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yeah but they could have at least fixed obvious outlying bugs/issues
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Libertine posted:There's 131 characters right now (jesus) so there's no reason to get attached to any of them. I actually asked the Riot champion design lead about this during an official QA, whether there was a point where there were diminishing returns for releasing new champions, and if reworks were going to become more common. His answer: $$$$$$ (actually he didn't answer, but I imagine that's what he was thinking)
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Jul 13, 2016 14:53
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honestly if you look at the past year that's kind of already happened. in the past year there's only been 5 champions released, but the champion class updates are a big bundle of reworks.
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Jul 13, 2016 14:55
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Which is good, since their reworks have been far better than their releases (besides visually).
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Jul 13, 2016 15:01
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Neurolimal posted:Which is good, since their reworks have been far better than their releases (besides visually). Including visually
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Jul 13, 2016 15:06
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the new champ is a young girl who has struggled to come to terms with the fact that she has a bigass head. though she may seem shy and introverted to others, it's simply because her teeth are crooked as well. her aoe kayle ult teleports you to the baron pit
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Jul 13, 2016 15:16
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Lovechop posted:the new champ is a young girl who has struggled to come to terms with the fact that she has a bigass head. though she may seem shy and introverted to others, it's simply because her teeth are crooked as well. her aoe kayle ult teleports you to the baron pit Poppy was a remake not a new champ
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Jul 13, 2016 15:20
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Kashuno posted:Including visually grrr im a swampass pirate look how dang dark and old i am has nothing on crazy chest pube pirate and his YOHO-ing
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Jul 13, 2016 15:30
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ok well if you didn't like that idea how about this one: a wu tang
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Lovechop posted:ok well if you didn't like that idea how about this one: a wu tang only if his other skin makes him white
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Jul 13, 2016 15:34
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my fav. new champ design fact is that they were people at riot who hated tahm's hat. just imagine that. people who take their fake-anime moba where a big-rear end dog boy fights vivi from ff9 but evil so seriously that they get mad about a fish dude having a doofy hat.
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Jul 13, 2016 15:34
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Sexpansion posted:Hearthstone is pretty early in its life, but the competitive balance has been pretty bad. However, it's actually much, much better than Starcraft. If you want to see a game developer completely fail at balancing a competitive game, just read about 10 minutes about the Starcraft meta. I'm also curious about what caused starcraft to fall off as a big esport, I stopped playing shortly into the first expansion and got tired of the early game just being build orders and the fights just being deathballs that are over in 2 seconds, but I think it was still popular back then and they had another expansion.
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Jul 13, 2016 15:40
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Coca Koala posted:yes? You can't activate Q until you have full stacks. What are you suggesting the alternative is? Don't activate abilities just because you can and think about pros and cons of using them.
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Jul 13, 2016 15:42
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Endorph posted:my fav. new champ design fact is that they were people at riot who hated tahm's hat. just imagine that. people who take their fake-anime moba where a big-rear end dog boy fights vivi from ff9 but evil so seriously that they get mad about a fish dude having a doofy hat. Making a greed demon a wacky cajun fish is fine but dont you loving DARE give him a tiny hat The only retarded hats we allow here are evil pope hats and giant erect tophats covered in cogs
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Jul 13, 2016 15:44
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Safety Scissors posted:Don't activate abilities just because you can and think about pros and cons of using them. Nonsense. If you hit a snowball or lee Q, you are obligated by law to follow through. Don't give people bad advice now, that's how you get arrested.
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Jul 13, 2016 15:45
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Safety Scissors posted:Don't activate abilities just because you can and think about pros and cons of using them. I mean, if your strat involves constantly pushing so that you can keep a mediocre deterrance active you have much bigger play problems than which ability you skilled at 1
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Jul 13, 2016 15:46
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I'm also curious about what caused starcraft to fall off as a big esport, I stopped playing shortly into the first expansion and got tired of the early game just being build orders and the fights just being deathballs that are over in 2 seconds, but I think it was still popular back then and they had another expansion. Starcraft 2 is just a bunch of nonsense to watch on screen. It's not a followable spectator sport for anything but top tier players of it. I went to an esports event in Dallas back in 2012 which was very early in the life of competitive League of Legends and Starcraft 2 had 2-3x more stage space and 1/5th as many viewers as League. The League stage was a side stage and it was overflowing with people who were taking chairs away from the SC2 section to fill up the League section. That was essentially when I knew it was over for SC2 as an esport. I brought a couple friends with me who were in it more for the novelty and only vaguely knew the games being played and they said they couldn't even stand watching SC2 because the camera just flies all over the place to poo poo going on and none of it made sense to them. League is like a 5on5 head-to-head thing that comes to a head in big exciting fights, it's vastly superior as a spectator event than pretty much any other video game except directly comparable ones like DOTA 2.
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Neurolimal posted:grrr im a swampass pirate look how dang dark and old i am has nothing on crazy chest pube pirate and his YOHO-ing I see your point but 
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Jul 13, 2016 15:51
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Kashuno posted:I see your point but Even though black taric will always own my heart i will admit that the taric visual (not audio) rework was pretty spot-on.
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Jul 13, 2016 15:53
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why has riot not made a replacement for force of nature yet. at first i thought it was like a big joke that there was no big MR item, but it has been a few years now and i am getting worried
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Jul 13, 2016 16:24
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Plenty of big MR items in banshee/visage/GA/portal/locket for tanks and maw/abyssal for AD/AP. What's really sad is losing the absurd in-combat regeneration and movement that effectively made all but the highest consistent dps mages useless in moving your health bar.
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Jul 13, 2016 16:29
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Plenty of big MR items in banshee/visage/GA/portal/locket for tanks and maw/abyssal for AD/AP. evidently banshees gives more MR than i thought and almost makes up for it but aside from that the other items do not stack up. it is like comparing thornmail to sunfire. both give armour but we know which one is just the "i need loving armour" item, and force of nature was that. but yeah singed will never be the same without force of nature. i miss that item to death, it was too beautiful for league of legends
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Jul 13, 2016 16:36
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Libertine posted:, it's vastly superior as a spectator event than pretty much any other video game except directly comparable ones like DOTA 2. fighting games
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Jul 13, 2016 16:51
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Fighting games are fun to watch but pretty indecipherable if you don't know the game. LoL has the same problem but you can probably guess what happened in a Zed/Leblanc/Shaco clone juke.
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Jul 13, 2016 16:54
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you can probably guess what happened when two dudes are hitting each other too
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Jul 13, 2016 16:56
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Endorph posted:fighting games I agree that fighting games are very easy from a spectator format but for some reason they never attract the same audience as MOBAs do. I don't have a horse in the race, I like watching high level fighting game tournaments sometimes with friends, they just seem way more of a niche interest than MOBAs. I suspect it is something to do with: Neurolimal posted:Fighting games are fun to watch but pretty indecipherable if you don't know the game.
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Jul 13, 2016 16:56
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league of legends and other hon-clones are really great spectator games in general depending on the pacing, because the long periods of relative downtime allow for the commentators to explain what is going on when things are not happening and the huge team fights are great when you have a solid play-by-play because even if you are not sure what is going on seeing flashy abilities decimate the battlefield looks badass no matter how little you understand about their function. also, audiences that are not familiar with the game can easily tell this big tower that was there being destroyed is probably significant, and so is this huge dragon dying that a group of people teamed up to fight, even if they are not aware of what the significance of it is.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:00
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idk how lol is less indecipherable than street fighter or something? there's ten dudes to keep track of in any teamfight and they all have these vague wishywashy abilities that you have no idea what they do. like is anyone watching lol without having played it going to get how illaioi's tentacles work, or what trundle is doing when he q's and ults a guy, or how gp's barrels work? or heck, why laneswaps happen? fighting games have stuff like that too but at least there's only two guys to keep track of and they're just trading hits back and forth for 3 minutes at a time.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:01
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i think with fighting games it depends on the game. like street fighter is basically the most popular fighting game ever right? ive always found it pretty easy to tell whats going on without really playing it but some of the weird anime fighters have really obtuse mechanics that you probably can't explain while commentating a match that lasts 30 seconds.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:05
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tbh under night is probably the best fighting game to watch casually because there's literally a gauge at the bottom of the screen that tells you who has the momentum in the match it's a shame nobody plays that
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Safety Scissors posted:Don't activate abilities just because you can and think about pros and cons of using them. Is this a markov chain or something? You're just saying words that visually look like they're a response to me, but contextually they make absolutely no sense. It's been a few pages since this conversation started, did you forget what we're actually talking about? am... am i being trolled in the league of legends thread, and you're just acting like a moron to try and get me to respond? somebody pm me if they're afraid to ruin the joke in public please tia.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:15
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Yeah I think round length works against Fighting Games as a spectator sport.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:17
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30 second 1v1s are nonsense for a spectator sport.
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Neurolimal posted:Fighting games are fun to watch but pretty indecipherable if you don't know the game. LoL has the same problem but you can probably guess what happened in a Zed/Leblanc/Shaco clone juke. My wife watches fighting games with me and additionally has recently started watching LCS streams with me. Explaining fighting games to her is WAY easier than explaining league to her because Endorph posted:idk how lol is less indecipherable than street fighter or something? there's ten dudes to keep track of in any teamfight and they all have these vague wishywashy abilities that you have no idea what they do. like is anyone watching lol without having played it going to get how illaioi's tentacles work, or what trundle is doing when he q's and ults a guy, or how gp's barrels work? or heck, why laneswaps happen? fighting games have stuff like that too but at least there's only two guys to keep track of and they're just trading hits back and forth for 3 minutes at a time.
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I get what you're saying but I think Ill and GP are bad examples; Ill is just straight up damage, and its easy to realize that the tentacles randomly spawn and the tentacles slam down in a rectangle when Ill does a big attack. Gangplanks' barrels have a ton of visual indicators in that attacking a barrel makes the counter go down, theres a circular timer on them, and when one explodes a barrel in the explosion circle also explodes. Trundle, Azir, and Taric ult are better examples.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:38
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Haven't played the new patch yet, but someone please tell me that tank Sona is good now. Please.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:42
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To me the real example of that sort of thing is Ekko--the ult is pretty easy to grasp, but he has so many little things going on with his kit that you have no hope of understanding unless you've played him for a while yourself.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:44
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Work Friend Keven posted:30 second 1v1s are nonsense for a spectator sport.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:46
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Work Friend Keven posted:30 second 1v1s are nonsense for a spectator sport. That's why they play them in a Best of 3, Best of 3/5 format? Unless you're doing something like MvC3, you play a set of games (best of 3 or best of 5 depending on how the bracket is set up), and each game consists of multiple rounds (almost always best of three). So at a minimum, you need to win four consecutive 30-second 1v1s to progress, and at a maximum you'll be playing nine or fifteen rounds. On top of that, fighting game tournaments are pretty much universally run as double elimination, so if the person you're following loses a set against somebody, they can run it back in the loser's bracket and it's not at all uncommon for somebody to come from the loser's side and take grand finals after resetting the bracket.
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new sona feels bad
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