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cptn_dr posted:I was disappointed when we didn't get annotated versions of the rest of the Thrawn trilogy. The first was a really interesting look at behind the scenes of the early EU I was also hoping for all three to be covered, but I could only have one annotated EU book period I'd pick Heir, since it had the most interesting backstory as starting the conventional EU. Just like how I think a detailed behind the scenes documentary on the making of a New Hope is going to be more interesting than any of the other films since the story Lucas and co. trying to make their vision come true with 70's tech and a fairly modest budget, and no idea about how big a hit it was going to be, is a more compelling story on paper than future movies which had bigger budgets and more awareness of what a phenomenon Star Wars had become. I think any Star Wars making-of doc can be good, but New Hope just has the most fun story to tell in my view. There's a fair bit of discussion in the foreward with Zahn pointing out how Star Wars had been in a real rut with no movies since episode 6, just a few tie ins, no merch being made, and Heir becoming a bestseller helped rekindle the whole Star Wars craze all over again by making the powers that be aware of just how much of a fandom was lying under the surface. Maybe they'll get around to annotating the whole Thrawn trilogy eventually, 30th anniversary editions or something. Thrawn being revitalized for a new generation in Rebels gives them a reason to release and promote the Thrawn Trilogy all over again, and 3 annotated versions add some spice to that. If you do it after the release of the new Thrawn book you could get Zahn's thoughts on aspects of his writing process on that, what he decided to keep in Thrawn's characterization from the trilogy nad what to leave out, etc. The Noghri were a big part of his character for instance, acting as his elite guards and soldiers, but I'd be shocked if they appeared on Rebels or in "Thrawn." Overall that anotated version was interesting and left you wanting more, and that's all you can realistically hope for from any given book, whether you get more of it in future books or not.
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NowonSA posted:Thrawn being revitalized for a new generation in Rebels gives them a reason to release and promote the Thrawn Trilogy all over again, and 3 annotated versions add some spice to that. If you do it after the release of the new Thrawn book you could get Zahn's thoughts on aspects of his writing process on that, what he decided to keep in Thrawn's characterization from the trilogy nad what to leave out, etc. The Noghri were a big part of his character for instance, acting as his elite guards and soldiers, but I'd be shocked if they appeared on Rebels or in "Thrawn." loving  if you think they're going to re-release new versions (not just keep printing, but actually put the effort and money and time into producing new versions) of old defunct product simultaneously with their new thing that actually matters especially when it's the same character written by the same author.I wonder how many years it's going to be before people stop pining after poo poo from the old EU even though it makes no loving sense.
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Are Han's connections to the Empire still a thing? I remember reading that he was also an Imperial pilot who quit after being asked to pick up a captive Chewbacca to transport him to some slave planet. I'm not sure where I read that, but it reminded me of Wedge's new origin. Legends. I still hold out hope for a sequel to Dawn of The Jedi: Into The Void.. Such glorious insanity.
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Strobe posted:loving I don't think it's a wild idea to suggest the release of two more annotated versions of existing books. It's far, far less effort, money and time than a new book, and you have the tie-in with Thrawn in Rebels and a new Thrawn book to give them market appeal despite their Legends status. It's not like they make much money on the original Thrawn trilogy since there's bound to be plenty in the marketplace already, but slap on the annotated coat of paint and you can sell the new version for anywhere from $10-30. Since there's already an annotated Heir it's clearly something they're capable of doing as well. Obviously the primary focus should be on the new stuff that's fitting into their vision of a unified universe, but I don't think "update old Thrawn stuff slightly and make easy money to go along with the new Thrawn stuff we're doing" makes no loving sense. Now my desire for a big wrap-up book to the Legends universe, I can see how that makes no sense because it's a lot of work for something that's inherently going to be seen as second class. Basically, there's a world of difference (in both time/money/effort and sales needed to be successful) between throwing a new paint job on an old classic car and designing and building next year's car model while knowing that it's become unpopular compared to the new modern models that are selling way better.
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NowonSA posted:Ah okay,, I stand corrected then. I'm going off my memories of that annotated Heir to the Empire, where Zahn lays it out as them taking a flyer on a Star Wars book and being surprised by how well they sold, and it all basically screams "This was the first Star Wars book."
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Jul 18, 2016 04:28
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Rogue One and other "stories" will not have an opening crawl.
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Casimir Radon posted:Rogue One and other "stories" will not have an opening crawl. Neither did Republic Commando. I would love to see something similar to the opening of RepCom or Clone Wars, with just the Star Wars logo with sound effects in the background.
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Jul 18, 2016 05:51
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Casimir Radon posted:The new EU authors have been a bit hesitant to just world buid a little on their own. The whole point is to avoid that happening. It's just as bad before, but not imaginatively bad.
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Jul 18, 2016 09:27
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Barnes and Noble had an interesting history of the Star Wars EU from a publishing perspective (which I'm sure has been linked in the thread before). I don't think it actually has been linked here before, or if it has, I missed it. This is pretty great, thanks.
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Yeah, as many fond memories of the EU I have, memories that aren't really tainted by how completely insane some of the plots got since I happened to not read those books, starting fresh was the only realistic choice. I'll take lots of fresh new Star wars movies and T.V. shows over just books any day, and at least now the books are fitting more reasonably into a coherent Star Wars universe that encompasses movies, t.v., books and comics into one massive lump of story that's at least trying not to contradict itself. It'll be interesting to see where they go after Episode 9. I feel like the conflict with Sith and the Empire/First Order should be wrapped up once and for all by then, and 9 will probably end with a truly unified Republic that everyone's a part of (basically where things were when Episode 1 began, only with way fewer Jedi). At the same time, why on earth would they stop making Star Wars movies when people want more and they're huge commercial successes?
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I hadn't seen it before. Apparently we have R.A. Salvatore to thank for getting Denning involved in Star Wars.
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Jul 18, 2016 13:34
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Casimir Radon posted:I hadn't seen it before. Apparently we have R.A. Salvatore to thank for getting Denning involved in Star Wars. Something else we can blame him for. 
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Casimir Radon posted:I hadn't seen it before. Apparently we have R.A. Salvatore to thank for getting Denning involved in Star Wars. Almost as bad as creating Drizzit. Almost.
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Trying to find the read-through of the Bounty Hunter Wars books. Was that in this thread of are they preserved offsite somewhere?
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Nckdictator posted:Trying to find the read-through of the Bounty Hunter Wars books. Was that in this thread of are they preserved offsite somewhere? It's the Lets Read Terrible Star Wars EU books thread which should be gold mined in the book barn section of the forum now.
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The one linked in the OP? Seems to be in Archives http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3296954
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Jul 18, 2016 21:34
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Kuat of Kuat quietly kuating with other Kuat and their kuat
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The space for inventiveness in the old EU was both a strength and a weakness. The Thrawn and X-Wing books were loaded with new concepts and locations that fit pretty much seamlessly into Star Wars, because Zahn, Stackpole, and Allston weren't hacks. Even later on, books like Darth Plagueis made up a lot of interesting things about how the galaxy functions. On the other hand you've got gems like Kyp Durron destroying Carida and nobody in the galaxy really giving a poo poo, the Crystal Star, the eternal life of Thracken Sal-Solo, Admiral Daala's eternal fall upward, and literally hundreds of other stupid details large and small weighing the whole edifice down.
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I think the big thing separating the old EU from the new is the "importance" or scope of events being depicted. With the old EU, they were operating under the assumption that the 3 or 6 films were all that was gonna come out from Lucasfilm. They could do things like have a 19 book series detailing an extra-galactic invasion. They could show the liberation of Coruscant, a slew of superweapons, and various Imperial-remnant warlords. Under the new system, they're currently "competing" with major feature films coming out, feature films that are pushing the timeline forward (as opposed to the prequels going 'backwards' compared to the OT). I think the current press is to have mostly smaller stories, rather than Big Events
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Arcsquad12 posted:Kuat of Kuat quietly kuating with other Kuat and their kuat Bossk and his father doing the Lizard Dance of their ancestors
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cptn_dr posted:Bossk and his father doing the Lizard Dance of their ancestors Bossk getting tricked out of his own ship by a voice recording. Kudar mub'at and balancesheet were pretty cool though. Jeter writes weird science fiction.
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That Bounty Hunter who turned his whole loving head into a laser turret.
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So filoni had some final stuff for ahsoka before the clone wars got canceled, with her surviving on level 1313 with a young not!Han solo, rescuing Yoda near the sith temple in The Works, and leading an assault on mandalore and only surviving order 66 due to her clone escort being slaughtered by giant wolves in a forest. I'm kind of glad we didn't get that and just leave it up to the viewers. It also let's me cram the 2003 clone wars into the end
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Arcsquad12 posted:So filoni had some final stuff for ahsoka before the clone wars got canceled, with her surviving on level 1313 with a young not!Han solo, rescuing Yoda near the sith temple in The Works, and leading an assault on mandalore and only surviving order 66 due to her clone escort being slaughtered by giant wolves in a forest.
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So, the AV Club linked this really fascinating blog on the early history of Star Wars. http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/ Listening to the audience reaction to the climax is seriously great, everyone's having so much fun. http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/2016/06/listen-1977-audiences-reaction-to-star.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBafn2t5v4
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Jazerus posted:The space for inventiveness in the old EU was both a strength and a weakness. The Thrawn and X-Wing books were loaded with new concepts and locations that fit pretty much seamlessly into Star Wars, because Zahn, Stackpole, and Allston weren't hacks. Even later on, books like Darth Plagueis made up a lot of interesting things about how the galaxy functions. On the other hand you've got gems like Kyp Durron destroying Carida and nobody in the galaxy really giving a poo poo, the Crystal Star, the eternal life of Thracken Sal-Solo, Admiral Daala's eternal fall upward, and literally hundreds of other stupid details large and small weighing the whole edifice down. pretty much. for every great star wars book concept/character, their were like 5-10 bad ones. the only things i miss are Kotor(which was retroactively hurt by the MMO lore sorta) and Kyle katarn(who i am sure will be brought back in one form or another.)
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Nckdictator posted:The one linked in the OP? Seems to be in Archives
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Arcsquad12 posted:Kuat of Kuat quietly kuating with other Kuat and their kuat
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Flagrant Abuse posted:I seem to recall there being at least two of these threads, does anyone have a link to the other one(s)? That was the only thread I remember, but someone here took the concept and made a site out of it. I think it was called Jizz Wailing, but no way I'm googling that at work.
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I do think a 2nd thread was attempted, though the 1st one already did the good stuff and all that was left was just unfun to read hyperdrek.
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SeanBeansShako posted:I do think a 2nd thread was attempted, though the 1st one already did the good stuff and all that was left was just unfun to read hyperdrek. Here's the current thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3774887
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PhotoKirk posted:Here's the current thread: That is the GBS spin off of this one, nothing to do with the lets read stuff.
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I just realized that Adam Driver looks a lot like Han Solo from the animated segment of the Holiday Special. 
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Arcsquad12 posted:I just realized that Adam Driver looks a lot like Han Solo from the animated segment of the Holiday Special. That was legitimately the first thing I thought of when he got cast.
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Mu first thought was that he kind of looks like Harrison Ford, if Ford was struck in the face repeatedly with a shovel.
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Casimir Radon posted:Mu first thought was that he kind of looks like Harrison Ford, if Ford was struck in the face repeatedly with a shovel. So like the cartoon, then?
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Has anyone said when rogue one's trailer 2 is supposed to be released? Not their behind the scenes trailer, but the one that apparently features Darth Vader for a few moments.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Has anyone said when rogue one's trailer 2 is supposed to be released? Not their behind the scenes trailer, but the one that apparently features Darth Vader for a few moments. I don't think anyone knows at this point. It was hyped up on stream, but then only shown to people actually in the convention hall. Then they teased it coming on ABC Family that night, but that ended up just being the sizzle reel again. Maybe it'll be attached to the Star Trek movie release, like the first Beyond teaser was to Force Awakens?
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I'm about a quarter of the way through Life Debt, and while I'm finding it pretty enjoyable so far, Mercurial Swift is the dumbest loving name.
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cptn_dr posted:Mercurial Swift is the dumbest loving name. Meetra Surik. Vaner.
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