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Lord Twisted posted:Finally, the buff we have all been waiting for. Just like the points increase on the Falchion. FW crew hates D weapons on tanks, prefers them on every single stompy robot instead. The drop pod nerf makes a leviathan less attractive. They were already one of those 'cool, but almost too expensive' choices. Now it's just about the cost of a knight. Armoured breakthrough owns though. Also I have no complaints now that spartans cost 45 points more.
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BULBASAUR posted:Just like the points increase on the Falchion. FW crew hates D weapons on tanks, prefers them on every single stompy robot instead. Yeah, the Falchion wasnt that good to begin with because its one shot. Those javelin changes own though and I should finish assembling my 3 that have been sitting in a box.
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Hixystix is gonna be happy with the javelin changes. Hell, most legions can use it for some badly needed ajility. What does strafing run give it? Also check this: armoured breakthrough command tank laser vindicator squadron. Why, I do declare!
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Had a bit of time to go over the new stuff that relevant to me, my thoughts. - The glaive is now (still) the most reliable of the legion tanks. Raising the cost of the Flachion and giving it an upgrade is stupid, no changes to the Cerberus is retarded. - The typhon is still a terror at 2000 points... and the increased cost is offset by the cheaper everything else. Eh. - Vets are dope. 235 points for 10 sniping, outflanking jerks in a rhino with two assault heavy bolters. This used to be 275 points. Artificer Armour for free yo. - Pride of the Legion got a slight nerf, if you don't plan on using regular terminators then Chosen Duty is great and very safe. - Assault marines are sick, the assault legions have no reason to run regular tacticals now, except for inductii World Eaters. - 65 points for a Javelin with TL cyclone launchers and 2x hunter killers is crazy. It used to be that 2 Javs vs 1 Sicaran was a valid question, now it's 3 Javs vs 1 Sicaran. As a bonus assaulting them is an annoyance. - Regular speeders are also really drat good. They were a cheap source of graviton, now they are cheaper and get the low-cost HK missiles. - I'm glad I have two. A third is even pretty realistic. - Laser Vindicators are still ace. Autocannon Deredeos too. - Armoured Breakthrough is not going to be very fun to play against now that the fleshy component is no longer needed. Mango Polo fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Yeah, the cost increase on some of the more economical tanks is a bummer considering they dropped prices across the board. They should focus on getting everything into the realm of 'good and fun to take'. That's just good systems design. The buffs with point increases to a few of the under-performers is really baffling. In truth though the reign of sicarans and exterminators was probably 2 years ago. Most experienced metas are troops light. I suspect that we might see a resurgence of foot armies for a little while. Just the extra 50 points you save from taking two tactical squads is almost enough for two extra rhinos. Speaking of which. Did the rhino get any extra pintile options? If you could just slam a multi melta onto one... e: Malcador squadrons for armoured breakthrough... heh heh heh BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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BULBASAUR posted:Speaking of which. Did the rhino get any extra pintile options? If you could just slam a multi melta onto one... 15 points for a pintle multi melta. In fact every vehicle with pintle weapons gets this as an option. e. I think every unit now has Hunter Killer missiles at 5 points. Predators get them at the cost. Mango Polo fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Jul 15, 2016 08:46
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Battle bunker rhinos  A 15 point MM for predators, vindicators, and sicarans is very nice
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Jul 15, 2016 09:19
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Also the stupid question of the Laser-Destroyer Vindicator's range finally got settled, at 48". Sick.
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Jul 15, 2016 09:29
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So how much is 20 assault Marines now? Was like 400+pts If they're significantly cheaper I'm taking 2 squads of 20 for my word bearers, ditching the tanks, taking 15 flesh hounds and hoping I don't run into av14
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Mango Polo posted:Also the stupid question of the Laser-Destroyer Vindicator's range finally got settled, at 48". Sick. How about laser destroyer rapiers? 48" like for the SA?
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Assault Marines: 175 base + 13 per extra, so 305 points for the full squad. Bulba: Yup, the rapier laser-destroyers are 48" too.
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Mango you rock. Thanks dude.
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There's something called the Atomantic Imploder. Again it doesn't show up outside of the armoury? Range -, SD, AP1, Ordnance 1, Blast 3", Blind, Instant Death. is that some Auxilia weapon? Nvm it's on the cyclops or whatever. And this stuff Kinetic Piercing Missile 48", S6, AP2, Heavy 1, Missile, Armourbane, Heatseeker (no jink save), One Use Kinetic Grenade 24", S4, Ap5, Assault 1, Blast 3" Mango Polo fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Jul 15, 2016 10:38
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You the Man... Go 305 pts for 20 Marines, so 330 for 20 Marines with a tooled up sergeant, is bloody good. I'm definitely taking 2 squads for 660.
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Mango Polo posted:There's something called the Atomantic Imploder. Again it doesn't show up outside of the armoury? Isn't that only on the cyclops? Kinetic piercer on the thunderbolt. And the kinetic grenade on the SA or militia command squad grenade launchers.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:33
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Does anyone know if ashen circle are monopose? Are the torsos separate from legs? The heads? Etc.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:45
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Legs, torso and heads one piece. This is accurate:
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Brilliant, thanks. I'm probably going to convert 40(!) of them with arm, shoulder pad and weapon swaps to make my assault Marines.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:16
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A good use for them! And Reavers for Veterans because vets totally outclass them. The gently caress FW.
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Why were there no changes to my precious Destroyers Q.Q
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Mango Polo posted:A good use for them! Yeah Reavers are looking pretty tame now. The only things they've got over Vets is Dreadclaws as dedicated transports, the ability to take 15 guys, and Jump Packs as an option. Now if 8th edition allows assaulting out of reserves, both Reavers and the Black Reaving Rite of War start to look pretty good.
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Well this is the Age of Troops Choices, isn't it. Even the little change of giving support squads CCWs is potentially big. Love the assault change. My 20 MkII jump pack marines will see use after all!
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Chain axes are +1S now. World eaters really looking strong with these changes.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:09
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Is there a specific bit for a cortex controller? Or should I just get an appropriately tech-y looking piece and staple it onto some fucker?
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Jul 15, 2016 22:38
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Support squads getting the extra CCW option is awesome, as is the assault squad drop
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Jul 15, 2016 23:21
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So uh...quote:Burning Retros
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TTerrible posted:Support squads getting the extra CCW option is awesome adamantium|wang posted:So uh...
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Buff the Dreadclaw into space and nerf the dreadnought drop pod into the dirt? Hahaha
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Peeps on other forums are trying to defend it as balanced. The Levithan is stuck walking now basically. One thing FW forgot is that the DDP is open topped. So anything inside is shooting from the edge of the hull and not actually through the cloud
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I really don't understand what they've been trying to do with DDPs and why they seem so determined to write themselves in knots over it. Either flat out state that units in a DDP can, unlike everything else in the game, assault out of reserves or just give the disembarking Dreadnought Shrouded on the turn it lands and be done with it.
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As dumb as some of this stuff is, I think we got 70% of what we needed. My only real concern is that vets are so loving good now. As are javelins. I expect most metas to start bringing more men and less tanks, now that the troops tax isn't so bad. That means artillery and pie plates are going to come back in short order
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I'm okay with that though. Mass Infantry looks awesome on the tabletop.
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Hencoe posted:I'm okay with that though. Mass Infantry looks awesome on the tabletop. Finally, GW have given us a replacement for WHFB
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Jul 16, 2016 01:02
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Makes me glad I just painted up 30 guys.
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I have 60+ dudes assembled on my table and couldn't be happier.
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I've had a Fire Raptor in my closet for the last year or so and I've finally gotten around to washing everything to prep for construction. I've been dry-fitting some things and holy poo poo there's a bunch of warped panels. Especially the big side ones.  Has anyone else built this thing and have some advice? I think I'm going to need to go grab some rubber bands.
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Safety Factor posted:I've had a Fire Raptor in my closet for the last year or so and I've finally gotten around to washing everything to prep for construction. I've been dry-fitting some things and holy poo poo there's a bunch of warped panels. Especially the big side ones. Heat gun, as long as you're not trying to melta gun your model I've found it much better for large panels and such than the hot water trick.
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Only if they have rockets attached to them. Or are pulling a sled.
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DJ Dizzy posted:Thunderwolves as substitute for jetbikes. Yes/no? please no.................
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