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Mr. Fowl posted:This is actually my dream scenario now. Ryan:  Oh god, it's happening again!
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Gorelab posted:+7 is close now? 
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Polling RV slants D, right? So that means it's even closer than Russ+7? Not gonna arzy yet, but boo. Don't chase no arzyfalls This is good, especially now that we're in the summer months. Interested to see what the LVs are like.
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sean10mm posted:It's a TED talk so it's buzzword-y and poo poo, but this guy is basically the anti-Trump on security policy too.  But it works for Israel
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Mr Hootington posted:Yes it was dude. No, it was because his plans, as stated, would have constituted massive increases in spending for either poorly defined, bad or ill-conceived ways and on top of that, he basically wouldn't admit to the cost of his proposals. There's a difference. Like it wasn't: Bernie: FREE COLLEGE Hillary Supports: EWWWW TAXES It was: B: FREE COLLEGE HS: Okay, how are you paying for that? B: Well Um... We're going to raise taxes! HS: Okay, but by how much and by who? Your plan as stated would require states to go in 30% of the cost, and also accept a bunch of federal restrictions that aren't likely to pass SCOTUS muster. I mean, ACA Medicare Expansion only requires 10% from the states and half the states won't even do that for old people. B: *keeps talking about the wealthiest 1%* Bernie Supporters: OMG YOU NEOLIBERAL SELLOUTS BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Jul 13, 2016 19:32
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so uh trump doesn't realize viciously attacking a older woman is a bad idea, huh
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Jul 13, 2016 19:34
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so uh trump doesn't realize viciously attacking a older woman is a bad idea, huh A hugely respected, older, much smarter and more accomplished woman
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If Trump had responded by saying "Ginsberg is showing a bias that I don't think is respectful of her incredibly important position" maybe there would be something to debate here. However he's Trump so of course he can't do that and went in on a personal and professional insult making her point 100% spot on. There's nothing wrong with her statement and hang wringing about if it shows bias is ridiculous amounts of legal fantasy land.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so uh trump doesn't realize viciously attacking a older woman is a bad idea, huh https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/753296060504760325
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Jul 13, 2016 19:36
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Trump can't help but attack people personally whenever he gets challenged. He is so goddamn easy to manipulate and predict.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:38
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Jul 13, 2016 19:44
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Dexo posted:Trump can't help but attack people personally whenever he gets challenged. It doesn't seem impossible that RGB did it on purpose.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:45
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Hey now, margin of error. He could have as much as three percent of the black vote 
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Jul 13, 2016 19:47
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:No, it was because his plans, as stated, would have constituted massive increases in spending for either poorly defined, bad or ill-conceived ways and on top of that, he basically wouldn't admit to the cost of his proposals. There's a difference. I think it says something that you immediately jump to the defense of Hillary primary supporters when I said "business wing democrats". They are a general hinderance to any sort of real progress.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:48
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No Butt Stuff posted:Man, you guys really do just jump to the worst possible conclusion about anything, don't you? To be fair, it does make life a lot more predictable
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Jul 13, 2016 19:50
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Like I tacitly know they exist but I have a hard time imagining rank and file business Democrats, all I can imagine is Bloomberg types that have way more influence than any participant in democracy should reasonably have because of their wealth.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:51
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RuanGacho posted:Like I tacitly know they exist but I have a hard time imagining rank and file business Democrats, all I an imagine is Bloomberg types that have way more influence than any participant in democracy should reasonably have because of their wealth. Think like, millennial marketing execs, socially liberal financiers, and women in all corporate settings. None of its universal obviously but there's plenty.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:53
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What Brietbart of all places is telling me that Obama in 2012 got 96% of the black vote in OH, which makes up 15% of the entire vote in OH. Also apparently in the last three general elections the black vote grew (percentage of the overall vote) grew by 3-4% every election.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:54
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The senate just confirmed Carla Hayden as the Librarian of Congress after some Republican blocking on a vote. Chuck Grassley of all people was the 51st "aye" vote.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:55
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Sulphuric Sundae posted:The senate just confirmed Carla Hayden as the Librarian of Congress after some Republican blocking on a vote. Chuck Grassley of all people was the 51st "aye" vote. Nominated by Obama. Confirmed by the same Senate that says he shouldn't have the power to nominate.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:57
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RuanGacho posted:Like I tacitly know they exist but I have a hard time imagining rank and file business Democrats, all I can imagine is Bloomberg types that have way more influence than any participant in democracy should reasonably have because of their wealth. Due to how hosed up the right has been on social issues Business Democrats at this point are pretty much anyone who considers themselves socially liberal and fiscally conservative.. But like can't in good conscious ignore the racists poo poo going on by the right. Like they want their money, low taxes and business perks. But can't vote for the Dog whistle and outright Race/Sexism and homophobia the right has. And they(probably correctly) assume that it'd be easier to get Democrats to go more right on fiscal issues, than it would be to get the hardliners and Tea Party on the right to go left on their stances.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:59
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jesus, I bet even George Zimmerman isn't that unpopular among black people
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Jul 13, 2016 20:01
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You guys are going to love the sequel. https://twitter.com/NKingofDC/status/753300478402801664
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Jul 13, 2016 20:02
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Hot police take, best practices forced in 3 easy(ish) steps. 1: Federal Government requires any police force receiving milsurplus to be covered by a approved insurance policy. The UChicago crowd has already put out some work detailing the more stringent guidelines, policies, and consequences required by the insurers currently in the market (contain your shock that UChicago is advocating for a privatized solution to state abuses). 2: The moment Democrats have control over both houses, create a federal insurance program for these police forces - at well below market premiums (that diminish with each settlement/judgment free year)... that require departments to adhere to a strict set of guidelines for use of force, training, investigation & accountability and civil rights protection. 3: Failure to comply results in loss of coverage, including revocation of fun tacticlol toys Settlements, judgments, consent decrees, and civil rights investigations have had minimal impact on curbing the unacceptable behaviors. Time for a new approach. That it has the potential to drive a wedge between Law and Order conservatives and fiscal conservatives is merely a bonus.
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Dexo posted:Due to how hosed up the right has been on social issues Business Democrats at this point are pretty much anyone who considers themselves socially liberal and fiscally conservative.. But like can't in good conscious ignore the racists poo poo going on by the right. This is exactly it. They want those trans teens to be able to use the bathroom of their gender, but a 2% increase in their taxes to makes sure a school lunch isn't the only meal that teen eats all day? They meltdown.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Ryan: Even better, trump picks palin, and the convention rebels against him, and paul ryan looks on in horror as he hears someone shout his name, and then watches in dread anticipation as each round of brokered voting sees his vote totals go higher and higher, before throwing himself out of a window on the quicken center. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:No, it was because his plans, as stated, would have constituted massive increases in spending for either poorly defined, bad or ill-conceived ways and on top of that, he basically wouldn't admit to the cost of his proposals. There's a difference. 
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Sulphuric Sundae posted:The senate just confirmed Carla Hayden as the Librarian of Congress after some Republican blocking on a vote. Chuck Grassley of all people was the 51st "aye" vote. Black Librarians Matter
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Bushiz posted:Even better, trump picks palin, and the convention rebels against him, and paul ryan looks on in horror as he hears someone shout his name, and then watches in dread anticipation as each round of brokered voting sees his vote totals go higher and higher, before throwing himself out of a window on the quicken center. Bernie had a lot of pipe dreams that he wasn't really demonstrating how to make them actually happen, you can pretend otherwise all you want
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Tatum Girlparts posted:that's where the big one comes but pretty much from getting the nomination locked to the convention a candidate SHOULD be riding a wave of goodwill from their side. I don't think we're that far apart. Mostly I'm seeing a lot of rationalizing of polls in my twitter feed (and to a lesser extent, in here, though I'm kinda impressed at how little ing there is nowadays). Stuff like "bbbbut Trump is currently getting a bump so his numbers are artificially high!" is really irritating.Clinton might get a larger bump than Trump out of the convention. That is also irrelevant because the thing about a bump is that they subside. If it didn't subside, it wouldn't be a bump, it'd be a...I dunno, ski jump or something. So long as you're not trying to *UNSKEW* the Trump numbers out of whatever the latest poll is that has Trump ahead of, or intolerably close to, Hillary Clinton, we're cool 
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Mr Hootington posted:I think it says something that you immediately jump to the defense of Hillary primary supporters when I said "business wing democrats". They are a general hinderance to any sort of real progress. Well, since you said in this thread
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Seriously. Most Bernie fans and supporters are real loving cool and sensible people. There are some who are crazy and fanatical and deserve ridicule(shouts to HA Goodman), but like most polling said like 75-80% of his supporters support Hillary too. Generalizing attacks on his supporters do no good, as then that just gets those who liked Bernie more or raise legitimate concerns and problems about Hillary on the defensive and sours them even more. People really really need to stop treating loud assholes on the internet, with minimal power, as though they are representative of an entire base of people.
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zoux posted:Whoa an unironic GWB supporter. Fluffdaddy posted:No you are assigning an ideal to the court that has never existed. The court has never been asked to be apolitical, only impartial in their jurisprudence. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Or is this one of those "it's OK when my side does it" things? SedanChair posted:This is an excellent distraction from the fact that you think there are people who shouldn't challenge fascism.
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Dexo posted:Seriously. Most Bernie fans and supporters are real loving cool and sensible people. There are some who are crazy and fanatical and deserve ridicule(shouts to HA Goodman), but like most polling said like 75-80% of his supporters support Hillary too. Since we were talking about people on the internet on an internet forum, i think it was pretty implicit
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Dexo posted:Seriously. Most Bernie fans and supporters are real loving cool and sensible people. There are some who are crazy and fanatical and deserve ridicule(shouts to HA Goodman), but like most polling said like 75-80% of his supporters support Hillary too. HA Goodman owns my friend.
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Dexo posted:People really really need to stop treating loud assholes on the internet, with minimal power, as though they are representative of an entire base of people. This has probably been the single most obnoxious aspect of the Democratic race. So tired of reading think pieces on Salon/Vox/Medium based on one tweet from some rear end in a top hat with 300 followers.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Black Librarians Matter One of the objections to appointing her was that the Library of Congress already has a lot of librarians, so why should we bother replacing their head.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Since we were talking about people on the internet on an internet forum, i think it was pretty implicit We aren't really that loud though. We just reply to each other, we aren't the crazy assholes who are out there replying to any tweet that says something positive about Hillary with vitriol and anger. zoux posted:HA Goodman owns my friend. Touchè 
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