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FreudianSlippers posted:Hit them hard just above the knee when they leave their legs exposed. If you hit the peroneal nerve just right It hurts quite a bit for several minutes and and will cause them to fall over but it is very unlikely to do any permanent damage. If it's available, whack them right behind the thumb on the radial side. It doesn't hurt too bad, but the hand is useless for a few minutes. You even do it with your hand in a blade shape. I can attest to the peroneal nerve deal. I got kicked there once playing soccer and I was out of the game for about 10 minutes. My leg just wouldn't work. No lasting damage though. As said above, that's why cops use that method.
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i don't want to like, hurt people hurt people. just make them know they've been beaten.
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Jul 19, 2016 19:20
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HEY GAL posted:i don't want to like, hurt people hurt people. just make them know they've been beaten. Are you sure, that you don't want to switch to something like competitive dancing? I don't know, dance offs, or however this is called?
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Jul 19, 2016 19:35
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deliberately hitting a dude in a pressure point to gently caress up his legs might be against the rules of some organizations/places
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Jul 19, 2016 19:49
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HEY GAL posted:deliberately hitting a dude in a pressure point to gently caress up his legs might be against the rules of some organizations/places just do it once, then.
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Jul 19, 2016 19:55
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Do it the way your dudes would want you to: drunk and without remorse for civilian lives.
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Jul 19, 2016 21:05
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please do not brutally abuse shitters exposed vulnerable points for the intent of causing harm you fuckin retards. if they cant actually fence just parry and riposte or use one of the dozens (hundreds?) of techniques that various historical masters espouse. goddamn goons
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curious lump posted:please do not brutally abuse shitters exposed vulnerable points for the intent of causing harm you fuckin retards. if they cant actually fence just parry and riposte or use one of the dozens (hundreds?) of techniques that various historical masters espouse. goddamn goons The fact that it's a play fight makes that a bit pointless. They don't lose anything so there's no reason to stop it or get better.
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Jul 19, 2016 23:50
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I'm not even a fencer but--if someone keeps doing silly stuff like spinning, and you actually want to teach them not to do that, clowning them by just moving forward and knocking them down, or a simple touch, seems like it would get the point across better than Medieval German Aikido Charlie Horse techniques.
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Jul 20, 2016 00:00
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Above the knee isn't anything more than painful and embarrassing, and more the latter than the former. Basically you go down like you've been shot and have a muscle ache like you worked that bit out hard the day before. I've taken hockey pucks to that bit repeatedly and it's not a big deal once the leg comes back.
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Jul 20, 2016 00:01
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Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:The fact that it's a play fight makes that a bit pointless. They don't lose anything so there's no reason to stop it or get better. Just punk them in the head or chest when they do sometthing stupid and explain why what they were doingg led to that.
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Hogge Wild posted:
Accepting/declining the status of knighthood is kind of a gamble: when you're on active service you are entitled to higher daily pay and-more importantly- a better share of any looted goods. (During the Hundred Years War, plundering is so prolific that it was actually the bulk of the average knight's compensation- both in goods and ransoms, which became exorbitant) On the other hand, the "overhead" of equipment and mandatory service is higher. Gonna depend on your individual circumstances really. As for how easy it is to lapse out of knighthood...I just don't have any good sources on that. I think in practical terms it would probably come down to how you came equipped (or unequipped) when you were actually called up. Everyone gathers for a muster and sir-whatever shows up in inadequate gear? Welp, mark him off the list of people making a knight's daily pay. Interestingly, you could become a knight banneret (entitled to higher pay and the privilege of flying a personal standard in battle) just by getting your immediate superior's go-ahead, based on your word that you had a certain yearly income. Then you would break out your banner and everyone would recognize you had gone up a rung on the ladder. Given that there's pretty minimal record-keeping and a very primitive bureaucracy, (In France at least, those English pedants wrote down everything) I imagine all of this was pretty easy to fudge. And heavily reliant on the value of a knight's word.
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As someone who doesn't do re-enactments, I can't tell how much of this "strike them in a pressure point with a weapon" advice is a joke On a scale of WWE to UFC, how real is the violence at these things? I thought it was supposed to be fun
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Russians invented the Battle of the Nations because there wasn't enough violence in regular re-enactment. Also don't advise people to hit other people "near" their unprotected joints you fucks, Christ.  If they're hopping around, just herd them into a moat or something.
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i'm not going to actually injure anyone, i just want to beat them at sword edit: so some dude was trying to wrestle with me, he kept trying to pick me up and i kept planting my legs and shifting my weight lower, then he grabbed my upper thigh, (presumably) felt no dick, and backed off instantly, "sorry, sorry." bitch get back here, we were fighting! 
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Jul 20, 2016 11:42
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Wrestling. Riiiiiight.
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Jul 20, 2016 12:15
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who was it who posted the extremely porny medieval wrestling picture
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HEY GAL posted:who was it who posted the extremely porny medieval wrestling picture Mea culpa! 
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"I want to show people that they're swording bad" "have you considered becoming sword batman"
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IronicDongz posted:"I want to show people that they're swording bad" I fail to see the issue.
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Man, who even checks for a penis while they're in the middle of wrestling, that's real weird.
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He was just mad he didn't get to grab a dick
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SlothfulCobra posted:Man, who even checks for a penis while they're in the middle of wrestling, that's real weird. it's just everyone knows women are pale gentle flowers who'll die if they see someone get mad so it was for my own safety
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Siivola posted:Russians invented the Battle of the Nations because there wasn't enough violence in regular re-enactment. Unless you have a actually sharp blade doing a peroneal strike isn't going to cause any lasting damage. It hurts and makes the leg basically useless for a few minutes but after that it should be fine. It's basically the safest and friendliest way of hurting someone aside from hurting their feelings. Which might actually be a better approach. Just call them names and make fun of their twirling and nobody needs to get hurt. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 20, 2016 19:37
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I keep reading that as "perineum" and getting really uncomfortable
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FreudianSlippers posted:Unless you have a actually sharp blade doing a peroneal strike isn't going to cause any lasting damage. It hurts and makes the leg basically useless for a few minutes but after that it should be fine. It's basically the safest and friendliest way of hurting someone aside from hurting their feelings. what if you miss
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Maybe I'm just a wuss about it, but hitting anywhere near the knee is an immediate  for me. It's all fun and games until someone misplaces their patella.
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how do I make pretend war violent, but not too violent?
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By requiring people to armour up and prohibiting particularly dangerous stuff like big throws and thrusting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdkZBrxqIho
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I have managed to hurt my knee (again). I'd advise against doing anything to knees, just batter their arms until they can't hold a sword. Knee got whacked a few times below the cap, so it bruises. I do some running, it starts to hurt. I do a long lunge and now OT hurts a bit when it does anything.
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What did the soldiers in knights' lances do during peace time? For how long did the knights have to do castle ward each year?
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Hogge Wild posted:What did the soldiers in knights' lances do during peace time? This is one of those questions that's hard to answer because the social class of soldiers is so flexible throughout the medieval era. I mostly read about the Hundred Years War, at which time the answer to what professional soldiers do i their off-time is typically either "sit in a castle because the English are still laying siege to us, as usual", or "pillage the countryside". The rise of increasingly professional soldiers also meant that there were large groups of people with weapons and without the traditional social ties of the knightly class to keep them occupied. That is to say, when knighthood was more closely tied to aristocracy, there was an expectation that you would spend much of your time overseeing the laborers tied to your land, maybe holding court or dealing with small-time criminal justice matters if you were of some importance in your locality- but the English, French, Bretons, Navarese, Castilians etc who fought in the HYW frequently found themselves demobilized, either seasonally, or because of a truce (which in the context of a 100+ year conflict could be extremely long), or because the person who paid the bills and gave the orders was dead/captured/switched sides/got fussy and went home. These soldiers would then establish themselves as a semi-permanent presence in the countryside, acting as highwaymen/extortionists/bandits. On the other hand, some men-at-arms demobilized much more gracefully and essentially just went back to living the life that a person of their rank (ranging from small landholder up to count, duke etc) could pay for. I get the sense that outside of urban militias, most soldiers weren't returning to trades, but rather just living off the proceeds of their military occupations. Arranging marriages for their kids, buying/selling tracts of lands, scheming to inherit their relatives' possessions, having poor people cook their meals and general rich people schmoozing. (adjust for the richness/poorness of the man-at-arms in question.) Unfortunately, the answer for how much of the year you spend in a castle is highly dependent on time/place as well. Different states have different laws regarding mandatory service and most of those laws have loopholes, such as a scutage or "shield fee" to simply not show up. I think castle service is most often measured in months (3-6 sounds like a reasonable average) but again that figure is going to depend on who your liege lord is, how good he is at enforcing his authority and whether you can pay to get out of it. Of course, if it's the late middle ages and you're wealthy enough to own a castle that happens to double as your living quarters, then I imagine that sitting for 3 months on "guard duty" would probably be a pretty welcome way to spend your time.
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I've had questions in my head for a while about bandits and what they are in an actual historical setting, but I've been having a hard time figuring out how to phrase them. Free-floating groups of bandits are a fixture in fiction, especially in medieval settings, but I can't really wrap my head around them. Where do they come from? I hear things about out of work soldiers and how the scandinavians did it as some kind of hobby/vacation and get together in a roving band to wreak havoc in Europe independently of the actual Scandinavian conquests going on at the time, but I also read things about little communities hiding away like a bunch of muslims setting up shop in one of northern Italy's mountain passes to harass travelers or sallying forth to raid and such. Do entire communities just sometimes up and lift anchor to wander off somewhere to become bandits? I get that especially in a pre-nation-state world where borders aren't strictly maintained there can be entirely undocumented groups roving around in lands that are ostensibly somebody's dominion, but settling down? How does that work? What do they eat? I get that they're supposed to be sustained by their banditry, but it feels like stealing all that food would be a lot of work, and very quickly draw attention from authorities. Sure if they get loot they could theoretically translate that into food, but how do you liquidate that loot? Especially when any big merchants will be wary of the area because there's supposed to be bandits out there. I get really caught up on all these things because I'm always wondering about the economics of these situations, and the idea of bandits just seems really unfeasible to me. Like there's this whole built up idea about criminals in the wild west, but as I understand it, the stories are all overblown because rural towns in the middle of nowhere without business to bring money or supplies in just can't sustain lots of criminal activity. How well could bandits do when they're not under employ as soldiers?
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Hazzard posted:I have managed to hurt my knee (again). I'd advise against doing anything to knees, just batter their arms until they can't hold a sword.
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VoteTedJameson posted:the person who paid the bills and gave the orders was dead/captured/switched sides/got fussy and went home. These soldiers would then establish themselves as a semi-permanent presence in the countryside, acting as highwaymen/extortionists/bandits.  SlothfulCobra posted:bandits ...Where do they come from? quote:What do they eat? I get that they're supposed to be sustained by their banditry, but it feels like stealing all that food would be a lot of work, and very quickly draw attention from authorities.
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Hazzard posted:I have managed to hurt my knee (again). I'd advise against doing anything to knees, just batter their arms until they can't hold a sword. I had this pain below the kneecap for over a year, and it only got better when I took a longer pause. Lunges and sudden direction changes are really hard on the knees. A knee bandage helped and better warming up.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I get that they're supposed to be sustained by their banditry, but it feels like stealing all that food would be a lot of work, and very quickly draw attention from authorities. Remember: this is a world without cops. The authorities knowing about bandits on the average doesn't mean squat unless they want to make the effort to get soldiers to wash them out.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Remember: this is a world without cops. The authorities knowing about bandits on the average doesn't mean squat unless they want to make the effort to get soldiers to wash them out. 
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Yep. A lot of times getting extorted by bandits is preferable to getting extorted by bandits and soldiers. There are full time career bandits, but there are also plenty of part timers who will disguise their face and raid another village's crops at harvest time. For the village it's kind of better to have them on the inside pissing out, as it were. As far as your exit strategy, if you have a bunch of armed and cantankerous dudes, the government can either spend a lot of money to raise troops and exterminate the bandits, or can spend a lot less money on a deal where the bandits become the troops. So there's a lot of movement back and forth on different sides of the law. This is all talking about China, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were similar dynamics in the more lawless parts of Europe.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I've had questions in my head for a while about bandits and what they are in an actual historical setting, but I've been having a hard time figuring out how to phrase them. Free-floating groups of bandits are a fixture in fiction, especially in medieval settings, but I can't really wrap my head around them. The way I see banditry is as supplemental rather than a primary source of income. The Scandinavian who goes aviking is a farmer most of the time, and joins a raiding party. Another bandit in Southhampton might be an official sent by Henry III to put down bandits… Another might be a castle lord living on the Rhine who decides to charge a toll to travellers that the Holy Roman Emperor hasn't authorised him to do so (the robber barons as they were known). Outlaws living in the forest were a thing, although I've not come across any reliable information as to the type of community they have. I imagine a lot of what they eat would be what they could hunt or fish or grow in the local area, I'm not sure if I would use the word “farm” but if they had the opportunity to grow crops somewhere away from civilisation I'm sure they would. There were groups like the Coquillards, but I can't find much information on them. Arguably the Knights of St. John were pirates for much of their time in Rhodes or Malta, although they would not have seen themselves that way. They would have seen it as part of their war against the threat of the expanding Muslim empires to attack Muslim shipping and deal economic damage to the enemy. The Barbary Corsairs probably thought of themselves a similar way, seeing themselves as warriors fighting against Christian kingdoms. A lot of these have connections to somewhere that doesn't think of them as bandits or criminals. So they are a “bandit” to the people they are raiding, but a “brave warrior” to the people back home who they sell plunder to.
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