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Fulchrum posted:So, everyone is talking about Killer not endorsing Trump, but is it my imagination, or did that astronaut not endorse him either. She just gave a speech about why America's space program is great, a speech that could have been at either convention. NPR commented on it. Her prepared notes included an explicit endorsement, but she didn't say it.
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The Modern Leper posted:NPR commented on it. Her prepared notes included an explicit endorsement, but she didn't say it. I really want to think that her conscience got to her after seeing the White Power clown show and she just gave the speech as neutrally as possible so she could leave.
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Since Pat Buchanan’s speech at the RNC in 1992, I have awaited this election, prophesied its coming, and feel vindicated because this is the one where I think that the centripetal forces that have been putting strain on the GOP will finally tear it apart. Earlier in the year, I was gleefully saying my political Christmas present was coming and I was so looking forward to this convention. That was then, this is now. Seeing this has long since stopped being entertaining even in the “see, you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas” sense because the GOP did this to itself. Now it’s just uncomfortable, like watching someone who really thinks they can sing butcher the National Anthem and they have only gotten as far as ‘By the dawn’s early light…’ and you know there’s more to come because they can’t stop and everyone in the audience is antsy. It feels like that kind of awkward now. Every time I hear “lock her up” at the convention, I just cringe. When I think about Paul Manafort’s effort to help elect the pro-Putin Viktor Yanukovych in 2010, and they yelled “lock her up” in Ukraine, that’s exactly what they did. On trumped up political charges (ironically because she accepted, under duress, an unfair natural gas deal), Yanukovych threw former prime minister and his 2010 opponent, Yulia Tymoshenko, in prison. Politicians and presidents make serious ethical mistakes. Reagan/Bush 41 on Iran-Contra, Bush 43 on WMD intelligence/torture, Bill Clinton on perjury. But this? “Lock her up” might be the slogan of the 2016 GOP convention. It’s anything but conservative, anything but respect for the Constitution, anything but liberty. Wild. I almost wish Clinton would invite Tymoshenko to the DNC next week to show just what a threat Trumpismo presents. Maybe I’d expect this in Kiev, but America? It’s so tragic.
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Volcott posted:No one cares if an astronaut kisses the ring or not. It just stuck out to me because you could have stuck this speech at any location and it would fit just as well.
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Jul 21, 2016 13:23
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Really hoping this lead to the stupid "criminalizing policitics" canard to junked and we'll see President Clinton finally do some war crimes prosecutions.
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Platonicsolid posted:Really hoping this lead to the stupid "criminalizing policitics" canard to junked and we'll see President Clinton finally do some war crimes prosecutions.
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Svanja posted:Wasn't the USS Enterprise decommissioned or is scheduled to be? I giggle every time I hear about the Kitty Hawk. While we were in Guam we kept hearing they kept running into things and their morale was really bad. People called it the lovely Hawk. The Enterprise is being decommissioned and will be recommissioned as a new Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carrier when it launchs in the 2020s. The current aircraft carrier named Gerald R. Ford is the first of a line of 10 hyper-modern carriers the U.S. Navy is building; it replaces the Enterprise when it's commissioned in September of this year. The next Ford-class ship to launch will be the John F. Kennedy, which will replace the Nimitz (the carrier from The Final Countdown). If anything -- and I think that graphic points it out pretty clearly -- the U.S. Navy is more terrifyingly powerful now at any size than the rest of the world's navies combined. And these ridiculous new carriers are just going to make it easier to extend that power further. It's not ship numbers that matter any more, it's air power and the ability to strike when and wherever simultaneously. The U.S. can already do that. Soon they'll be able to do it even better. So bitching about the size of the navy is the same as it was when Obama took down Romney in embarrassing fashion in that debate -- nothing but more garbage and bullshit from the GOP. Same as it ever is. acejackson42 fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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So tonight's the night we get the most unhinged presidential candidate speech in history, correct? Because, man, I cant even begin to imagine what Trump is going to have to say after these last three nights of lunacy.
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acejackson42 posted:So tonight's the night we get the most unhinged presidential candidate speech in history, correct? Because, man, I cant even begin to imagine what Trump is going to have to say after these last three nights of lunacy. My guess is it'll be one of his more even-keeled speeches and pretty unremarkable compared to what's gone down the last three days. Setting expectations low.
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acejackson42 posted:So tonight's the night we get the most unhinged presidential candidate speech in history, correct? Because, man, I cant even begin to imagine what Trump is going to have to say after these last three nights of lunacy. i can't decide if i think that he will go off script tonight or if we'll have to wait for a genuinely unscripted interview in the coming days
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Oxxidation posted:My guess is it'll be one of his more even-keeled speeches and pretty unremarkable compared to what's gone down the last three days. Setting expectations low. That would be the smart thing to do, maybe give the thing a final air of respectability. But man, I could seriously see him just doing everything he possibly can to outdo Christie and Guliani and completely fire and brimstone the whole mess. Because he's Donald J. Trump, goddamit, and you people are going to feel it.
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Incidently, can't wait for the DNC and the inevitable GOPers sneering 'teleprompters' because LLLOOOLLLL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UwTd9Cjx14&t=22s
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Cardboard Box A posted:Every time I hear “lock her up” at the convention, I just cringe. This was actually pretty interesting and made me do some reading. The similarities are scary.
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This is the most likable Ted Cruz will ever be...
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Ted Cruz is like a failed Frey from Game of Thrones. His Red Wedding crashed becayse someone slipped the musicians a $20 to play something else, and now he'll be salty forevermore. As for people saying this positions him to be the post-Trump 'common sense' guy...ahahaha, no. These people nurse their grievances like precious firstborn heirs and believe in 'stabbed in the back' narratives to an extent that would make 1930s germans tell them to lighten up. So yeah, Melania's speech-lifting is suddenly much less of an issue. What wonders will tonight bring?
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Has the Trump campaign said anything at all about Laura Ingraham and the "Seig Hiel" wave? Because what the actual gently caress?
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Cardboard Box A posted:Every time I hear “lock her up” at the convention, I just cringe. I feel like this could be a major point if someone actually has the stones to corner Trump on this. Simply put, asking "If you truly believe that Hillary Clinton has broken the law as you and everyone below you has said, and is only not in jail because of the Obama administration, will you be pushing for her prosecution if elected President?". Kinda like McCain when he was forced to confront the "secret Muslim" dog whistle at that town hall meeting when he had to cut off that old lady and say that no he's not. I don't know if Trump has it in him to pass up on a juicy piece of red meat for the base thrown his way. Hell, Hillary could do it at a debate and either quiet that dog whistle, or make it apparent to everyone sane and rational just how dangerous Trump is.
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Morby posted:Has the Trump campaign said anything at all about Laura Ingraham and the "Seig Hiel" wave? Because what the actual gently caress?
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Oxxidation posted:My guess is it'll be one of his more even-keeled speeches and pretty unremarkable compared to what's gone down the last three days. Setting expectations low. This is probably the safe bet. However Trump is, interestingly, back on Twitter after his handlers took away his phone or whatever. Hopefully Cruz got under his skin and got Trump good and angry last night.
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Morby posted:Has the Trump campaign said anything at all about Laura Ingraham and the "Seig Hiel" wave? Because what the actual gently caress?
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Lord Hydronium posted:It seems to have been a mostly ignored moment in the media, so there's about a 50/50 shot that the campaign will make it into a huge deal anyway. I saw a few articles about it on Slate and such. Last night was the night I decided to check out of the RNC, but I couldn't because it was insanity from start to finish. I am both curious about frightened as to how he will top all of this.
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The more they try to pretend it doesn't exist the more totally-on-purpose it seems to be, though.
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It's not like the media can address every little crazy thing drowning in a sea of crazy things about the convention.
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Yinlock posted:The more they try to pretend it doesn't exist the more totally-on-purpose it seems to be, though. People have tried to spin it as just an innocuous wave that the  LIBERAL MEDIA jumped on because they're biased. But Trump's official camp hasn't said anything.
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SavageBastard posted:This was actually pretty interesting and made me do some reading. The similarities are scary. Any good recommended readings? I'd like to write something on it.
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 it's just a combination of so many things, the sheepish look, the sudden and obvious deflection into a wave where her face somehow magically shifts with her arm into Fake Smile #23 tee hee i'm just gonna snap off a quick sieg heil i'm so excited oh poo poo this is on tv.
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Jul 21, 2016 15:44
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I'm too scared to click on Stormfront. Did they like it?
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Bubbacub posted:I'm too scared to click on Stormfront. Did they like it?  Reading Stormfront can be kind of amusing sometimes. One time I found a post where one of them beat up his girlfriend because he saw that she was washing dishes in The Sims, but their real life dishes had gone unwashed for days.
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Stormfront is practically civil and work safe these days, compared to their rival white supremacist forums like Daily Stormer/4chan/8chan/Reddit/Voat
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https://twitter.com/AliceOllstein/status/756140487220887552 This is a pretty good "in the crowd" article about what it's like to be at, and then get into, the RNC. edit: also: https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/756140113629937664
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Yinlock posted:
http://i.imgur.com/t6LzzBE.gifv
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Yinlock posted:
It's like the bare minimum of plausible deniability.
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for gently caress's sake
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acejackson42 posted:So tonight's the night we get the most unhinged presidential candidate speech in history, correct? Because, man, I cant even begin to imagine what Trump is going to have to say after these last three nights of lunacy. Trump will come out on stage stark naked. Orange face and hands but pasty white body. After standing at the podium staring at the audience for 2 full minutes he will begin running back and forth on the stage flailing his arms and legs. Then the urination and defecation will begin followed after a few minutes by occasionally throwing his feces into the audience. He will then give his stump speech and quickly leave the stadium. Boosted and Vile will declare it the greatest 11th dimensional chess move in the history of politics.
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Platonicsolid posted:Really hoping this lead to the stupid "criminalizing policitics" canard to junked and we'll see President Clinton finally do some war crimes prosecutions. I don't think you're able to testify against yourself
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Why on earth would she do something like that? Making a statement?
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Morby posted:People have tried to spin it as just an innocuous wave that the Albeit a hilarious one. Surely there's some political consultant out there (maybe I should start a business?) who can instruct politicians of all stripes to never loving ever wave like that. If you're going to put your hand forward at an angle towards a crowd, then simply extend your index finger so it turns into a point. There are pictures of Hillary and Bernie doing the same thing and we all make fun of them too.
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St. Dogbert posted:Why on earth would she do something like that? Making a statement? I honestly think, especially seeing her walking out and waving earlier, that it was an accident. It's like she's trying to wave to the back of the crowd and extends her hand a full length to kind of be "hey to you way back there" but instantly realizes "whoops gently caress that's a nazi salute" and tries to recover. I mean I seriously doubt she did that on purpose but it's still really funny.
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BonoMan posted:I honestly think, especially seeing her walking out and waving earlier, that it was an accident. It's like she's trying to wave to the back of the crowd and extends her hand a full length to kind of be "hey to you way back there" but instantly realizes "whoops gently caress that's a nazi salute" and tries to recover. It's funny to laugh at but it gets absurd when people seriously consider she is actually throwing out a nazi salute. She didn't tilt her hand five degrees. Don't make it more than what it is.
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