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Shady Amish Terror posted:With regards to the law, Meet my source material. Anyway, tag fixed.
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Oh yeah, something I didn't see mentioned about chapter 3. The game makes little beep boop noises to represent speaking as text scrolls. It has two different noises, a lower pitched one for male characters and a higher pitch for females. Except for Dee Vasquez - she uses the male beeps, presumably because her voice is lower from smoking. 
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I gotta be real, that law actually makes a lot of sense. Like, not in the sense that it's a legitimately sensible law to be passing, but in the off chance that Sasquatch is real, who wants to be the guy telling some hillbilly he's free to go because there's no law against shooting Bigfoot? Show of hands. Anyone?
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Jul 17, 2016 05:44
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Also discourages random yahoos from coming into town, shooting at vague shapes in the woods, and killing campers, travelers, or other yahoos.
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Oberndorf posted:Also discourages random yahoos from coming into town, shooting at vague shapes in the woods, and killing campers, travelers, or other yahoos. I suspect that's the main actual purpose of the law, tell people they can't shoot bigfoot, and they're less likely to accidently shoot innocents who they think are bigfoot. Then again I'm british not american, so perhaps the USA is just crazy. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Mors Rattus posted:Next time: Trial.
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The person we're set to face off against is probably one of the highlights of the series. 
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Come to Japanifornia: We might have a 99% conviction rate, but we also have a statute of limitations for murder!
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Stephen9001 posted:I suspect that's the main actual purpose of the law, tell people they can't shoot bigfoot, and they're less likely to accidently shoot innocents who they think are bigfoot. Then again I'm british not american, so perhaps the USA is just crazy. Speaking as an American: that makes zero sense, we are crazy. Anyone who's enough of a ridiculous yahoo to just shoot at indistinct shapes hoping to peg Bigfoot isn't gonna let no sissy law stop 'em. Also, if they do happen to shoot a real person instead, they're not gonna just go to court and go "well your honor, members of the jury, I thought she was Bigfoot when I shot her," and everyone's just going to go, "yeah that's reasonable you're free to go." They're gonna get charged with like, second degree murder or negligent assault. Anyone who would stop and think "It is illegal to shoot Bigfoot here in Washington" would also make absolutely 100% sure they were shooting at Bigfoot in the first place, because (and you will be forgiven for not realizing this, given all the cops who've been on the news lately) it is also illegal to shoot other people, even by accident. Literally the only thing that makes sense is that someone was legitimately afraid that Bigfoot might actually exist, and didn't want to be the guy getting the stinkeye when someone asked, "And why can't we convict Jebediah Strawguy for shooting Bigfoot and making a pair of assless chaps from his pelt?"
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I haven't read up on the history of that law in particular, but lots of stupid laws come into being for a wide array of stupid reasons. Laws concerning mythical beasts are sometimes passed purely as PR measures, sometimes just to shut up some vocal nutcase, and sometimes to discourage people from edge cases, which is probably part of the reason for the Bigfoot ordinance. Someone who wants to shoot Bigfoot JUST MIGHT take potshots at random people in the woods, and be discouraged from doing so if they know it's illegal to shoot Bigfoot (because if they believe in Bigfoot, there's a non-zero chance they will confidently %100 identify someone in a parka in the tree-line as Bigfoot). The most important factor is usually how the law affects the governing body passing it, especially when it comes to city ordinances and the like; politicians will pass the absolutely stupidest most hand-wringing bullshit if it helps to more thoroughly cover their rear end in the event of someone asking 'well why didn't we have a LAW against shooting Bigfoot so these people won't take potshots at random humanoid figures in the woods???' It doesn't necessarily matter that a law against shooting at people randomly is redundant and probably ineffective. Or they could just be nutcases themselves. A lot of crazy laws get passed all over the place.
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You forgot the most plausible explanation: They're all at least part-Sasquatch themselves.
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Dr. Buttass posted:Speaking as an American: that makes zero sense, we are crazy. Anyone who's enough of a ridiculous yahoo to just shoot at indistinct shapes hoping to peg Bigfoot isn't gonna let no sissy law stop 'em. Also, if they do happen to shoot a real person instead, they're not gonna just go to court and go "well your honor, members of the jury, I thought she was Bigfoot when I shot her," and everyone's just going to go, "yeah that's reasonable you're free to go." They're gonna get charged with like, second degree murder or negligent assault. Anyone who would stop and think "It is illegal to shoot Bigfoot here in Washington" would also make absolutely 100% sure they were shooting at Bigfoot in the first place, because (and you will be forgiven for not realizing this, given all the cops who've been on the news lately) it is also illegal to shoot other people, even by accident. Literally the only thing that makes sense is that someone was legitimately afraid that Bigfoot might actually exist, and didn't want to be the guy getting the stinkeye when someone asked, "And why can't we convict Jebediah Strawguy for shooting Bigfoot and making a pair of assless chaps from his pelt?" Perchance are you from Ohio?
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Jul 18, 2016 03:57
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Dipshits have enough trouble telling deer from people. They really don't need an excuse to be shooting at things that would actually be human-shaped.
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Leif. posted:Perchance are you from Ohio? Oregon, actually. Once you leave the Portland area the only way you can really tell you're not in Ohio is that the scenery's better; the people and the towns are pretty much the same. Shady Amish Terror posted:Or they could just be nutcases themselves. A lot of crazy laws get passed all over the place. This completely misses the point of why dumb laws are great. See, our system of government does one thing right, and that's that if a crazy dude is county commissioner of Multnomah County he can't just go "in the interest of protecting the public's footwear, all citizens are to soak their pink pillows in pickle juice at least once a week or be subject to a $1000 fine" and it's law. Everyone's gonna vote "no." First he's got to convince everyone else that fairies steal shoes but hate the smell of pickle juice (and the pillows must be pink because he wouldn't ask people to sleep on green pillows like some kind of monster), and therefore soaking your pillow in the stuff will keep them away and your shoes will remain unstolen. And only when enough people agree that this is perfectly logical and sensical will it be passed into law. So it is with all the crazy laws that actually exist. At one point in time enough people agreed that it was a perfectly logical and well-thought-out law that needed passing. That was a mistake of phrasing on my part, I talked like it was just one guy who was afraid someone would just skin Bigfoot for chaps and get off scot free, but really one guy had the thought and then at least 51% of the other people in the county went "you know what, he's right, this is a serious problem and we need to fix it on the double." No "dumb laws" story is ever complete without knowing what train of thought made it not a dumb law at all.
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That's fair, but sometimes that reasoning is really goddamned nutty and hard to predict, especially the further down you get in population size. Which is part of what can make it compelling story-telling, I suppose. I guess it's usually more contextually logical at the state or county level (in most states), even when you're passing ordinances declaring a state amphibian for whatever reason. I was raised in rural Kentucky, and individual towns will pass ordinances based on family feuds or the advice of travelling snake-handlers. And much of eastern Kentucky's counties basically are just one town, so I guess it's easy to forget counties are usually, ya know, substantial voting bodies.
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Dr. Buttass posted:This completely misses the point of why dumb laws are great. A great number of laws are passed by a small group merely because no one else was in attendance / objected, any number of regulations are encoded in law despite never getting an "up and down" proper vote, a lot of laws or bylaws are bundled together in ways that don't really make sense ("Here's an omnibus education funding bill. Oh, and it has a rider about people shooting bigfoot. No, you can't object to just that part.")
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Not to forget that most legislators don't bother to read the full text of many of the laws they vote on, and either trust what the bill's author tells them it says or just go by the name. At the federal level, you also get a lot of amendments that have nothing to do with the law itself, either because they're unlikely to get passed as standalone laws or because someone hates a bill so much that they tie it to something its proponents will hate. American politics is just messed up in general, so it's important to be able to laugh at the parts that are more funny than harmful.
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Okay, so I simplified beyond the point where maybe I ought, but nevertheless.
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Case 4 - Turnabout Goodbyes Trial (Day 2) - Part 1     : That's right, Manfred von Karma. He's the best prosecutor there is. He hasn't lost a case in his 40-year career. He is a god of prosecution, Wright! A god! : Not a single case? : He'll do anything to get a guilty verdict, anything. : Hmm. Sounds like someone else I know, Edgeworth. : Hmph. : You don't understand. I mean he'll really do anything. Manfred von Karma is a man to be feared.: (That's quite a claim coming from someone who forges evidence...): He taught me what it really means to "prosecute.": Wh-what!?: Just picture a prosecutor as vicious as me... multiplied by a factor of ten. : Ugh...: So... so was he your teacher, then, Mr. Edgeworth?: Something like that... : And now he's trying to get you found guilty!? What a creep! : Oh, wait... : Maybe he's planning on losing on purpose to help you out!: Not a chance... He hasn't lost once in 40 years. 40 years!: He's as ruthless as me, times twenty! : That's pretty ruthless...: Like I said. He's a god among prosecutors.: (I guess that's something like Mia was to me. Speaking of Mia...) Um, Maya? : Uh huh?: We could really be using Mia's help right now... don't you think?: Oh...: ?: I can't. : Sorry. I tried, I really tried, but I couldn't reach.: You couldn't "reach"?: I think it's because I haven't been training. : My powers are weak again...: Oh man, what bad timing! I'm really sorry. I'll try my best!: I hope so!: What are you whispering about?: O-oh, it's nothing. Well, it's time. Let's head in...     : Court is now in session for the trial of Mr. Miles Edgeworth. : The defense is ready, Your Honor.  : Erm, Mr. von Karma? Is the prosecution ready?  : Fool... : R-right, my apologies! : (He's even got the Judge scared!): Very well, your opening statement, please.: ... Decisive evidence... A decisive witness... : What else could possibly be required?: Ah... er, nothing of course. That should be fine. The prosecution may call its first witness. : What's with this guy? Is he royalty or something?: How am I supposed to fight against this!?: I call the detective in charge of this case, Detective Dick Gumshoe.: (Okay, Gumshoe's first... Let's see how this goes.) : Describe the incident. Now! : Y-yessir! : (Detective Gumshoe looks nervous...): Er, please take a look at the map.   : There were two men on the boat. : At 12:10 AM, she heard two pistol shots. Then the boat started to move. : Hmm. And while we're in here, our new profiles.        Anyway... : Testify to the court about your arrest. Now!: W-w-wait! Mr. von Karma...: Yes?: Actually, I'm the one that's supposed to be handling these proceedings... : Wrong. There is only one thing you need to do here.: You will slam down your gavel and say the word "guilty." That is your role!: Y-yes, of course. You're quite right.: (No he's not!!!)         : Hmm... I see. Very well...: Begin your cross-examination, attorney. Now!: ...   : You received a call from a "man"? : Er... yup.: But you said there was a woman camping there? : She was the one who heard the two gunshots, right? : That woman and the "man" who called in the report are two different people, obviously!: Different people?: There were two witnesses! : Their testimonies were quite similar however. Today I've summoned the woman who was camping.: (The woman who was camping... Lotta Hart.): What happened next, Detective? : How long was it between receiving the report and your arrival at the lake?: Er, well... I'd say it was about three minutes.: That's pretty fast! : Our motto for the month is "get there quick."   : Y-yessir! Sorry, sir!: Do that and you'll be able to look forward to your next salary review. : So much to look forward to, these days...: This is no time for daydreaming! Continue!: Y-yessir! : What was Mr. Edgeworth like when you saw him then?: Well... From what I saw, he looked pretty relaxed. Not like a murderer at all, really.: Detective! The court requires the facts, NOT your opinion! How many years have you been on the force!? : Facts only, Detective! Hard, cold, objective facts!: Y-y-yessir! : (Man, he's got his share of objections...) : Why didn't you think he was suspicious? : You should know! We have a deep, trusting relationship with the prosecutors.: Detective! The court isn't interested in your musings! "Deep"? "Trusting"? Poppycock!: I've never heard so many flippant comments from an active detective on the force!: Mmph!: (Detective Gumshoe doesn't look so good...): Continue! Now! : Did you find any clues on the body? : He was shot through the heart... fatally.: Judge! Here's the bullet... It didn't strike bone, so its shape is well preserved.: Very well. The court accepts this bullet into evidence.  : W-why is that?: Well, we found the murder weapon in the boat.: The murder weapon...?  : Detective Gumshoe... That is a vital piece of information. Please revise your testimony.: Right! S-sorry, Your Honor. : What about the pistol made it "decisive evidence"? : (Ack! He has the same evil laugh as Edgeworth...) : They were clear prints from Mr. Edgeworth's right hand.  : Order! Order!: So Mr. Edgeworth's fingerprints were found on the murder weapon!?: Y-yes, Your Honor. : A-accepted into evidence. : Members of the court... We now have the pistol used in the murder, and the bullet found in the body!: Detective!: Y-y-yessir!  : ... : Hey, Nick! : What does he mean, "ballistic markings"?: Shocking! To imagine someone here does not know something as basic as ballistic markings!: N-Nick! He's glaring at me!: Tsk... very well, I'll explain. Actually, Judge! You do it.: Eh? M-me? ...: Erm, ahem.: Ballistic markings are like the "fingerprints" of a gun. The barrel leaves distinctive marks on each bullet it fires. You can examine these "ballistic fingerprints" to see which gun fired the shot. It's quite accurate.: Indeed.  : This pistol which, as you may recall, was covered with the defendant's own fingerprints!: O-order! Order!: (This is bad... This makes it look like Edgeworth did it!): Well, Judge?: I'd say it's almost decisive, yes. Honestly, I could declare a verdict at this point. However...: You wish to hear the witness speak, no doubt. Very well.: I am somewhat fatigued, and so I will take a brief break. I will call my witness after the recess. Which will last ten minutes.: Judge!: Y-yes?: What are you doing? A ten minute recess! Now!: B-but, wait, I...: Just bang your flimsy gavel and get on with it, man!: Y-yes!: Ahem. The court will take a ten minute recess.: (Who's running this court, anyway!?)  : Your fingerprints were on the murder weapon! : Uh... hmm... : The only one who could have shot that man was the person in the photo!: True...: Was that you in the boat?: ... Yes. It was me.: What!?: But... you must believe me. I didn't shoot him.: Th-then who did!?: I... don't know.: You don't know!? Weren't you right there!?: ... I heard a gunshot from very close by. Then... the other man fell from the boat. I can't say why, but...: I thought, at the time, that he had shot himself!: Y-you mean it was a suicide!?: ...: That's the only explanation I can come up with.: Huh... (How am I going to convince anyone of that!?) Say, Maya?: Huh? Wh-what?: Any progress with Mia?: Oh... Sorry. It's no good.: Ugh...: I know... I'm no good for anything, am I, Nick?  : Um, well, actually... (You don't know law, you don't have any trial experience or techniques... Yeah, you're pretty much useless... but I can't say that!): It's okay Nick. You don't have to say anything. Your face said it for you.: (Whoops!) N-no, o-of course we... I'm sorry.: It's okay, Nick.Or...  : No, of course not, I need you here! I can see you're always trying to help out. Even if oyu don't actually help... it's the thought that counts, right?: It's okay Nick. You don't have to make me feel better.Convergence. : I don't know anything about trials, or defense... What's more, I'm a spirit medium who can't even contact spirits...: Aww, everyone has their off days! I mean, I've just been getting lucky lately... But you never know when my luck is going to run out!: Really...? : Don't jinx this case any worse than it already is!: It's bad for my heart...: Oh? Oh! S-sorry... (Whoops!)Next time: The Curse of Draculawyer. 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Objection! Please find and attach the voice clip of Von Karma's objection, it's so wonderfully deep. E: As an Australian, I had never heard of that little snippet of law before. What the hell. 
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Three shots, huh? Our witness only heard 2. That's interesting.
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Everyone, please read Manfred in the most stereotypical "angry German asshat" voice you can think of. Also, Gregory Edgeworth is basically Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch.
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AlphaKretin posted:Objection! Have you considered clicking on his objections?
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Do you think, as well as teaching him that only the verdict matters and the system is obviously blindly correct, Von Karma also led Edgeworth down the dark path of cravats?
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Mors Rattus posted:Have you considered clicking on his objections?  This is what I get for skimming on a phone.
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God, I forgot how scary von Karma was. I did just notice, however, he appears to have an earring. I never noticed next to the insane collar/cravat combo he had going on.
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The cravat is probably an honest mistake, given that's what you call a necktie in German. Everyone's probably too scared of the shouty German jackass to correct him. That's kinda how he comes off here; I'm a little disappointed in him so far. He just seems like an rear end in a top hat rather than imposing or impressive.
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Night10194 posted:The cravat is probably an honest mistake, given that's what you call a necktie in German. If everybody is too scared to correct him I'd call the man imposing.
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It comes off a little forced so far. But we'll see. It's early in the trial yet and it'll be interesting to see how things change when he has a fight on his hands instead of a walkover. I expect it'll get way better then.
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Funky Valentine posted:Everyone, please read Manfred in the most stereotypical "angry German asshat" voice you can think of. Angry? I hear his voice as the most stereotypical "  German asshat".(To-may-to to-mah-to admittedly) Night10194 posted:Do you think, as well as teaching him that only the verdict matters and the system is obviously blindly correct, Von Karma also led Edgeworth down the dark path of cravats? Look at Edgeworth, now back to von Karma, now back to Edgeworth, now back to von Karma. Of loving course he taught him the Sith ways of the cravat.
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Night10194 posted:Three shots, huh? Our witness only heard 2. That's interesting. And unless I'm misremembering, the victim was only shot once. Something's not adding up, here.
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Regalingualius posted:And unless I'm misremembering, the victim was only shot once. Something's not adding up, here. Phoenix pointing that out will be less "well what about this critical inconsistency!" and more "von Karma please let me speak I found this thing oh god let me do something." The von Karma will wag his finger, call Phoenix an idiot, order a guilty verdict, and case 5 is the appeals court vs. Payne, who has trained in 50 times earth's gravity to reach super lawyer 2. This is my fanfic please rate and review.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:This is my fanfic please rate and review. To be fair, apart from Paine going super lawyer 2 that's pretty much how I picture the 5, maybe 10 years of von Karma's career before this particular trial.
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Seriously, did anyone else think that Manfred was a vampire the first time they saw him?Night10194 posted:Do you think, as well as teaching him that only the verdict matters and the system is obviously blindly correct, Von Karma also led Edgeworth down the dark path of cravats? He, in fact, did introduce him to cravats.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Seriously, did anyone else think that Manfred was a vampire the first time they saw him? Well, he wouldn't be the only vampire named Manfred von something. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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I know in this version von Karma is from Germany, but where did he come from in the Japanese version?
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Mraagvpeine posted:I know in this version von Karma is from Germany, but where did he come from in the Japanese version? America
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Wait, the victim was shot in the heart with a 22 caliber pistol? That's borderline accidental. A 22 barely qualifies as lethal, it could be stopped by adult male ribs, and you'd have to miss the ribs to hit the heart. With a weapon as inaccurate as a pistol that's a lucky shot. Also, why does the Australian tax minster need reality warping powers? Added Space fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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