S-sorry!
: Sorry's nice but it don't pay my bills! Y'all know how much a roll of that film costs!?
: I-I'll pay you back!
: What were ya'll thinkin' settin' off a party-popper in a place like this?

Not my fuckup, that ya'll.

: Uh... well...
: What!



: Yeah, I know how y'all Yanks think! "I say, those southern folks talk with that exaggerated drawl, why they must be dumb!"
: Well let me tell you, just because I might be dumb don't mean we all are!
: N-Nick, help!
: And who are you, now? Her chaperone?
: Yeah, uh, no, rather, uh... we're sort of... friends?
: Jus' figure out what y'all are gonna say and say it for bejeezum's sake!



: (Oh boy... I guess we should pay her for the film...)
: Watch it!
: Yes ma'am. (On second thought, I'll pay later...)
: I'm really sorry!

We can ask her stuff, but all the responses are the same.

: Umm...
: What!? Can't ya see I'm changin' the film on my camera here!
: Someone--I'm not namin' any names--but someone used up a WHOLE ROLL.
: Sorry...
: (That didn't work... I wonder if I have anything to show her that would get her attention...)

So we get out our badge.



: Huh? Aren't badges supposed t' be all shiny and impressive? You a cop or something?
: Umm... I'm a lawyer.
: Wh-what!? Y'all ain't gonna try and pull one o' them lawsuits on me over that film now?
: Cause I'll have y'all know I'm a fighter and I wrassled meaner lookin' things'n you!
: N-no, that's not it at all. We're here investigating a murder that took place here, on the lake.



: ...





: (Finally! Some cooperation!)
: You too. Y'all can come out of hiding now. I won't bite. Hard.
: (Come to think of it, where did Maya get to?)
: S-sorry... I-I was feeling a little overwhelmed. The culture gap and all...
: Never you mind, honey. I kin' talk Yank for ya if... ahem... if it pleases you?
: Th-thanks. I think I'll be okay.
: Great then! I'm Lotta. Lotta Hart, but y'all can call me Lotta! I'm here photographing meteor showers for a research project.
: Mighty pleased ta meet ya!

Now we can ask her questions.



: Oh yeah, when was that murder, anyway?
: I ain't seen much television lately.
: It happened late in the night on Christmas Eve.
: That so? Christmas Eve?
: A man on a boat was shot... Did you see anything?
: Well, lemme see. A boat, ya say? I reckon I mighta seen one... not sure though.



: I seen enough boats to choke a mule. Kinda hard to remember which I seen when.



: So, what is it you do, Lotta?
: Huh? Me?
: Hah hah. Y'all don't really want to know that, do ya?
: Actually, I'm a research student at Country U., right in the heart of the heartland.
: Wow! Neat!
: Nick! She's a research student at a university! Country U.!
: Uh... so I hear.
: So, when did you come up here?
: Hmm, lemme see... I guess it was 'bout three days ago.
: What are you photographing?
: D-didn't I tell y'all that already? Meteors! Yep, meteor showers!
: (Falling stars...?)





: Y'all better know it! It's German-made. A genuine Solingen!
: (Isn't that where they make knives...?)
: Umm...
: So, what's that device you have stuck to the camera?
: Huh? Device?
: It started moving all by itself when I fired my party popper...
: Oh that? That triggers the shutter whenever it detects certain sounds. It's programmed to pick up loud noises right now.
: A programmable camera! Neat!



We can immediately present the camera, too.

: Lotta?
: Yeah?



: Ayup.
: Actually, the victim in the case we're researching--he was shot with a pistol.
: A pistol...?
: Right. Now wouldn't a gunshot make a similar noise to our party popper...?
: I guess it would.
: Your camera... didn't get a picture of the murder, did it?
: ...
: Hey! Y'all are pretty bright!
: Huh?
: I see what yer sayin'...
: Tell ya what, I'll have a look-see at my film.
: It would have been a photo taken late last night...
: I checked 'em once, don't remember if there was anything on 'em though.
: But what if I got sumtin'! I could be witness to a genuine murder! Yeehaw! I'll go check that film. Y'all come back now, y'hear?

She leaves.

: She went inside her SUV.
: I guess we should come back later...

So let's find somewhere else to poke for a bit.







: A boat rental shop. Closed for Christmas it seems. I guess a murder taking place on one of the boats won't be good for business, either.
: Boats... I've never ridden on a boat.
: Really? Well, how about we go out on one when the trial is finished?
: Hey, good idea! You bet!

Let's look around a bit.



: There's more forest off that way. I doubt I'd find any helpful clues in there.



: A small boat rental shop. Doesn't look like anyone is around. They're probably closed because it's Christmas.



: There are some boats floating at the dock. Was one of these boats used in the murder, I wonder?
: Nick?
: Huh?
: I changed my mind. I don't really want to go for a boat ride.

...and that's all there is to see in this area! So let's go visit the cops.







: I guess Detective Gumshoe is still in that meeting.



: Thanks for coming down, pal!
: Detective Gumshoe!
: We just finished the meeting. For better or for worse...
: (I get the feeling we're in for some bad news...)



We'll look around to delay the bad news.



: These are the detectives' desks. There are computers and files on each one. Funny, they're a lot tidier than I'd expect. I guess the detectives don't spend a lot of time at their desks.



: Hey, is that the police department's mascot...?



: It was my idea! I made it! It's my mascot!
: I... see. How nice.
: I'll get him assigned mascot of the Criminal Affairs Dept. if it's the last thing I do!
: Um, good luck!



: That must be the chief of the detectives here. He's glued to his computer screen.
: Wha...!? "Gourd Lake...!" "Gourdy sighted"!!! I don't believe it!
: (Shouldn't you be reading something more important...?)



: A poster of a female police officer... Wait, no. That's the latest "Babes in Uniform" calendar. My bad.



: That must be one of the detectives. He's mumbling something to himself.
: "All right, hands against the wall, all o' you... Don't even think about escaping! I got eyes in the back of my head!"
: ... He must be doing image training for arrests.

So, let's talk to Gumshoe.



: Do you know anything about the victim yet?
: No, no... Still can't I.D. him.
: Has Mr. Edgeworth said anything?
: Not a word.



: So, how did the meeting go?
: I can't tell you, pal! You're a lawyer!
: T-true...
: ... Y'know... I don't know what to believe anymore. Sure, Mr. Edgeworth's human like you or me.
: Still...
: I get the feeling that if he'd done something wrong, he wouldn't go hiding it. That's just the kind of guy he is.
: Why can't anyone else see that?
: So, they think that Mr. Edgeworth did it...?
: Well, the trial's starting tomorrow, as scheduled.
: I see...
: ...
: Umm... hey, in the end you did tell us about the meeting!
: ... Don't got telling anyone else, pal.
: Y-yes, sir!
: And... do me a favor! Stand by Mr. Edgeworth!
: He needs help, and you're the ones to help him! I'm sure he's got some reason why he won't talk to us.
: Thanks, Detective Gumshoe.



: Detective Gumshoe... How come you trust Mr. Edgeworth so much?
: Well, I'd think that was obvious. We got a strong working relationship, us two. We trust each other, and that's how it works.
: A "working relationship"?
: See, Mr. Edgeworth always gets his defendants declared "guilty" every time.
: Yeah, his methods might be a little extreme at times. But... there's a reason!
: He trusts our investigation, see? He trusts us to get the right man! That's why I work extra hard, pal. We've got to earn that trust he places in us.
: I see...
: Mr. Edgeworth is a man you can trust... And you have my word on that!



: I was wondering, did you ever get that autopsy report?
: Oh, that? Yeah, I made a copy for you.



: Thank you.
: ...Nick?
: Huh?
: CAn you show me that photo of the victim?



: That face...!
: Someone you know?
: I... I don't know.
: I just have this feeling that I met him somewhere a long time ago. ...

The badge has been surprisingly useful lately, so we try that, too.

: Sorry, I'm drawing a blank right now.

Next time: Backstory.

Portland, Oregon, Code chapter 8.36.160 posted:

8.36.160 Cleaning Skeletons.
It is unlawful to scrape or clean the skeleton of any dead body in any burial ground within the city, except in a suitable building erected thereon. It is unlawful to deposit any scrapings or dead matter from any skeleton or dead body in any burial ground in said City in such manner as to expose the scrapings or dead metter to public view.

Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jul 9, 2016

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

You can probably guess that our afro'd friend here was from Osaka with a Kansai dialect in the original Japanese.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Mors Rattus posted:

: So, what is it you do, Lotta?
: Huh? Me?
: Hah hah. Y'all don't really want to know that, do ya?
: Actually, I'm a research student at Country U., right in the heart of the heartland.
: Wow! Neat!
Some misplaced portraits here.

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Haifisch posted:

Some misplaced portraits here.

Fixed.

Lotta has too many portraits and my pasting got messed up there.

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Mors Rattus posted:

: Thanks for ocming down, pal!

: I get the feeling htat if he'd done something wrong,

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Fixed.

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING
A little bit late but I think "Charley" is an obtuse reference to Chuck the Plant, a completely inconsequential background prop from Day of the Tentacle. Chuck had no bearing on anything, but he was pretty great all the same. The story goes that Ron Gilbert really likes the name "Chuck" so he tries to work it into places where he can (see also: LeChuck the pan-undead pirate).

MegaZeroX
Dec 11, 2013

"I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"



Oops wrong thread. Sorry!

MegaZeroX fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jul 10, 2016

Deadmeat5150
Nov 21, 2005

OLD MAN YELLS AT CLAN
Where is that picture that was in the last thread, the one someone drew of Phoenix practicing flashing his badge in the mirror?

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
The judge and whoever prosecutes Edgeworth are going to have conniptions with Lotta on the stand.

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Everyone is going to have conniptions with Lotta on the stand. That's just an average tuesday, there's an average of one conniption-inducing witness per case.

ManicVolcanic
Jun 5, 2016

Omobono posted:

That's just an average tuesday, there's an average of one conniption-inducing witness per case.

Slightly higher by my count. Larry, April, Wendy, and Sal make four in three cases.

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Case 4 - Turnabout Goodbyes
Investigation (Day 1) - Part 3



We're heading back to the office to regroup.



: What is it?
: Oh.
: Nothing... just, something's been bothering me.
: ...



: ... ... ...
: Hey! I-I remember now!



: This is a lawyer that was at that office Mia worked at!



: I met him once when I went there to hang out with Sis!
: That office...? Wait!



: Right! That guy!
: (That was the last name I expected to come up... Maybe I should go talk to him... for old time's sake.)

But first, let's ask Maya for advice.



: Well, what should we do?
: Hmm... The police have pretty much made up their minds that Mr. Edgeworth did it. And Mr. Edgeworth won't tell us anything.
: I guess we could go look for clues down by the lake?
: Right.



: Well? Penny for your thoughts?
: Thoughts... Thoughts... Yeah, why won't Mr. Edgeworth tell us anything? And... and...
: And why did he refuse to ask for our help?
: What a jerk!





: It's been a while since I was here last. Mr. Grossberg is out as usual.
: Hey, Nick. Look at the wall.
: (That painting is still missing... Mia must have known about the deal with Mr. Grossberg and Redd White... She kept track of all of White's extortion and blackmail rackets.)

We can still look around, though.



: A table for clients. Hmm... an elegant ebony case, and if I'm not mistaken, that lighter's made of solid gold. Even I can tell someone here's got money to burn.
: We should put things on our client table too.
: I'm not really into smoking.
: We could put out candy, or gum.
: Classy...



: An expensive potted plant. No idea what kind of plant it is, but it's probably the most expensive one available.
: I think our Charley is cuter.
: Right. He's a really cute... plant.



: A solid mahogany desk. The wood's been polished to a deep luster.
: Hey, Nick! I want a desk like that in our office too!
: I don't know. I don't think I'm ready to sit at a desk like that yet.
: Huh?
: I meant for me!
: You'd better start saving your allowance, then.



: Why is the wall there a different color?
: A big painting was hanging there until recently.
: Huh. What happened to it?
: Uh... well, he gave it to someone.
: I bet he gave it to some romantic interest! Love blooms eternal, Nick!
: Uh... yeah.



: Expensive-looking mahogany bookshelves, filled with expensive-looking books. Hmm... funny... They don't look like they've ever been read.
: Well then let's take them back to our office! He won't miss them!
: Uh, we don't need them.
: Then, can we take that wooden bear?
: (Hmm. It is kind of cute.)

And now, back to the lake.









: Lotta!
: Wait up a sec! We got bingo!
: Bingo...?
: My automatic camera took two pictures last night!
: Hey!





: See? See? He's shooting him with that pistol!
: I-it looks like that, yes.
: But you can't really tell who that is shooting.
: Yeah, well there was enough fog out there last night t' strangle a bullfrog.
: But, y'know...



: What...?
: I saw the murder happen. I'm a witness!



: A-are you serious!?
: Course!
: (How do you forget... never mind.)





: I... reckon so!
: What's that? Now don't y'all go tryin' to mock my accent!
: I'm a sensitive lady!

Or...



: I... reckon no!
: What's that? Now don't y'all think y'all can pull one over on me just cause you speak the lingo!
: I know enough to know that when you see a murder, you'd best tell the cops! It's my obligation as a citizen!

Convergence.

: Hey, so, I'm off to talk to the cops.



: Later.
: W-w-wait! Lotta!
: What? Can't y'all see I'm kinda busy?
: T-tell us what you saw, too! Please?
: Nice try, honey, but I wasn't born yesterday. I'm a witness, and that means I'm on the side of justice, and that means the cops! I'd sooner eat the south side of a north-bound skunk than tell you!
: L-Lotta!
: Don't let it get your skivvies in a bunch. Friends today, enemies tomorrow! Or was that the other way round? No matter. I'm gone!
: Hey! Maybe they'll let me do some testifying! Hot darn!

She leaves.

: She left... ... Well, that's one more witness. What do we do now, Nick?
: (Well, if she saw something, there's not much we can do about it. The question is: what exactly did she see...? I guess we'll find out in the trial tomorrow.)



We get this evidence, at least. We start making our way back.







: Hey!



: Aah! N-Nick! I think Santa's mad at you!
: Long time no see, Nick.
: Nick... you know Santa!? Wow... Nick and St. Nick... Hey! I see the connection!
: Don't be ridiculous!
: Dude, it's me!



: What are you doing here!?
: Isn't it obvious? I'm working my day job! I sell Samurai Dogs! Want one? Gotta get money for dates, you know. My girl Kiyance deserves the best!
: (K-Kiyances...? Not another model, I hope...)
: Oh, Kiyance's a fine, fine woman, Nick. It was her idea that I wear this costume! She was all "You go girlfriend!" Y'know? She bought this costume for me!
: That's... that's great, Larry.
: Wow! A Santa costume! She must be really nice!



: Nick! Who's she? She's not your...?
: Not my... what? N-no, she's not!
: I'm his partner, Maya Fey. I'm, uh, the little sister.
: Sister...? ...



: Working nine to five, having to take care of a little sister...
: N-no, I'm not Nick's sister, I'm my older sister's little sister...
: Huh. Sounds great!
: (Don't worry, Maya, he's not listening...)



: Hey, Larry. There was a murder here last night... You work here. Have you heard anything?
: Nick, you're wasting your time. Last night was Christmas Eve!
: He was with Kiyance, obviously!
: He wouldn't have been standing out here in the cold!
: Oof!
: ?
: I think what you just said caught him off guard, Maya.
: N-no, it's just... Kiyance's not in town right now. She... she's in Hawaii on a photo shoot.
: (A model. I knew it.) Well, anyway, there was a murder here on the lake. The trial's tomorrow.
: Huh. Neat.
: The defendant is Edgeworth. Miles Edgeworth.
: Um, Nick?
: Why would Larry know Edgeworth...?
: Whoa, Nick! You don't mean THAT Miles Edgeworth!? Old Edgey!?
: Yeah. He's a murder suspect.
: Wh-whoa! Murder?
: Huh? You know Mr. Edgeworth, Larry?
: Yeah! Of course!
: Edgey was in the same class as us in grade school!





: Umm... umm... tell me about the dogs!
: Huh? Oh, you mean the Samurai Dogs?
: W-why are they Samurai Dogs?
: I... I mean they kind of look gourd-shaped.
: Oh, well originally, they were Gourd Dogs! Y'know, like "guard dogs"?
: Ouch...
: The Samurai thing was Kiyance's idea. Oh, she's my woman, y'know. She was all "change the name and you go girlfriend!" She made me that banner! Man, the kids can't get enough of those Samurai Dogs!
: Erm... Something about that just seems... wrong.
: Oh, and guess what? We're getting a ton of customers here at the lake, what with the big news!
: The "big news"...?
: Yeah! Gourdy!
: G-"Gourdy"...?



: So, Mr. Edgeworth was your classmate, Larry?
: Yeah, Nick, him, and I used to hang out all the time.
: Wow... I never knew.
: Don't get me wrong. He's always been kind of a stick in the mud. Studying all the time, trying to "be like father."
: Like his father...?
: Yeah. Edgey's pop was a famous defense lawyer back in the day.
: Wow.
: Wait... You said "defense lawyer"?
: Yeah.
: Wait a second!
: But Mr. Edgeworth is a prosecuting attorney!
: What? Edgey's got a proboscis on his knee!?
: No, no--he's a "prosecuting attorney." That's like the total opposite of a defense lawyer!
: ...
: Huh. Go figure! He always used to talk about defending the "weak" who were "unable to defend themselves." Man, he used to go on and on about man's duty to society and all that. What a bore! I wonder what changed his mind, though?

I feel I should point out that this took place when everyone involved was, like, ten.

: Do you know, Nick?
: ... Nick...?



: Umm... what's "Gourdy"?
: Huh? You mean you don't know? It's here, in this very lake! A giant, mysterious monster! Gourdy!
: A... monster?
: Yeah.



: Wow! It's r-really real!





: Nick! A monster! A real monster!
: Umm... yeah. (It's probably just a log or something... right?) Hey... there's a quote here from the person who took the photo. Hmm? What's this? "I set the camera to automatic, and when we got into the frame... I heard a loud 'bang'! Like an explosion... followed by the sound of something slipping into the water..."



: I wish I could have seen it!
: (Why would there be a sound like an explosion...?) Larry. Could I borrow this article from you?
: Sure, no problem. That'll be one million dollars!
: O-one million...?
: (Grow up, Larry.)



Oh, and we use the badge, of course.



: Dude, you really helped me out back in that trial.
: S-sorry, I can't really pay you.
: (Cause you blow it all on "Kiyance"...!)
: But... you can have all the dogs you want!
: R-really!?
: Larry... If you let her at your dogs, you won't have any left for the other customers.
: Hey, no problem. If that's what makes her happy, y'know?
: (How many times do I have to remind you that it was ME who got you off the hook!)

And now, back to visit Grossberg.







: (Ah, that old familiar clearing of the throat!)



: Ah hah! You're Mia's... something, are you not?
: I was her understudy, yes. Phoenix Wright.
: Ah hah! And you, you're Mia's... something too, are you not?
: Her little sister, yes!
: You've grown! You've come to look a lot like your sister, you know? It takes me back. "Ahh... the days of my youth... like the scent of fresh lemon..." you see.
: Um, Mr. Grossberg, sir?
: Hmmm...?
: Ah, yes. I beg your pardon. Of course you came here to discuss something.
: What is it then? Something the matter?



: There was a murder last night...
: A murder?
: You haven't heard...?
: I, er, just got up, you see.
: Well, Miles Edgeworth shot someone with a pistol.
: Edgeworth!? What!? W-who!?
: Well, the identity of the victim is still unknown.
: T-this is terrible news indeed!
: (I guess he hadn't heard anything...)



: Mr. Grossberg? Whatever happened to that painting?
: Oh, yes...
: I do not think it shall ever be coming back home to this office. I can't exactly claim it as stolen...
: I suppose it's my just desserts. Old, bitter desserts.

First, badge.



: How proud Mia would be if she could see you now!
: She said she was more worried about me than anything.
: Aw, just go on and take the compliment, will you?

But next we present the autopsy report.



: I feel as though I've seen this man somewhere before! ...
: Aaaaaaaaaaaaah!
: Did you remember!?
: He was a lawyer! Here, in my office! That's Hammond! Robert Hammond!
: Mr. Hammond...?
: And you say this is the man Miles Edgeworth shot?



: Who is this Hammond guy, anyway?
: Mr. Hammond... He was the defense attorney in that case...
: "That case"...?
: Yes, the "DL-6 Incident."
: "DL-6"...? (Why does that sound so familiar?)
: Perhaps you remember?
: (I'm sure someone mentioned it during the trial for Mia's murder.)
: That was the incident where the police were so at a loss they used a spirit medium.
: ...! Wait... you don't mean?
: Was that medium my mother?
: Yes, my dear. The spirit medium, Misty Fey, your mother, contacted the spirit of the victim.
: But... the case was at a loss. No conviction was made.



: The DL-6 Incident, yes... Happened 15 years ago. A very strange case, indeed.



: They never caught the criminal, right?
: Correct. Misty Fey used her powers to talk to the spirit of the late victim. Her testimony led to charges being laid against one man.



: ... And the police blamed my mother, calling her a fraud.
: You were the one who helped her out then, right, Mr. Grossberg?
: Er... y-yes. Yes, quite.
: Thank you!
: N-no... please. D-don't mention it.
: ... (DL-6... Never thought I'd hear that name again...)
: But wait...
: What does that case have anything to do with Mr. Edgeworth?
: It has everything to do with Mr. Edgeworth, my dear! The victim in the DL-6 Incident was none other than his father, Gregory Edgeworth!
: Wh-what!? His father!?



: ...
: If you want to know more, you should ask him yourself.



: Wait...
: This is a photograph of my mother!



Next time: Defense.

Walnut City, California, Municipal Code Section 17-31 posted:

17-31 Male dressing as female.
No man or boy shall dress as a girl or woman without a permit from the sheriff, except for the purpose of amusement, show or drama.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
I don't know if that is an actual thing, but why did the camera only take one picture of the murder? It shot of the whole film when it heard that bang from the cracker.

Also how would it hear a comet anyway?
...She's totally just looking for the monster.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Soap Opera intensifies.

Is this the final case in this game?

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?
It was the final case of the original GBA release, but the DS remake adds a fifth.

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?
Well, that was a whole lot of exposition for a chapter! My thoughts, in no particular order:

-So the DL-6 incident raises it's head again, and Edgeworth is involved... enough to establish a motive, I wonder? From my understanding, the victim of this case was the lawyer who got the killer of Papa Edgeworth off, and, yeah, that would be a personal reason to do it, but why wait so long? Especially since he's THE Prosecutor in this setting and has the world bending over backwards for him... why throw all of that away for revenge?
-That's also a bit of character establishment for Edgeworth, and certainly explains why he would be so zealous in prosecuting crimes and so disdainful of the defense, and also adds a bit of melancholy when taken with what Larry was saying about how Edgey wanted to be a defense lawyer and defend the innocent when he was a kid. (And is it me, or was Nick uncharacteristically silent for that bit?)
- Wow, Lotta didn't waste any time exploiting that photo, did she? We have to be declared the defense soon...although it does beggar what is happening there in the beginning cutscene. I mean, Edgeworth obviously didn't shoot Hammond (Edgeworth looks a bit too surprised, and there was the issue of shooting with the left hand that's already been brought up), but what did they come out there to do?
-The heck? You show Grossberg the attorney's badge... and he compliments Maya? All right then.

e: drat similar names...

resurgam40 fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jul 13, 2016

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

resurgam40 posted:

-The heck? You show Grossberg the attorney's badge... and he compliments Mia? All right then.

I think he's complementing Maya there.

LifeofaGuardian
Oct 26, 2013

Every part of every human being-even their ugly sides-is beautiful. There is no limit to beauty.

Air is lava! posted:

I don't know if that is an actual thing, but why did the camera only take one picture of the murder? It shot of the whole film when it heard that bang from the cracker.

This will be answered later.

Zerbin7
Oct 15, 2014

It's a living.

resurgam40 posted:

(And is it me, or was Nick uncharacteristically silent for that bit?)

As will this.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Y'all stop that now, let 'em see what's coming on their own.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Well, you know what they say. It's all justice and righteousness until someone murders your father.

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




Don't forget: Lotta herself said that her camera took two photos.

MegaZeroX
Dec 11, 2013

"I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"



By the way, this thread is officially further than the previous thread.

Classy Hydra
Oct 30, 2011

You did wrong, Jack,
rest your soul.
I can only assume the difference between the popper and the gun was a proximity thing; maybe it fires off more shots the closer (or louder, whatever) the noise is?

Didn't realize that Maya chimed in on the descriptions of Grossberg's office in this case. I swear I find more text in this game every time I play it.

Reminiscence ~ Case DL-6 is still one of the series' best reminiscence themes, and really sets the tone for the case.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I can't believe this game had Day 1 DL-6.

cokerpilot
Apr 23, 2010

Battle Brothers! Stop coming to meetings drunk and trying to adopt Tevery Best!

Lord General! Stop standing on the table and making up stupid operation names!

Emperor, why do I put up with these people?

Waffleman_ posted:

I can't believe this game had Day 1 DL-6.

Boo this man

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!
While cameras these days can be found on every cell phone basically, back when this game was originally made, camera phones were rare. If anything, they were terrible if they could take pictures. Lotta's camera obviously is a very expensive film camera, and those generally take a whole bunch of pictures at once so the photographer can choose the best photo when they are developing the film. Not a cheap buy a roll of film and throw it in a Kodak and hope the pictures comes out clear.

I will also comment on Lotta's accent in the anime. It sounded... off to me. Wasn't the same as most Japanese. I guess it was a Kansai dialect? I have no idea how to tell the difference.
In the anime, Lotta's camera also took only one picture when Maya set off the Popper.

The only reason why you see Larry and Grossberg at "work" is because in Japan, Christmas day isn't considered a holiday like it is in the western world. I doubt that Grossberg lives in his office.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010

IAmTheRad posted:

I will also comment on Lotta's accent in the anime. It sounded... off to me. Wasn't the same as most Japanese. I guess it was a Kansai dialect?

Generally if you see someone in a translated game or anime talking like a stereotypical Southern USA hick, they originally spoke in the Kansai dialect, yeah. It's pretty much the closest analog to that, from what I remember.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

IAmTheRad posted:

The only reason why you see Larry and Grossberg at "work" is because in Japan, Christmas day isn't considered a holiday like it is in the western world. I doubt that Grossberg lives in his office.
And Christmas Eve sort of is, but it's a romantic holiday. Which is why Larry got poo poo for not spending it with his new GF.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Case 4 - Turnabout Goodbyes
Investigation (Day 1) - Part 4







: I was hoping you'd gotten my message the first time.
: Edgeworth, what about your defense?
: ...! It's no concern of yours.
: (Guess he hasn't found anyone yet.)





: Can I ask you about the murder?
: Wright. I'll ask you again, just leave me alone.
: ...
: Please try to understand.
: I'm not doing this to prove I'm tough, or because I look down on you. I just don't want you anywhere near this case. Understand?



: Why did you go to Gourd Lake?
: I have no intention of telling you.
: Nor, apparently, would you tell Detective Gumshoe.
: !
: Detective Gumshoe was really worried about you!
: ...

But hey, what if we present that photo of Misty Fey we got from Grossberg?



: ...
: Edgeworth?
: It's only been a matter of hours since you last visited. Yet you've made incredible progress in your investigation.
: I'll admit it, I'm impressed, Wright. You were always singleminded in your work, though. Once you start on something, you always see it through, don't you?
: About the "DL-6 Incident"...
: Right... DL-6.
: I didn't want you to find out about it. That is why I refused your offer to defend me.



: I just wanted to keep you away from DL-6.
: So... do you still think it would have been better for me to stay away?
: I don't know. But... I see no point in hiding anything from you now.
: Very well. Ask whatever you like, and I will answer to the best of my abilities.



: The "DL-6 Incident"... was when my father died.







: He was shot and killed, and I saw it all.
: ...!
: My memories from that time are... foggy. I suppose it's a self-defense mechanism.
: In any case, a suspect was arrested... a man. It's pretty clear he was the only one who could have killed my father. The spirit medium they used to talk to my late father said the same thing.



: And Hammond... is the victim in the Gourd Lake murder?
: Correct.
: Umm...
: That spirit medium... that was my mom.
: What? You mean you're...?
: ...
: It's strange. I thought that terrible incident was about to end, and now... this.
: "About to end"?
: The DL-6 Incident happened 15 years ago. 15 years ago... on December 28.
: December 28?
: The statute of limitations on the case runs out in three days.
: What!?
: Um, Nick? What does that mean?
: When a case's statute of limitations runs out, legally, the case never happened.
: Three days from now, DL-6 will be closed... forever.



: What happened to the suspect? The one who got off innocent?
: I don't know... He disappeared from public view. Nobody knows where to. If he's still alive, he'd be about 50 years old now.
: (I guess I can understand why he'd go into hiding... It'd be hard to live a normal life after being a murder suspect in such a big case.)



: Umm... so, was your father a lawyer?
: He was... Gregory Edgeworth. He was quite famous at the time, apparently.
: So, you were sort of trying to follow in his footsteps.
: ... I'd rather not talk about it.

We present the badge again.



: I can't say I really want to see one of those right now.

No dice. Maybe the photo of the shot?



: Who would have thought there'd be a photo...?
: Edgeworth... Did you shoot him?
: ... What do you think, Wright?
: I don't think you're the kind to point a gun at anyone, no.
: So you didn't shoot him?
: No, I didn't. It wasn't me.
: ... Wright.
: ?
: It pains me to ask you this now...
: I know! You want us to defend you!





: Sorry, charley! No way!
: Wright...
: Nick...!? ...
: H-hey, don't look so serious, guys! I was kidding! Just a little joke!
: There was nothing little...
: ...or joke-like about it!
: (I thought it was funny...)
: Nick! Do it over!
: Yes, Your Honor. How could I refuse you, Edgeworth?
: Thank you, Wright.

And this leaves us where the correct path would.



: Ah, who could have guessed this day would come?
: Not me.

Convergence.



: This is my chance to finally pay you back.
: Pay him back...?



: For what? I don't remember ever doing anything for you.
: Never mind... I guess you don't really need to know.
: Huh... My letter of request. Please give it to Detective Gumshoe.



: Well, I guess we should...



The scren keeps rumbling and shaking for the next bit.

: It's a big one! Whaaaaa!

It slows, though.

: I-it's calming down... ... Whew... that was scary!

And it stops.

: ...? Huh? Where's Edgeworth?
: ...
: There. He's on the floor in a ball, shivering.
: I guess he doesn't do so well with earthquakes.
: (I've heard of running, but curling up in a ball?)
: Well, I guess we're done. Mr. Edgeworth doesn't seem like he's going to stand up any time soon.
: Let's go, Nick!
: Uh... right. We have to give Edgeworth's letter of request to Detective Gumshoe.







: Eek!
: W-what's wrong, Detective?
: This wild lady comes in here just a while ago... Says she came "to talk to y'all after hearing what Mr. Wright had to say"! What's this all about, pal!?
: (Lotta Hart...)
: Why are you going around finding more witnesses!? You want to give Mr. Edgeworth the death sentence, pal!?
: N-no, not at all... Just... I mean, she did see something. There's nothing I can do about that. I can't go around covering up evidence!
: Er...
: You trying to say something about the way I do my job?
: No sir!





: So... what did Ms. Hart say?
: She says she saw Mr. Edgeworth fire the pistol.



: She even had a photograph to prove it.
: Right. I saw it too...



: That's why she said she's going to enlarge the photo. She said "it'll drop the quality a mite, but should let us see who's who!"
: She can do that!?
: (Okay, so there's going to be an enlarged photograph that shows Edgeworth in the act. Great. Just great.)
: In any case, she's going to be the one testifying tomorrow.
: Huh? What happened to the other witness?
: Well... Apparently, there was a cancellation.
: (A "cancellation"...!?)



: I'm afraid tomorrow is going to be life or death for poor Mr. Edgeworth. We got a witness who says she saw the very moment of the murder. And we got a photo taken when the shot rang out.
: (I'd say that sounds like a pretty unwinnable case... But wait... What did Mia used to say? If he's innocent, there's got to be something I've overlooked...)



: It sounds like Mr. Edgeworth is going to ask the state to assign a public defender. I was just asked to file the paperwork.
: But you still got time, pal!
: Go talk to him again, for me, please! You have to convince him!
: You have to make him let you defend him! Please! I know you're the only one who can do it, pal. You're the only one who can save Mr. Edgeworth!

We present the Request, to let him know we have him covered.



: ... Hey, you did it, pal! Glad I waited till the last minute to file those papers! I'll rip 'em up and start new ones for you!
: Thanks, Detective. Well, see you in court tomorrow, then.
: Good luck, pal.



: Hey!
: You guys feel that earthquake a little while back?
: I was worried!
: Worried?
: We're fine! I've lived out here my whole life. I'm pretty used to them by now.



: Oh, I wasn't worried about you two.
: I was worried about Mr. Edgeworth!
: (Oh, right...) He did seem to over-react a little, now that you mention it.
: Yeah, well, I'm not surprised. It was a pretty big quake.
: I'm going to go check on him. You two go eat and get your rest for tomorrow's trial.
: Later!

He leaves.



: ... I wonder what it is with Mr. Edgeworth and earthquakes?
: I wonder... He was never that scared of them when he was in school.



: (He transferred to another school after that. I wonder what happened to Edgeworth...)



Next time: Trial.

Skamania County, Washington, Ordinance 69-01 posted:

WHEREAS, there is evidence to indicate the possible existence in Skamania County of a nocturnal primate mammal variously described as an ape-like creature or a sub-species of Homo Sapian [sic], and
WHEREAS, this creature is generally and commonly known as a "Sasquatch," "Yeti," "Bigfoot," or "Giant Hairy Ape," and
WHEREAS, publicity attendant upon such real or imagined sightings has resulted in an influx or scientific investigators as well as casual hunters, many armed with lethal weapons, and
WHEREAS, the absence of specific laws covering the taking of specimens encourages laxity in the use of firearms ... and poses a clear and present threat to [citizens] as well as to the creatures themselves,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that any premeditated, wilful and wanton slaying of any such creature shall be deemed a felony punishable by a fine not to exceed Ten Thousand Dollars ($10,000.00) and/or imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed Five (5) years.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the situation existing constitutes an emergency and as such this ordinance is effective immediately.

Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Jul 16, 2016

Polyseme
Sep 6, 2009

GROUCH DIVISION

Broken tag [img]http://lpix.org/2508885/PWimage15.png[/mg]. Neat law.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
"Your honor, you see my client is absolutely terrified of standing on moving ground. Therefore he wasn't on a boat, and is innocent. Case closed."

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Sorry to make my first post having caught up a typo-find, but you have a [/mg] tag in there.

E: fb

You know you have some classy-rear end lawmakers when citing a law requires a [sic].

AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Jul 16, 2016

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Shady Amish Terror
Oct 11, 2007
I'm not Amish by choice. 8(
With regards to the law,

https://www.amazon.com/Emergency-Sasquatch-Ordinance-Actually-Dreamed/dp/1627222693?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_ybh_1

Similarly, lots of fun to be had at the source as far as 'weird legal poo poo' goes. http://loweringthebar.net/

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