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We already have Chimps and Gorillas. Humans are just that but more evolved
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Burkion posted:We already have Chimps and Gorillas.
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Jul 20, 2016 04:14
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Great finished comics? I would recommend Kid Radd, Rice Boy, A Lesson is Learned but the Damage is Irreversible. and (if you have a lot of time), 8-bit theater.
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Jul 20, 2016 04:21
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Wittgen posted:Great finished comics? I would recommend Kid Radd, Rice Boy, A Lesson is Learned but the Damage is Irreversible. and (if you have a lot of time), 8-bit theater. Digger as well.
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Jul 20, 2016 04:25
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A.o.D. posted:How out of place they are kind of depends on your view of humans. If you see humans as Different from Animals on some level, this is very, very jarring. If you see humans as a different kind of animal, then this still probably isn't working so great for you. If you see humans as just another animal, then it might not be a big deal. i mean if you don't see humans as different from animals on some fundamental, instinctive level, you've got severe cognitive disabilities that probably bar you from being able to understand or enjoy character-driven stories in the first place.
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Jul 20, 2016 04:42
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Wittgen posted:Great finished comics? I would recommend Kid Radd, Rice Boy, A Lesson is Learned but the Damage is Irreversible. and (if you have a lot of time), 8-bit theater. Problem Sleuth too.
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Jul 20, 2016 04:47
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Rice Boy and Order of Tales are both super high quality finished comics. I liked Darken too, but it's pretty janky at the start. It improves a lot a long the way though. John Allison sort of "finished" Bobbins/Scary Go Round/Bad Machinery but he never finishes them so much as he gets bored and shelves them to focus on other characters in his massive shared universe.
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Jul 20, 2016 05:04
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neogeo0823 posted:Just so we're clear, you guys do remember that the humans appearing in the comic thing was one of the bits of the April Fools comic, right? And there's already a proven thing where some stuff in those comics actually comes true. Granted, humans are very out of place in this setting as a rule, but I guess I can live with having 1 or a couple or whatever as the general attendants to god. It'd be especially hilarious if this whole universe turned out to be like some weird altered reality where the gods are just house cats, the attendants are the cat owners, and all other animals are just wild animals roaming around the neighborhood. Ahahaha and the little title over that piece of April Fools Joke is "Pay no attention to that (hu)man behind the curtain" and we find a human behind the Veil of Ignorance Morbi you delightfully trolly bastard 
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Jul 20, 2016 05:15
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I think the current art in Poppy is very good and I will fuckin' cut anyone who disagrees
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Jul 20, 2016 05:28
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Grognan posted:
Humans are the top dogs in the Hairless Dogma. "Maybe she's born with it, maybe it's mankind."
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Jul 20, 2016 06:10
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FlyinPingu posted:I think the current art in Poppy is very good and I will fuckin' cut anyone who disagrees I admit saying I liked the old art in Poppy is like saying I preferred my Aston Martin to my Bentley.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:12
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:i mean if you don't see humans as different from animals on some fundamental, instinctive level, you've got severe cognitive disabilities that probably bar you from being able to understand or enjoy character-driven stories in the first place. whatever Noam Chomsky
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Jul 20, 2016 06:38
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Wittgen posted:Great finished comics? I would recommend Kid Radd, Rice Boy, A Lesson is Learned but the Damage is Irreversible. and (if you have a lot of time), 8-bit theater. Spacetrawler!
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Jul 20, 2016 07:28
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Burkion posted:We already have Chimps and Gorillas. That's not how evolution works! We are exactly as evolved as apes and gorillas because we coexist with them. You could say we're more evolved than like australopithecus because they were supplanted completely by humans. This is all assuming that being more or less evolved than anything makes any sense at all.
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Jul 20, 2016 08:03
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Wittgen posted:Great finished comics? I would recommend Kid Radd, Rice Boy, A Lesson is Learned but the Damage is Irreversible. and (if you have a lot of time), 8-bit theater. Dominic Deegan.
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Jul 20, 2016 08:18
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Begemot posted:That's not how evolution works! We are exactly as evolved as apes and gorillas because we coexist with them. You could say we're more evolved than like australopithecus because they were supplanted completely by humans. This is all assuming that being more or less evolved than anything makes any sense at all. Ah but evolution is defined as change over time, so coexistence is insufficient, since several species (crocodiles, turtles, ants) don't really change much.
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Jul 20, 2016 08:24
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Tunicate posted:Ah but evolution is defined as change over time, so coexistence is insufficient, since several species (crocodiles, turtles, ants) don't really change much. One could argue that a species that doesn't need to change much simply did a very good job at evolving before everyone else. Coincidentally, opossums have barely changed in 65 million+ years.
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Jul 20, 2016 08:34
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That makes me think of some weird version of Phrenology that proves opossum's aren't people in Poppy's world because they haven't changed/evolved.
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Jul 20, 2016 08:52
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the most evolved lifeform on earth is undoubtedly some strain of bacteria or other microorganism 
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Jul 20, 2016 08:57
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Tollymain posted:the most evolved lifeform on earth is undoubtedly some strain of bacteria or other microorganism In recent history, uou could make an argument for HeLa cells, just because there's a big change in how they operate that took place over a very short time. But that's sorta cheating.
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Jul 20, 2016 09:13
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Tunicate posted:Ah but evolution is defined as change over time, so coexistence is insufficient, since several species (crocodiles, turtles, ants) don't really change much. But crocodiles have evolved just as much, they were shaped environmental pressures just like apes or birds or bacteria. Unless you mean evolved more as in literally the number of changes, then it gets really tricky because how do you differentiate between ancestors? The statement that humans are more evolved versions of australopithecus is just as valid as saying that they are more evolved versions of some hundred million year old single-celled organism. Crocodiles have kept the same basic body plan over millions of years, but ancient crocodiles are not the same species as modern ones. They were bigger or smaller based on environmental pressures. A crocodile that ate dinosaurs is gonna be bigger than one that eats water buffalo. Evolution is not a linear process leading from somewhere to somewhere else. Humans may be able to walk upright and speak languages, but we also have lovely throats that get clogged super easily and lovely pelvis' (pelvi?) that often break when we try to give birth. It just so happens that the advantages of being able to communicate and walk long distances outweigh those disadvantages on average. Every species that still exists is by definition the most evolved in history because life on earth started all at once*. They've all gone through the same history, they just ended up at different places. *probably? It seems unlikely that there were multiple coexisting events that created the first organisms we would consider "living" on different parts of the planet, and that both were able to stick around. But it's hard to make a definitive statement on that.
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Jul 20, 2016 09:18
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Hogge Wild posted:Dominic Deegan. mods??
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:i mean if you don't see humans as different from animals on some fundamental, instinctive level, you've got severe cognitive disabilities that probably bar you from being able to understand or enjoy character-driven stories in the first place. I can't imagine why you'd believe this to be the case. Burkion posted:We already have Chimps and Gorillas. Humans aren't more evolved. They're simply evolved to specialize in different things than chimpanzees and gorillas. Morbi posted:One could argue that a species that doesn't need to change much simply did a very good job at evolving before everyone else. Somewhere, a horseshoe crab is being very, very smug. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 20, 2016 11:32
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Begemot posted:pelvis' (pelvi?)  Pelves, if you want the Latin plural. The -i plural is only for some -us singular, e.g. alumnus -> alumni. Definitely not all -us singular, e.g. corpus -> corpora, or octopus -> octopodes, or even virus -> virus.It's generally better to just go with the regular English plural (pelvises), though there are some cases, mostly in academia jargon, where they don't exist (no English plural for alumnus or corpus, for example).
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Jul 20, 2016 11:40
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Carrasco posted:mods?? homestuck if you've got a spare evening
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Jul 20, 2016 11:41
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Cat Mattress posted:
the plural of pelvis is presley
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Jul 20, 2016 11:42
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Tollymain posted:homestuck if you've got a spare evening Just lol if you think you can read more words than War & Peace and the Bible put together in one evening
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Jul 20, 2016 12:12
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You can maybe read Problem Sleuth in one evening if you really put your mind to it, but Homestuck requires a week long time investment.
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Jul 20, 2016 13:33
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Carrasco posted:This just reminds me of one of my favorite parts of Sandman: I know this is from the last page, but I always wondered where Xavier: Renegade Angel got the idea from. But I suppose it's a very old idea.
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Jul 20, 2016 13:52
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So, In Sword Interval today, uh this is kinda like some nightmares I've had. Also, the author seems to be playing out the story of The S M I L I N G M A N in its entirety, for anyone here who's been playing SS13 for a while. EDIT: drat, you need archives to get to the actual post, but someone quoted it, so you'll just have to live without the pictures. OrangeSoda posted:I remember this round, it was incredibly fun. neogeo0823 fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 20, 2016 14:30
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Do not read Homestuck unless you're feeling masochistic, it's a Ramayana of labyrinthine bullshit that ends with a whimper, not a bang. A Redtail's Dream is a pretty decent finished work. Lovely art.
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I've already read through 8 bit theater, Digger, problem sleuth, and sort-of homestuck. It was the first and best sprite comic as far as I can tell, had a wonderful monochromatic art style/setting/writing to give that mythical feel, was highly whimsical, and was not nearly as good as it's predecessor and REALLY needed an editor so badly I just skipped to the end at the start of the second troll set and was really not satisfied by the ending. Respectively and seperated by commas. Will be checking out Kid Radd, Rice Boy, Spacetrawler, and Starslip Crisis on the thread's recommendations. I will very pointedly NOT be checking out Dominic Deegan.  And on further reflection, eh, last two updates have put Poppy at a distinct "C" level for me. They're just too out of left field and are making me  too hard. I'll probably check back in to Poppy later.
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Tunicate posted:Ah but evolution is defined as change over time, so coexistence is insufficient, since several species (crocodiles, turtles, ants) don't really change much. Ants are extremely evolved and different types are specialized for all sorts of environments, not to mention the whole "invented agriculture" thing.
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Jul 20, 2016 15:32
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Contemporary species are always equally evolved, the most fitting term you're looking for is more or less derived. That is, possessing more or fewer derived characteristics (a product of evolutionary change).
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Jul 20, 2016 16:08
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Humans have evolved to do things like wear clothes, live in groups, use complex abstract language, use tools, have opposable thumbs, and walk upright. So in a world where all the animals do that in addition to whatever their animal biology gives them, humanity seems superfluous. And then you've got things like dogs and sheep around that were defined by being domesticated by humans, so when you actually have to consider humans as living in tandem as an equal to these creatures, it raises a lot of questions (although to be honest, not many more questions than the prospect of alligators living in harmony with goats). For comparison, there's a human in Kevin & Kell right now, and the approach that comic takes is that the human somehow is gifted with the ability to outsmart all the animal people despite its apparent lack of language. All these worldbuilding details are mainly ancillary, but so long as they're there, it's interesting to poke at them.
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fritz posted:Ants are extremely evolved and different types are specialized for all sorts of environments, not to mention the whole "invented agriculture" thing. And they've been doing that essentially unchanged for a *very* long time. Its a winning strategy so they don't have any selection pressure to do anything different. The real question, tho, is whether poppy goes full DF and has giant sponge men running around.
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Personally, it's really interesting to me to think of humans as being just kind of there mixed in with everyone else. I feel like the way this would usually be done would have humans set apart from the animal people--not necessarily better or worse, but not part of the same group. I'm not entirely sure what it is that Poppy does that sells that aspect so well to me--possibly it's the fact that this is the only human we've ever seen--but the fact that Lila happens to be a human feels about as significant in-universe as the fact that the gatekeeper was a seal. I really dig it.
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Also, honestly, even if everyone was on the same basic intelligence level, humanity isn't as pathetic as a lot of people like to make us out to be. There's a reason why the way we used to hunt was by running our prey to death. We're amazing endurance machines in ways other animals never had to be.
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Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:I will very pointedly NOT be checking out Dominic Deegan. You really should, it's an invaluable part of webcomic heritage. I'm not being ironic.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Personally, it's really interesting to me to think of humans as being just kind of there mixed in with everyone else. I feel like the way this would usually be done would have humans set apart from the animal people--not necessarily better or worse, but not part of the same group. I'm not entirely sure what it is that Poppy does that sells that aspect so well to me--possibly it's the fact that this is the only human we've ever seen--but the fact that Lila happens to be a human feels about as significant in-universe as the fact that the gatekeeper was a seal. I really dig it. it's sort of like taking a cartoon - yeah, they're all drawings but you can intuitively accept that they're meant to represent living things and physical places - and then sticking a photographed actor in it, Who Framed Roger Rabbit-style. Suddenly the goofy celshaded critterfolk ain't just people anymore, they're all weird and inhuman, and it's gonna be super weird if you don't account for why they're different from real people somehow. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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