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Mega64 posted:
Here's the thing that bugs me - they have regular boats, so why has no one ever sailed to a different continent before?
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Jul 20, 2016 13:21
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Lynx posted:Here's the thing that bugs me - they have regular boats, so why has no one ever sailed to a different continent before? It's uh, literally an ocean away. Travelling from Alexandria to Lindblum is one thing but another continent is pretty different. The advance of airship technology also means less reliance on boats, so there's probably been less advancement on that - Lindblum is pretty much full on research into airships at the moment. Lindblum and Alexandria aren't even on the north side of the continent, so planning a voyage would mean going around the Mist Continent, stretching the journey even longer.
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Jul 20, 2016 14:10
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Also, thar be literal monsters.
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Jul 20, 2016 15:11
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ApplesandOranges posted:It's uh, literally an ocean away. Travelling from Alexandria to Lindblum is one thing but another continent is pretty different. The advance of airship technology also means less reliance on boats, so there's probably been less advancement on that - Lindblum is pretty much full on research into airships at the moment. Sure, but Cid just told our heroes to cross it (presumably) on foot using an excavation site, so the ocean can't be that big. It's not a huge deal, but it feels like they could have addressed why no one has ever traveled to other continents with some quick throwaway dialogue. Or maybe they did and I just missed it.
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Jul 20, 2016 15:16
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the fact that it's called the mist continent probably means there's a lot of mist near the continent, which'd make sailing next to impossible. even if you get out, you'd ram yourself into some rocks on the return trip. basically, sailing out is difficult for the exact opposite reason that it's hard for airships
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Jul 20, 2016 16:09
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Endorph posted:the fact that it's called the mist continent probably means there's a lot of mist near the continent, which'd make sailing next to impossible. even if you get out, you'd ram yourself into some rocks on the return trip. Nah mist is the magical stuff in the air. Free floating mana. The concept is also used in the Ivalice games but there heavy mist actually stops airships rather than fuels them.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:13
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Being a magical power source doesn't stop it from obscuring your view if you're not consuming it as you pass through it, you can see it on the world map. And from dialogue in the Evil Forest we know it's also unsafe to be in. I could see it being an obstacle.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:16
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The design of the next dungeon kiiiinda addresses the issue of crossing continents on foot. More on that two updates from now, though.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:18
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Note also that most people on the Mist Continent live way ABOVE the mist, on mountains and cliffs. The one notable exception is Burmecia, which has the eternal rain thing going on that kinda makes mist difficult.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:18
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I remember I played this game right after Legend of Legaia and I remember being absolutely horrified when I saw the Mist the first time.EponymousMrYar posted:Even while Zidane is relegated to the cheerleader role, he actually does cheerleading and is proactive in his aid of Dagger and Vivi. I'll get into it later, probably closer to the end so I don't have to worry about spoilers.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:30
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Lynx posted:Here's the thing that bugs me - they have regular boats, so why has no one ever sailed to a different continent before? They probably have, because they're aware of the other continents (hence why this one is named The Outer Continent). It's just that the other continents have not been thoroughly explored/mapped. And they're probably too inconvenient to travel to for what they have to offer, so there's been no great incentive to set up regular travel routes or invest in exploration.
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Jul 20, 2016 17:10
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I would say that sailing to an unexplored continent would be an incredibly dangerous proposition, but this is an RPG so the "continent" is actually like 100 yards away.
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Jul 20, 2016 17:43
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Pureauthor posted:Note also that most people on the Mist Continent live way ABOVE the mist, on mountains and cliffs. And the Qu, of course.
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Jul 20, 2016 17:48
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Fister Roboto posted:I would say that sailing to an unexplored continent would be an incredibly dangerous proposition, but this is an RPG so the "continent" is actually like 100 yards away. Ignoring the fact that gameplay mechanics =/= real-life mechanics (the world is a square after all) I believe there was a geographic reason why you dont often go to the other continent
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Jul 20, 2016 18:03
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ApplesandOranges posted:Lindblum and Alexandria aren't even on the north side of the continent, so planning a voyage would mean going around the Mist Continent, stretching the journey even longer. Gaia is a torus 
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Jul 20, 2016 18:20
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Vaan's purpose was to ground Ashe and tone down her lust of revenge, both of them having experienced loss in the invasion of Rabanastre. Otherwise she would have nuked Archadia and completely went with the occuria's plans.
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Jul 20, 2016 20:17
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Nihilarian posted:I still think Vaan should have been a moogle, no other change
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Jul 20, 2016 23:25
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Nihilarian posted:I still think Vaan should have been a moogle, no other change 
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Jul 21, 2016 00:20
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I'm not sure I want to see a Moogle with spray-on abs.
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Jul 21, 2016 01:20
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They wouldn't be spray on, they'd be marker abs. Still
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Jul 21, 2016 01:43
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FF's have gotten less racially diverse in the later games. After FF9 you may get one token character of a different race, but even with only six of our eight characters so far we have a black mage, a rat dragoon, and a Qu, plus Zidane has a tail so he's maybe a halfsie or something? Then again FF7 only had one non-human too depending on how you count Cait Sith, FF4 1.5 people since Cecil is half moon-man, and FF6 only had two. Plus all the other games besides FF12 had a couple different races at most, usually summons or dwarves or whatever. FF9 has delivery moogles who suck so bad at their job we have to do it for them, a kingdom of rat people, a race of gluttons that live in swamps, weird black mage golems who may or may not be sentient, and all the weird animal people in the big cities. And we're still only halfway through Disc 2 and haven't explored the weirdo continents yet. It's pretty crazy how diverse FF9 is, really.
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Jul 21, 2016 02:11
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The worst part of FF's cast being five humans and a human with bunny ears, is that the world is theoretically supposed to be diverse? You'll run into tiny flying bunny people running chocobos rental services, Vaan's employer at the beginning is a pig dude, the bounty hunters after Balthier's head are all lizard people and I dont even know what the gently caress was going on with the weird masked deer-bird people? And almost all of the important people in the world end up being human too, I think
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Jul 21, 2016 02:42
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Spira has a bunch of races, and only one party member isn't human.
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Jul 21, 2016 02:44
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FF12 gives you five humes and a viera, in the Ivalice setting from FFTA where having a bunch of playable races was one of the big draws.
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Jul 21, 2016 02:52
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Spira has a bunch of races, and only one party member isn't human. Are you technically human if you're only a dream?
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Jul 21, 2016 03:01
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Al Bhed aren't human. Yevon told me they're less than
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Jul 21, 2016 03:08
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The X party needed at least one or two hypellos. Like Lulu could've easily been a sexy hypello.
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Jul 21, 2016 03:29
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Schwartzcough posted:The X party needed at least one or two hypellos. Like Lulu could've easily been a sexy hypello. Imposhibible! FF9's take on diversity is really well done though. Like, there's tons of animal people walking around, doing business and no one bats an eye at all.
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Jul 21, 2016 03:32
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Cast diversity is one of the reasons I loved the Breath of Fire games. 5 games in the series and there's maybe ONE playable character that's fully human (Karn the thief from the original). Everyone else is dragon-people, bird-people, dog-people, tiger-people, fox-people, bull-people, and living mutant onions. And more!
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Jul 21, 2016 04:58
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Mega64 posted:FF's have gotten less racially diverse in the later games. After FF9 you may get one token character of a different race, but even with only six of our eight characters so far we have a black mage, a rat dragoon, and a Qu, plus Zidane has a tail so he's maybe a halfsie or something? FFIX probably has the least amount of playable human characters in any FF game. Spoilers to say what that number is right now though.
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Jul 21, 2016 09:22
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:FF12 gives you five humes and a viera, in the Ivalice setting from FFTA where having a bunch of playable races was one of the big draws. Balthier shouldve been a moogle. Basch should've been bangaa. (Even though they both have the most reasons to be hume what with the empire's Hume supremacy doctrine.) Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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Jul 21, 2016 11:05
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I was more annoyed with Seeqs not only being a new thing out of loving nowhere, but taking over one of the Major Race spots from the Nu Mou. Seriously Nu Mou were cool and Seeqs are just fatter Bangaa what the hell is the point of that.
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Jul 21, 2016 14:05
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MythLisp posted:FFIX probably has the least amount of playable human characters in any FF game. Spoilers to say what that number is right now though. FF13-2 has one playable human, due to having one playable character. We'd have to get into completely nonhuman casts in spinoffs to beat that.
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Jul 21, 2016 14:13
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Humans are pretty good. Don't throw in a rabbit lady just for the sake of having a rabbit lady.
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Jul 21, 2016 14:17
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Jay Rust posted:Humans are pretty good. Don't throw in a rabbit lady just for the sake of having a rabbit lady. Its more like having 32 flavors of ice cream in your world and you unflinchingly go for the vanilla every time. Maybe sometimes they make a mistake and you get french vanilla and not notice but it's still vanilla.
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Jul 21, 2016 17:12
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I've got the same problem with Star Wars, where you have a poo poo-ton of alien races but it's all about the humans.
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Jul 21, 2016 17:44
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Maybe sometimes they make a mistake and you get french vanilla and not notice but it's still vanilla. and then you start questioning why do they have two kinds of vanilla its stupid. French is better than non french any day.
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Jul 21, 2016 18:11
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MonsieurChoc posted:I've got the same problem with Star Wars, where you have a poo poo-ton of alien races but it's all about the humans. the rebellion is a bunch of racists
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Jul 21, 2016 18:13
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It's sad that vanilla has come to mean "bland and plain" when it is just as delicious as any other flavour
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Jul 21, 2016 18:15
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Endorph posted:chewie didn't even get a medal Neither did Wedge, and he fought the whole thing and didn't just showboat in at the end.
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Jul 21, 2016 18:35
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