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Verranicus posted:Can you be reported for being bad in comp? Legit curious. I think the goal is to drastically update a few heroes (mccree and zenyatta) so that ana isn't the only 'new' feeling hero but like, it's not like mccree and zenyatta are going to feel drastically different.
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Ravenfood posted:If you need to buff Hanzo to change for the hitbox changes, maybe up his movement speed while charging so he can be closer to the action more safely? Give him a movement buff after a kill? Though really, I don't see what his role is supposed to be: Widow has long-range sniper down and McCree has the short-range headshot thing. Change scatter so it can't be used to insta-gib people but tracks really well around corners? Give him a wall-piercing arrow ability instead of scatter? The issue with Hanzo is that he's made redundant by, like, four other characters. The only thing that kept him afloat were the massive hitboxes on his projectiles, but it's one of those "good" aspects that just feels lovely all around and incentivizes bad play. I'm not super sure how I'd "fix" him tho. Also while we're nerfing Hanzo can we please fix the Okami call
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Jul 14, 2016 16:49
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hanzos role is to help the opposing reaper charge his ult and give him 50 health
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Zoness posted:hanzos role is to help the opposing reaper charge his ult and give him 50 health And make a nice, easy target for a hook via a flanking Roadhog. Thanks buddy!
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"Even before I make all the silvers mad, there is very good reason and basis for it. People at that level of play are simply the most competent on balancing issues. They know all ins and outs of the game, are aware of all the capabilities of the heroes, are experts at game mechanics and so on. They can see every day what a certain hero can or cannot do compared to other and how certain mechanics can be used or abused, to what degree and its effect on gameplay, whether its good, bad fun or not and so on. I'm going to try to not to offend low rank players too much, but if you are one of those players and have a shred of rational sense, I'm sure you'd understand why that would be a good thing compared to people who are not good enough at the game to know how things work and how they really perform at their maximum. The mercy damage boost increase to 50% on the PTR highlights very well why some sort of top 500 player council needs to be introduced instead of some rank 30 silver doing the balancing at Blizzard right now. " In addition, we always intended Mercy’s Damage Boost beam to be her primary method for dealing damage, but it often felt so weak that you were better off pulling out your blaster. To help address this, we've slightly increased its potency." Only a low rank silver could have ever said something like this (confirmed with hundreds of forum posts on the issue) As a result, the game is broken on PTR. Its a game of which damage boosted Mcree 1-2 shots the other damaged boosted Mcree putting the game to where it was before the widowmaker was murdered, raped, and dumped into a well (balanced by silvers, along with Mcree). This is not to mention the endless supply of wrong and ignorant threads and comments on the forum regarding balance - a highlight of that is "nerf bastion" threads that will never stop coming unless this is done. This will resolve all the issues the game has and ever had and would have. The 20 tick, the overnerf of Widow, the broken Mcree, 50% damage boost, roadhog hitscan hook, sudden death, 0 point game for leaver games, infinite overtime and so on and so forth. People in top 500 would have never let these things happen and would have done it right the first time (can be confirmed by any of those players). Instead, the silvers at Blizzard break everything and put in things that any top 500 player would instantly know will not work, then blizzard goes on and reverts those changes weeks later or fixes them in a way that those players were telling them to do in the first place anyway. ***UPDATE*** What the low rank people in this thread don't understand is that it will not impact them or the game in any negative way. In fact if the masses decided on balance we would have had bastion nerfed because silvers don't know how to deal with him and get shrekt, wdowmaker buffed instead of nerfed because 90% of the playerbase can't aim and so on. If instead top 500 players were doing the balancing, mcree would have gotten a change in his abilities, not a plain reduction to fan that made it useless in practice and broke his kit. Widow wouldn't have gotten as much of a nerf because whoever did it at blizzard didn't understand that 3 issues that she had were only overpowered all at once, not each one of them making her broken. Oh hey, lets look at Dota 2, the most competitive game in the world which millions of people play - the balancing is done entirely based on tournaments and pro player feedback, even if statistically some heroes have 60% win rate in random games. And what do we have? The #1 esport in the world that great to play for everyone, not just the pros. It kinda eludes me where silvers get this idea that somehow if top 500 did the balancing it will somehow "cater" the game for them. This makes no sense, it sounds smart, but in reality its nonsense that has no rational sense behind it. There is no way anyone can make the game be better for top players and worse for everyone else. How would a bastion nerf that the clueless majority would want be good? How is sudden death good? How was no hero limit in competitive good? No, those thing are or would be bad for the game, the difference is - only top players can recognize the issues and actually be able to tell for sure if something is op or not and by how much. Low skill players will just play as they always have with other low skilled players and have as much fun as everybody else. Discuss." http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20747074598
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Verranicus posted:"Even before I make all the silvers mad, there is very good reason and basis for it. People at that level of play are simply the most competent on balancing issues. They know all ins and outs of the game, are aware of all the capabilities of the heroes, are experts at game mechanics and so on. They can see every day what a certain hero can or cannot do compared to other and how certain mechanics can be used or abused, to what degree and its effect on gameplay, whether its good, bad fun or not and so on. I mean, that guy himself shouldn't be talking about balancing then...
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Jul 14, 2016 16:56
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But what about us lowly bronze? 😞
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Verranicus posted:"Even before I make all the silvers mad, ..." He's mostly right but that proposed "council of top 500 players" should be strictly a feedback group and not actually deciding on the changes. Also being very good at a game has a high likelihood of your opinion being more worthwhile but even top players have blind spots. They're players, not designers.
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Jul 14, 2016 17:16
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This is so great "I GOT LAWYERS. CALL MY BLUFF DO IT I GOT 100 LAWYERS" "If you're lawyers would like to contact our legal team go for it lol"
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Macaluso posted:This is so great "I GOT LAWYERS. CALL MY BLUFF DO IT I GOT 100 LAWYERS" "If you're lawyers would like to contact our legal team go for it lol" Do you fuckers know who my father is!?!
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Jul 14, 2016 17:20
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"I'm vindictive! That totally means I'll win in a court case! I've got, like, 10000 lawyers and a huge dick! " "Okay."
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trumpplaysoverwatch.txt
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Brannock posted:He's mostly right but that proposed "council of top 500 players" should be strictly a feedback group and not actually deciding on the changes. I've always found the better feedback doesn't come from the BEST players, but the ones a tier below - usually people that are really good are really good because they're mechanical gods, not necessarily the best at figuring out poo poo with their characters. Also, top players (like everyone else, tbf) have a tendency to either downplay or overstate their characters' weaknesses and strengths. Guy's not wrong about those voices having more weight, but he's also a proper oval office that placed 70 on comp and looks down on people so
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Yeah, the OP is a piece of poo poo but I really do believe in balancing for the top end. Also, that thread got locked!
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Ranked is so loving broken, actually gently caress this game man. Having no come back mechanism if any of your team leave is bullshit. I'm currently in a 4v6 game with no chance of winning
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Looke posted:Ranked is so loving broken, actually gently caress this game man. Having no come back mechanism if any of your team leave is bullshit. If I'm understand what you mean by comeback mechanic properly, you want to incentivize teams to pressure their worst player to leave?
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They just need much harsher leaver penalties. There should be maybe 1 grace per week or something for a legit disconnect or RL emergency, and after that pretty harsh penalties to queuing competitive. What they have now is poo poo
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In Dota if you are a man down, you get increased gold and xp, obviously you can't do that in Overwatch but some kind of shorter c/d on abilites/death time, or even increased damage would make it better. If you are a person down, you are basically hosed, the least they could do is introduce a lovely AI bot to take over the role of the leaver I've had a leaver in pretty much every other game, and it seems like nobody really cares about leaving a ranked match
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Looke posted:In Dota if you are a man down, you get increased gold and xp, obviously you can't do that in Overwatch but some kind of shorter c/d on abilites/death time, or even increased damage would make it better. I would rather increased damage than the worst person on my team
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If you lose people on your team the enemy heads get larger so it gets easier to get headshots. With each man you lose from your team the enemy heads grow in size 
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I must be a megasilver because I'm not even sure what a silver is
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Ban all  golds, imo.
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If you leave in competitive, but try to queue up into something else within 30 minutes, the game should lock you out of any and all game modes for 24 hours
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Dias posted:I've always found the better feedback doesn't come from the BEST players, but the ones a tier below - usually people that are really good are really good because they're mechanical gods, not necessarily the best at figuring out poo poo with their characters. Also, top players (like everyone else, tbf) have a tendency to either downplay or overstate their characters' weaknesses and strengths. Guy's not wrong about those voices having more weight, but he's also a proper oval office that placed 70 on comp and looks down on people so In terms of determining who needs balance, literally no human being provides good feedback. That's what statistics are for. Going to the 500 best players in the game for ideas of what to change once you establish who needs changes isn't a bad place to start, though.
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if you abandon a ranked game you should have the game licence removed from your account and be forced to buy the game again
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if you leave ranked you should be forced to play as rank 10 for 10 games
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"Every red team is a balanced mix and every blue team is five Anas and me" is the new "every red team is a premade and every blue team is me and five randos."
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:if you leave ranked you should be forced to play as rank 10 for 10 games this sounds funny but i'm sure there are at least some number of innocent rank 10s and they don't deserve this
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:this sounds funny but i'm sure there are at least some number of innocent rank 10s and they don't deserve this no wait. introduce a leavers league. you stay there until you learn not to leave a ranked match.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:no wait. introduce a leavers league. you stay there until you learn not to leave a ranked match. isn't this what dota does?
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It gets better tho https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4su6hj/its_just_ptr_its_just_quick_play/?sort=confidence&compact=true
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The funny thing about the 'Dota is balances around high level players' is that oftentimes when a patch hits those very players will be the ones saying 'hey this buff to (whoever) is completely ludicrous what the hell are they thinking and this other nerf makes no sense.' Like, it's balanced AROUND high level play but that doesn't mean they know what needs to happen or have pristine balance changes to impart. Then again, Dota takes the shotgun approach to balance. In a lot of cases literally every hero in the game will get some small change or another, and they never ever include explanatory paragraphs about 'hey we thought that this ability was too strong so we  ' in the notes. Like, if you're not familiar here's the most recent major patch. There are like 10 different groups that make up to three hour long patch analysis videos where they just read through the thing and try to figure out what the new meta is going to be, and a week after the patch hits they're almost always universally wrong.
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Efexeye posted:isn't this what dota does? Yes and its really funny how people constantly complain about their self-inflicted hell. Bolow posted:It gets better tho Amazing
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Y'all must be stuck in leaver queue yourselves because I almost never get my games ruined by people quitting.
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Bolow posted:It gets better tho oh boyyyyy
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Lovechop posted:tracer's accent isn't even english it's just that weird voice americans make when they try to do impressions of us Her voice actor is British so blame yourselves.
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Irradiation posted:Her voice actor is British so blame yourselves. Presented without comment, here's what she sounds like in real life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-h3J0cFxMU
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