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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Love this guy. If that's just a set photo from Prometheus, then that's Ian Whyte and he's a cool dude. He also played the Predators in both AvP movies (any time there was only one Predator on screen, that is), and I got him to record an intro for one of my AvP Let's Play videos several years ago. He sent me like 11 different "takes", of varying degrees of intensity or lightheartedness, it was pretty funny. I solicited a ton of cast/crew people from the Alien/Predator/AvP movies and other media to do intros for my videos, some of the interactions I had were pretty great. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 16:34
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Xenomrph posted:you're astonishingly bad at actually letting people talk about what they want to talk about without meaningless "criticism". Again: you are not being prevented from talking. You are simply asking for a world without aversive experience, and you will not find one. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. I am designed to write truthfully and accurately. The truth is that Aliens is not about the Vietnam War; it is a film about 're-fighting the Vietnam War', as in Cameron's The Terminator (where Reese coded as a traumatized Vietnam vet) and his script for Rambo 2 (where Rambo is literally a traumatized Vietnam vet). Ripley is likewise characterized as a veteran of a past conflict. "One of the things that interested me is that there are a lot of soldiers from Vietnam, who have been in intense combat situations, who re-enlisted to go back again. Because they had these psychological problems that they had to work out. It's like an inner demon to be exorcised. That was a good metaphor for her character. I did a bit of that in Rambo as well, but it didn't get used." -James Cameron In very basic literal terms, the Aliens movie takes place hundreds of years after the Vietnam War - but events keep repeating. 'It keeps happening.' The film warns of future conflicts. So Cameron's goal is to 'exorcise the trauma of Vietnam', so America and the world can 'find closure'. That is the meaning of the film. Truth is distinct from meaning, however, and the truth is that the form of Cameron's 'exorcism' is liberal. As in the alternate ending of T2, the point is that the storm - the totalitarian nightmare - is over now, and so: "on the battlefield of the Senate, [Ripley's] weapons are common sense and hope." This is not enough. But that is why Ripley refuses to go all the way and execute Burke. She believes in reform through regulation: if we do away with 'greedy people', W-Y's colonies will function smoothly and create happy worlds. James Cameron refers to the nightmarish qualities of the planet (in Scott's film, it's a moon) as merely "the birth pains of a new ecosystem." Note the word choice - birth pains - in this film about motherhood. Recall Cameron's ideal artificial ecosystem in Avatar, and how that state of utopian perfection is preserved by exiling the 'greedy people'. "They killed their mother." Ripley is explicitly an Earth-mother in the famous dissolve from her face to the planet. But she cannot fully 'become herself', realize her potential as utopian Earth-mother, until she exorcises the inner demon. This is why the moon was retconned to become a planet: Aliens is about the purification and rebirth of the planet Earth. Contrast with Alien3, where the planet Fury - an allegorical Earth - is a terrible shithole. This is the ideological difference between Cameron and Fincher. "Ernest Hemingway once wrote 'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for'. I agree with the second part." -Seven SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 16:51
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Again: you are not being prevented from talking. And people are dogpiling you here not because of your "message", but because you're being an unconstructive, disingenuous rear end in a top hat who talks down to people. Take a look at the recent side topic about Predator as a Vietnam film for a refresher on what interesting, constructive discourse looks like. "Truthfully and accurately"? Holy  , well at least you still recognize this is a comedy forum.Side tangent - you mentioned LV426 as a moon, and it reminded me of how gorgeous the shots in 'Alien' are when we see the gas giant it orbits:  Maybe it's just a byproduct of the era of sci fi it comes from, but I get serious '2001' vibes from it. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 17:14
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3 goons screaming into the abyss does not equate "dog piling"
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Jul 14, 2016 17:29
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Xenomrph posted:Side tangent - you mentioned LV426 as a moon, and it reminded me of how gorgeous the shots in 'Alien' are when we see the gas giant it orbits: Whoa, I'd totally forgotten about that shot. So much of what people (including me) take away from Alien is cramped corridors and the motion tracker, but it really does have some striking, expansive visuals.
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Jul 14, 2016 17:30
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Xenomrph posted:And again, I didn't say I was being prevented from talking, but actually reading and understanding text was never one of your strong suits so I'm not surprised this is going over your head. I have not written anything untrue or inaccurate. If I had, it would be very easy to correct me. Instead you are leveling various curious accusations. There is no evidence that I am lying to you. You are not being 'trolled'. I am simply criticizing what you have written. I am not talking down to you; I am talking up to you, and you are reacting badly. You perceive that as unconstructive and 'mean'. The truth is that sometimes, in order to create, you must first destroy. It is nothing personal, and you should not take it personally. You have my sympathies, but your comfort is not my concern. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 17:39
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Apollodorus posted:Whoa, I'd totally forgotten about that shot. So much of what people (including me) take away from Alien is cramped corridors and the motion tracker, but it really does have some striking, expansive visuals. The gas giant is visible in some planet surface shots as well; it's less visually impressive because it's muted by the fog and the blues, but it's still really cool. The whole presence of the gas giant provides this really great subliminal sense of oppressive foreboding and human insignificance right from the opening shot - a colossal planet looming in the void, ready to swallow anything that ventures too close. Keeping it present in the surface shots is a subtle reminder of how small the explorers are. Even without the presence of inscrutable giant alien corpses or crazy star beasts, space is still huge and loving scary no matter how much you try and make it seem "conventional".
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Xenomrph posted:Side tangent - you mentioned LV426 as a moon, and it reminded me of how gorgeous the shots in 'Alien' are when we see the gas giant it orbits: How long do they hold that shot for? I think one reason those older space movies have so much more grandeur to them than a lot of present-day stuff is that to really appreciate how huge and awesome space is you need to keep the camera still for more than a few seconds. Also belated thanks for the Seegson info  e: I think you nailed a big part of it with your last post too--seeing something that big in the sky is something we're completely unused to and drives home the scale of things. Same with the Jovian moons in 2001 ruddiger posted:3 goons screaming into the abyss does not equate "dog piling" Do you think you have it in you to make one constructive or interesting post itt? It's cool if you don't
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Jul 14, 2016 17:48
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Clipperton posted:Do you think you have it in you to make one constructive or interesting post itt? It's cool if you don't It is constructive to do away with false populism.
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Jul 14, 2016 17:57
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It is constructive to do away with false populism. What if you're really bad at it though
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Jul 14, 2016 18:00
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Clipperton posted:How long do they hold that shot for? I think one reason those older space movies have so much more grandeur to them than a lot of present-day stuff is that to really appreciate how huge and awesome space is you need to keep the camera still for more than a few seconds. Also belated thanks for the Seegson info I'd have to rewatch the movie to see how long they hold it for, but in my memory it's long enough for it to be really memorable.  Speaking of Seegson and gas giants, if you haven't played Alien Isolation, just look up a YouTube video of the game's main menu. No really, it sounds silly but the menu's background is dominated by this colossal view of a roiling gas giant and it's seriously one of the most impressive visuals in the whole game. Compare the gas giant visuals with, say, the red gas giant in 'Star Wars', and it's really interesting how drastically different the moods are despite ostensibly being the same object. The muted, Jupiter-esque browns and oranges of 'Alien' coupled with the almost seething, ominous music, versus the bright red planet from 'Star Wars', with Williams' bombastic score.
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Jul 14, 2016 18:05
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oldpainless posted:I'll be honest, I'm not sure who Zizek is or why he is brought up as someone who is an expert on movies. A socialist philosopher whose face was melted by the sheer energy of the truths he speaks to power.
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Jul 14, 2016 18:11
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Xenomrph posted:The whole presence of the gas giant provides this really great subliminal sense of oppressive foreboding and human insignificance right from the opening shot - a colossal planet looming in the void, ready to swallow anything that ventures too close. Keeping it present in the surface shots is a subtle reminder of how small the explorers are. Even without the presence of inscrutable giant alien corpses or crazy star beasts, space is still huge and loving scary no matter how much you try and make it seem "conventional". This is good poo poo, I can't believe I'd forgotten. I should go watch it again, along with A3 - I've already seen Aliens enough not to care to re-watch it for a few more years.
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Jul 14, 2016 18:17
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 This is why SMG talks about "ideology" and name drops Hegel often.
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Jul 14, 2016 18:21
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Clipperton posted:What if you're really bad at it though Then you have my permission to end. The point of Alien 1 is that Ripley overcomes her desire to maintain the comfortable homeostatic balance of the ship. Her initial goal of maintaining the quarantine is her moral limitation: she would leave Kane outside to die, so that everyone else can fly away from the planet and return to their normal lives working for the company. I'm sure you would agree that that would be a very boring ending to the film. By the actual end of the film, instead, Ripley has become 'radicalized' - killing Mother and suiting up to bravely head off on her own towards what is probably her death. The point is that Ripley rejects the populist approach (where she would helplessly complain about the alien 'corruption') and instead accepts and withstands the challenge posed by the alien, becoming 'alien' herself. In this sense, the alien has actually helped Ripley to defeat Mother, who of course was the real enemy all along. The alien itself is neither good nor bad. It is simply there, in all its impenetrability, and the question is how you react. Cameron, for example, reacted very badly - taking blame away from Mother and saying the real enemy was the aliens all along (and maybe a handful of greedy people). In Cameron's view, Ash was bad because he wasn't programmed to respect human rights. I bring this up because the conflict in this thread mirrors that of the films. I am many things to many people: 'Terrorist'. 'Monster'. 'Elitist'. 'Liar'. 'Troll'. Etc. I am understood as a corruptive force. The truth, however, is that these are fantasies of society's theft. In truth, I do not actually exist. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 18:27
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Xenomrph posted:Speaking of Seegson and gas giants, if you haven't played Alien Isolation, just look up a YouTube video of the game's main menu. No really, it sounds silly but the menu's background is dominated by this colossal view of a roiling gas giant and it's seriously one of the most impressive visuals in the whole game. And the music on that menu screen too... that music still makes my hair stand on end, from being totally traumatized by seeing Alien in the theater at age ten.
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Jul 14, 2016 18:36
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Xenomrph posted:And people are dogpiling you here not because of your "message", but because you're being an unconstructive, disingenuous rear end in a top hat who talks down to people. It's part of the communist schtick: the strict material worldview, the single class, one-party state; a harmonious population united behind a single cause; etc.; means you'll find folks this far to the left can have a near-religious commitment to fundamental truth, leading to hopeless pedantry, frequent displacement of the burden of proof, disregard for social graces, and general assholery. SMG does a really, really good job at presenting this kind of insufferable personality.
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Jul 14, 2016 19:01
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I think it'd be neat for a Predator movie to be about a dude hunting a lone, small weak Predator. The Predator wins this time because the dude gets cocky. Please fund my predator film tia
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Jul 14, 2016 19:20
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I bring this up because the conflict in this thread mirrors that of the films. I am many things to many people: 'Terrorist'. 'Monster'. 'Elitist'. 'Liar'. 'Troll'. Etc. I am understood as a corruptive force. The truth, however, is that these are fantasies of society's theft. In truth, I do not actually exist. I have fuckall to do at work today so here goes: Actually, what you are to most people is "a choad". This is because your posting style is grating and annoying to them. I don't believe you're a troll, but your attitude creates a lot of pointless friction that gets in the way of a proper discussion of the ideas you think you're bringing to the table. Assuming you actually want to have a proper discussion, that is. If you're happy just being an intellectual-gadfly-slash-regular-member-of-the-top-ten-most-ignored-posters-on-SA, then keep it up if that floats your boat I guess. It's okay if you can't see why people don't respond well to your style; there are lots of great resources that can help you work on it regardless. Good luck 
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Jul 14, 2016 19:23
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lizardman posted:It's part of the communist schtick: the strict material worldview, the single class, one-party state; a harmonious population united behind a single cause; etc.; means you'll find folks this far to the left can have a near-religious commitment to fundamental truth, leading to hopeless pedantry, frequent displacement of the burden of proof, disregard for social graces, and general assholery. SMG does a really, really good job at presenting this kind of insufferable personality. I have supported everything I have written. You, on the other hand, have made variety of factual errors. I have repeatedly stated that I am against harmony, including in the post just before this one, and then demonstrated as much through my actions. The goal of communism is classless society, not 'single class' (whatever that is (do you mean a unitary class society?)), and I am not 'near-religious'; I am Christian. I do not come to bring peace, but a sword. Like I said, it should be very easy to demonstrate if I have written anything untrue or inaccurate. Instead, you are preoccupied with 'secret motivations'. Rest assured that I do not actually exist. There is no conspiracy against you. Clipperton posted:I have fuckall to do at work today so here goes: If you choose to ignore, then that is your choice. I have been told that ignorance is bliss, though I do not believe it. I am not an intellectual. I am destroyer. I am enemy. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 19:28
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When is SMG going to figure out that we're all actually chatbots and that his high-effort/low-output trolling is even more wasteful than it appears at face value
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Jul 14, 2016 19:38
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Zeris posted:When is SMG going to figure out that we're all actually chatbots and that his high-effort/low-output trolling is even more wasteful than it appears at face value I am completely upfront in my actions, and writing is effortless for me. There is no conspiracy against you.
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Jul 14, 2016 19:48
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Anyway, in Alien chat: are there any worthwhile Alien fan films? Hopefully ones that aren't focused on people waving pulse rifles around?
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Jul 14, 2016 19:53
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Alien and Alien 3
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Jul 14, 2016 19:59
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Clipperton posted:Anyway, in Alien chat: are there any worthwhile Alien fan films? Hopefully ones that aren't focused on people waving pulse rifles around? I can't think of any noteworthy ones (aside from, like, Batman: Dead End). The barrier for entry for Alien fan films is higher than most, because unless you do the Alien entirely in CGI, making it look convincing on film is a combination of a complicated suit that doesn't look like floppy rubber garbage, effective/deliberate lighting (or lack thereof), and an actor inside the suit that can sell the whole thing. When you're talking about fan films, they're generally not going to have the talent or resources to pull it off. Predator fan films are more common, because they're easier to pull off. The costume is less intricate and looks fine in full lighting, and the Predator's motion and character is more recognizably humanoid.
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Jul 14, 2016 20:12
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Yeah anything alien related needs really good sets, really good lighting, really good sound, and either top of the line CG or amazing costumes. Those are all the things fan films are generally pretty bad at. Sometimes they can do 1 thing well, like a bunch of turbonerds get together and make hollywood style CG but it's full of nerds trying to act. Or maybe they make some good costumes and get some ok actors but the lighting and effects are garbage. It's hard.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:01
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Yeah, Batman: Dead End had high production values because the director (Sandy Collora) was an industry professional (and the Predator costumes in his fan film are actually based on unused concept art he did for 'Predator 2'). Also the Aliens are only even in it for like 15 seconds.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:10
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That said I think an alien fan film that didn't have the aliens in it, or maybe just for 15 seconds would be fine. Just do something suspenseful with great lighting and sound design and get some actors that aren't just some pasty 20-something dorks. Build some cool sets in an abandoned factory or something, what ever, just capture the feel, the technology.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:15
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Baronjutter posted:That said I think an alien fan film that didn't have the aliens in it, or maybe just for 15 seconds would be fine. Just do something suspenseful with great lighting and sound design and get some actors that aren't just some pasty 20-something dorks. Build some cool sets in an abandoned factory or something, what ever, just capture the feel, the technology. Yeah and it's not like low-res helmet-cam footage isn't canon. Set it in a spaceship as they watch their ground team investigate a derelict alien ship, you could get away with pretty crappy models/cgi if it's dark enough. You'd still need a good feel for suspense, just a bit less money
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Jul 14, 2016 21:31
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I wrote a treatment for one a little while back. I feel like I could totally do it. But having good actors would be my priority. Considering there isn't one bit of fan service in the entire script.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:33
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Baronjutter posted:That said I think an alien fan film that didn't have the aliens in it, or maybe just for 15 seconds would be fine. Just do something suspenseful with great lighting and sound design and get some actors that aren't just some pasty 20-something dorks. Build some cool sets in an abandoned factory or something, what ever, just capture the feel, the technology. All that stuff costs money.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:38
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Heh just do everything that makes a great movie whats the problem.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:45
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Yeah, any film making endeavors costs money. Good talent, realistic goals, and connections can make it a hell of a lot cheaper though.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:46
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zVxTeflon posted:Heh just do everything that makes a great movie whats the problem. Tbh if there's a good script I don't need a lot of that stuff
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Jul 14, 2016 21:47
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The only thing I need that costs big money is a life sized Egg/Facehugger. I'm solid with most everything else. Time is my biggest issue.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:50
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A proper fan-film requires little more than actual creativity. It would not be inordinately difficult or expensive to (re)create Alien 2: On Earth, which remains one of the best Alien films. Crawl Or Die was made on a shoestring, and surpasses most of the Alien films. People are getting caught up in this logic of 'I gotta have an accurate xenomorph', and no. You really don't.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:57
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You can just use a 20 dollar toy for it. It doesn't matter overall.
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Jul 14, 2016 22:14
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Someone please make an amazing stop-motion alien fan film.
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Dunno about amazing, but I did this a while back.
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