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blastron posted:The important takeaways from that list is that Mushoku Tensei is #1, Kumoko is #8, Re:Zero is #9... and Bookworm is #48 because these people have trash taste Is bookworm that good? I read the first few chapters but couldn't get into it.
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jon joe posted:Is bookworm that good? I read the first few chapters but couldn't get into it. Absolutely, unequivocally yes, but I might be biased since I'm the one translating it.
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blastron posted:Absolutely, unequivocally yes, but I might be biased since I'm the one translating it. Oh wait, I checked it out and it isn't what I was thinking, I haven't read this at all. Read the first chapter and you are correct, it is good!
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jon joe posted:Oh wait, I checked it out and it isn't what I was thinking, I haven't read this at all. Read the first chapter and you are correct, it is good!  . You might have mixed it up with Konjiki no Moji Tsukai which also has a book obsessed person but is also worse and more generic
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Ytlaya posted:Eh, I don't like Mushoku Tensei at all. Stuff like that Shield Hero or Arifureta WN are also rated highly but are really terrible. Heck, some novel with "Slave Harem" in the title is #5 on the list darkgray linked. The best thing I can say about Mushoku Tensei is that it seems to do a somewhat better job of employing most of the tropes you tend to see in the "reincarnated as an awesome dude who is really powerful and surrounded by beautiful women who all love him" genre. Generally speaking, due to the targeted audience, I find reader ratings/views to be a very poor measure of the quality of WNs. Mushoku Tensei is pretty horrid all around yeah. It has this thing where it bends over backward to justify the MC being a horrible human being and basically does all the "once the MC bag the woman she is irrelevant" thing that the genre loves to do, where all non-MC character agency only happens if he isn't there. I'm pretty sure it's so popular because people love having all the possible guilty pleasures of a MC being taken as the Greatest Quality Ever (o Worst Thing Ever, because when it comes down to it it's the same). Basically same reason Trump is so popular in some ways.
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blastron posted:Absolutely, unequivocally yes, but I might be biased since I'm the one translating it. The biggest issue with Bookworm is the lack of translated content. Hint hint. Nudge nudge. More more.
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blastron posted:The important takeaways from that list is that Mushoku Tensei is #1, Kumoko is #8, Re:Zero is #9... and Bookworm is #48 because these people have trash taste It's because the main character is a girl, and most WN readers can't really cope with a story where they can't mentally put themselves in the MC's shoes (and on the shoujo WN side of things, there isn't really any romance or hints of future romance to speak of yet). It's the same reason there are so many WN protagonists that are antisocial misanthropic assholes; most of the people reading them have the same type of personality, and they can easily imagine themselves behaving the same way. In that vein, the sheer amount of rage towards women the protagonist in Shield Hero has is frightening in terms of what it implies about the author and readers. Because this one woman hosed him over (in such an over the top way that it comes off like some MRA anecdote), the guy is henceforth filled with rage at the mere sight of women. And the story makes it seem like his reaction is a totally normal one, like any other person would also burn with endless hatred towards an entire demographic because a single member of that demographic hosed them over. If I recall correctly, the dude is so enraged that he literally has to restrain himself from physically lashing out at the slave girl he purchased (and I think his anger factors into why he was okay with buying a slave girl in the first place). I like what I've read/seen of Re:Zero so far, though. The way its plot seems to be structured (short, somewhat self-contained and independent story arcs bounded by the time leaping) is unique and interesting. The main character also seems like a pretty stand-up guy, unlike most WN/LN protagonists. Re:Zero is an LN, though, right? It seems like LNs are generally of higher quality than WNs.
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Ytlaya posted:It's because the main character is a girl, and most WN readers can't really cope with a story where they can't mentally put themselves in the MC's shoes (and on the shoujo WN side of things, there isn't really any romance or hints of future romance to speak of yet). It's the same reason there are so many WN protagonists that are antisocial misanthropic assholes; most of the people reading them have the same type of personality, and they can easily imagine themselves behaving the same way. Death March is my preferred dumb harem wn largely because the protagonist is not a misanthrope and is primarily concerned with wandering around eating every food
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Ytlaya posted:It's because the main character is a girl, and most WN readers can't really cope with a story where they can't mentally put themselves in the MC's shoes (and on the shoujo WN side of things, there isn't really any romance or hints of future romance to speak of yet). It's the same reason there are so many WN protagonists that are antisocial misanthropic assholes; most of the people reading them have the same type of personality, and they can easily imagine themselves behaving the same way. You're not making much sense here. #2 is Kenkyo, which has a female protagonist, and #8's Kumoko is again a female protagonist story. What do you mean by "shoujo WN side" anyway? Ytlaya posted:I like what I've read/seen of Re:Zero so far, though. The way its plot seems to be structured (short, somewhat self-contained and independent story arcs bounded by the time leaping) is unique and interesting. The main character also seems like a pretty stand-up guy, unlike most WN/LN protagonists. Re:Zero is an LN, though, right? It seems like LNs are generally of higher quality than WNs. This is making my brain bleed. First of all, R:Z is on #9 in the web novel ranking your post quotes because -- surprise -- it's a web novel. Much like everything else these days, it's been edited and published as a paper light novel after gaining web popularity. Second, R:Z was stuck around #50 up until the anime showed up to garner attention, mostly because the protagonist is one of the worst characters ever seen in a web novel. I don't mean poorly written, I mean like awful and irritating and annoying and selfish and stupid and obnoxious. Good luck, though.
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Ytlaya posted:It's because the main character is a girl, and most WN readers can't really cope with a story where they can't mentally put themselves in the MC's shoes (and on the shoujo WN side of things, there isn't really any romance or hints of future romance to speak of yet). It's the same reason there are so many WN protagonists that are antisocial misanthropic assholes; most of the people reading them have the same type of personality, and they can easily imagine themselves behaving the same way. It's worse than that, it's not that the readers have the same personality, it's that they wish they did. It's very bad-rear end, you see.
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darkgray posted:This is making my brain bleed. First of all, R:Z is on #9 in the web novel ranking your post quotes because -- surprise -- it's a web novel. Much like everything else these days, it's been edited and published as a paper light novel after gaining web popularity. Second, R:Z was stuck around #50 up until the anime showed up to garner attention, mostly because the protagonist is one of the worst characters ever seen in a web novel. I don't mean poorly written, I mean like awful and irritating and annoying and selfish and stupid and obnoxious. Good luck, though. On the other hand, unlike the usual WN MC, Subaru pays for it. Oh, how he pays for it.
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The Sandman posted:On the other hand, unlike the usual WN MC, Subaru pays for it. The series does not forgive its MC for major/minor transgressions, nor does it give any leeway or easy answers. Annointed fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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Re Zero is basically suffering porn, so it tries to have a protagonist just unlikable enough that you feel bad for him but still totally think he deserves it. It's not my cup of tea, but that's what it's going for.
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darkgray posted:You're not making much sense here. #2 is Kenkyo, which has a female protagonist, and #8's Kumoko is again a female protagonist story. What do you mean by "shoujo WN side" anyway? Kenkyo is basically a shoujo WN, so it's wish fulfillment for girls. I mentioned shoujo LNs because I'm aware that there are some highly ranked ones, but they generally fulfill the same wish fulfillment niche (which, again, isn't really bad in and of itself, though it is pretty remarkable how it applies to such a huge portion of WNs). The fact that literally every highly ranked WN isn't bad isn't really a defense of WN ranking not being a good measure of quality. And looks like I was wrong about Re:Zero; I googled it and noticed it said LN, but I didn't think of the possibility it was a WN adapted into an LN. I've just seen 9 episodes of the anime so far and haven't read any of the source material, so I just sort of assumed that the source material was also less like a fanfiction than the average WN. I don't really mind the protagonist much so far. He's obnoxious and I certainly wouldn't want to be around him in real life, but at least he seems different than most other male anime protagonists.
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Captain Bravo posted:The reason I was able to stomach it in MT was because of the family stuff. Arkeus posted:Mushoku Tensei is pretty horrid all around yeah. It has this thing where it bends over backward to justify the MC being a horrible human being and basically does all the "once the MC bag the woman she is irrelevant" thing that the genre loves to do, where all non-MC character agency only happens if he isn't there. I'd like to share my story on Mushoku Tensei: started with the manga adaption, (where the fact the main character is a pervert felt somewhat subdued), crossed over to reading the WN translation after the chapter where he becomes, uh, friends? sort of? with Eris, had a good wholesome time reading about adventures in the demon continent, until they bone (strike one), powered through magic school where he reunites with his elf girlfriend (ultimately strike two but didn't seem that bad at the time), and then he goes off and gets his dad killed but gets double married (strike three, I'm out). However, there's one shining moment in chapter 107, where he tries to console his sister who is shut up in her room and is filled with these doubts and memories of his own brother from his original life and it had this striking emotional impact to it. I'm not sure if it's actually good writing or if it's just something that resonated with me personally, though, so I've been hoping someone could weigh in on that. booksnake fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jul 22, 2016 |
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For those of you who got tired of the constant battles in ISSTH, in the latest arc Meng Hao has turned into a Scooby-doo villain in his pursuit of the Dao of Conning.
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Avulsion posted:For those of you who got tired of the constant battles in ISSTH, in the latest arc Meng Hao has turned into a Scooby-doo villain in his pursuit of the Dao of Conning. It will be glorious
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SerSpook posted:It will be glorious It ended quickly but it truly was glorious. He was starting to feel that he might have taken things a bit too far…
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Next chapter in Kenkyo Kenjitsu is the start of the High School arc.
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To be more exact, the translation's finally caught up to the teaser from way back. It'll be a couple of chapters before we reach new content again.
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http://www.novelupdates.com/series/most-wicked-harem-slave-master/ Genre: Comedy
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This is gonna be one wacky rapeventure guys.
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I spent a couple days burning through Mother of Learning, but I'm kind of confused about how it just stops halfway through. Am I misunderstanding something? From what I can tell, the last update was in 2011, when Chapter 56 was uploaded, and then that's it. It's a little frustrating, because I was really enjoying it and it seemed like the story was getting close to a climax.
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Yes. The latest update was last month and the next one should drop in the next few days. You can see the projected date of the next update in the author's profile, which you can get to by clicking on their name. The usual schedule is a chapter every two to three weeks. edit: Scratch that the newest chapter is only a few days old at most and the author bio lists the next one as arriving early august, I'd missed the newest update. Oo Koo fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Oh, I guess I was misreading something on the site, then. So the story is still in progress and being updated? Nice.
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Captain Bravo posted:Oh, I guess I was misreading something on the site, then. So the story is still in progress and being updated? Nice. The publication date on fictionpress is the date the story was first published or released. The updated date, which omits the year if it's this year, is the date you want to look at to see if something is dead. Speaking of fictionpress, I started reading A Hero's War which is another take on the person being summoned to a different world and then bumping up the technology level. I'm 30 chapters in and while it's pretty heavy on the exposition at times it scratches that itch I have without having slavery, rape, or a harem. So about as glowing a recommendation as anything in this thread can be given.
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Captain Bravo posted:Oh, I guess I was misreading something on the site, then. So the story is still in progress and being updated? Nice. Every 3 weeks like clockwork.
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MoL speculation: Zorian is going to pull a reverse Naruto and escape by stapling his soul to the primordial with a combination of the shifter ritual, using his mind magic to take over his new body, then using what he's learning about dimensionlism and blood magic along with his now huge life force to fuel a jail break. It also gets around interference from the guardian because he never has to try to trick it with his broken marker or try to convince it to desoul his real world body. This also conserves detail since it uses all the relevant magic laid out while keeping the climax a battle between the previously introduced antagonists instead of having a random murder beast turn up. Finally the author wrote Naruto fanfics before, narratively speaking, what else is he going to use a creature like a primordial for?
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Meng Hao's Dao of Promissory Notes
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Algid posted:MoL speculation: Zorian is going to pull a reverse Naruto and escape by stapling his soul to the primordial with a combination of the shifter ritual, using his mind magic to take over his new body, then using what he's learning about dimensionlism and blood magic along with his now huge life force to fuel a jail break. This is pretty similar to what I'm thinking, although I bet it's going to be a bit more roundabout. My conjecture is: 1) Zor and Zach will spend a few resets flying around collecting all the keys 2) They will return, triumphantly, only to discover there actually is no possible way for both of them to leave 3) In a moment of self-sacrifice, Zorian will force Zach to leave, since Zach is stronger than him and thus the person best-suited to taking down Red-Robe 4) Since there's still a Controller inside, the cycles will continue, and Zorian will mope/gently caress around for a bit 5) With 6 cycles left to go, Zorian will allow his most trusted friends and sister to cycle with him, using that setting the Guardian told them about. 6) Someone (probably Xvim) will realize that since the primordial is actually being summoned, despite being in it's own pocket dimension, that there is a way to access the outside world using it. 7) A desperate, hastily-cobbeled-together plan will form to bust everyone out using the primordial summoning 8) It will work, and everyone (Maybe just Zorian?) will appear (Or take over their normal bodies?) in the real world. 9) Zorian will once again take advantage of the fact that neither Zach nor Red Robe know he exists to quickly execute all of his best-case scenario plans. (Saving the aranea, saving the potion guy and the priest, loving over the necromancer, etc.) 10) During the final showdown between Zach and Red Robe, when Zach starts to lose, Zorian will show up and help a brother out. They win, everything is awesome, roll credits. Edit: Alternatively, since the primordial summoning gets rushed when the cultist's plans start to crumble, instead of 8-10, Zorian may just break into the primordial's pocket dimension and wait, then when the lich and red robe manage to successfully summon it despite Zach's best effort, he just blows out, reseals the dimension, and laughs at them like a motherfucker. Captain Bravo fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:Meng Hao's Dao of Promissory Notes He is cultivating karma you see
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booksnake posted:I'd like to share my story on Mushoku Tensei: started with the manga adaption, (where the fact the main character is a pervert felt somewhat subdued), crossed over to reading the WN translation after the chapter where he becomes, uh, friends? sort of? with Eris, had a good wholesome time reading about adventures in the demon continent, until they bone (strike one), powered through magic school where he reunites with his elf girlfriend (ultimately strike two but didn't seem that bad at the time), and then he goes off and gets his dad killed but gets double married (strike three, I'm out). From my experience, a lot of WNs start off kind of fun/interesting but quickly become bogged down as the MC inevitably becomes absurdly powerful and gets a giant harem. The pacing also becomes terrible, as most WNs seem intended to last an extremely long time (if not indefinitely), so you end up with very little (or painfully slow/gradual) progress being made towards any sort of overarching plot. Sevens was one of the worst cases of this; I actually really liked the core gimmick of the series, but I just couldn't deal with the harem stuff and the fact that he very quickly became vastly more powerful than almost every other character in the series. Just one or two of his ancestors' skills would have been enough to elevate him the vast majority of other people, but he had to get a whole bunch. It also felt like very little progress was being made towards the plot with his sister, and that the protagonist just kept getting involved in various sub-plots to add to his harem. I think that there's actually a large reader demand for ridiculously overpowered protagonists for some bizarre reason, though. I remember reading My Hero Academia around the tournament arc, and the comment section was full of people complaining about Deku not being a uber-powerful badass and about how shounen "never have strong protagonists(loving lol)". These people frequently refer to Saitama from One Punch Man as being an ideal protagonist because of how strong he is. When you realize the fact that these people are reading these things with the intention of them just being a power fantasy for the reader, it's just incredibly pathetic. Largepotato posted:http://www.novelupdates.com/series/most-wicked-harem-slave-master/ Goddess-chan
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Sevens tries to push that just having the protagonist be super OP isn't enough to take down an entire country, so there's a whole bunch of arcs where Lyle goes around gathering favors and political power. Though really, we all know it's just an excuse to make the harem bigger.
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Ytlaya posted:When you realize the fact that these people are reading these things with the intention of them just being a power fantasy for the reader, it's just incredibly pathetic. That's how they are written mostly.
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I've always read these things as looking into the writers perfect world where they are bad rear end as hell and everyone either loves them or gets their rear end kicked.
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Hmm, this looks like it could be interesting.Description posted:No matter how I see the Saint’s Recovery Magic, it’s a Deteriorated Version of Mine That actually sounds like it could be pretty funny, I wonder what the tags are? quote:Gore  quote:Harem  quote:Slave  Needless to say, it fires itself directly into the ground by chapter 3.
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