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The good old days of coke and brandy.
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And so many amphetamines people died at the top of mountains Ah the good old days
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Jul 21, 2016 20:41
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What's the deal with full body suits being outlawed by the UCI? Jens was talking about super tall shoe covers Dumoulin or Bardet (can't remember) used to get around as much of the rule as possible.
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Jul 21, 2016 20:43
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It's just not a real tour unless someone dies.
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Jul 21, 2016 20:45
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Hegay posted:*all the former US Postal and Discovery fans* Actually, Team Sky is legit and it's totally normal that riders somehow turn into world beaters when they join them Ha, I missed this the first time round The mythical Schrödinger's poster, simultaneously only having starting watching 4 years ago whilst also being a fan of USP and discovery Good one
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Jul 21, 2016 20:47
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So Froome is basically head and shoulders better than everyone else in the Tour de France regardless of the stage or terrain?
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Jul 21, 2016 20:51
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Still a better tour than 2014 when Nibali won it by 8 minutes and you had Pinot on the podium.
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Jul 21, 2016 21:00
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It's more like Peanut said. Financial doping, where sky have a much bigger budget than other teams and can afford to stack their tour team with great riders who would be gc guys for most teams. They then waste themselves on rotation so that froome doesn't have to work so hard. Since they hit the first mountains, every other team has said that they can't attack because team sky are setting a constant high pace uphill. There isn't that margin of effort available to create an attack and make it stick. Other teams like Astana and Tinkoff have done it before, but as Kazakhstan and Oleg don't want to engage sky in a financial arms race, we're left with one massively stronger team whose major goal every year is to crush the Tour de France.
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Jul 21, 2016 21:09
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Lenin Riefenstahl posted:It's more like Peanut said. Financial doping, where sky have a much bigger budget than other teams and can afford to stack their tour team with great riders who would be gc guys for most teams. They then waste themselves on rotation so that froome doesn't have to work so hard. Since they hit the first mountains, every other team has said that they can't attack because team sky are setting a constant high pace uphill. There isn't that margin of effort available to create an attack and make it stick. I guess that was kind of my question...is it Froome is just straight up head and shoulders better/stronger than every other pro riding the Tour, or is basically that his team is so strong he can sit up at the front and never have to work in every stage and just pick his times to attack and gain time whereas every other contender is working harder than him every single day because their teams are weaker. I mean, destroying Dumoulin in a time trial while also destroying every body who even thinks of attacking on a climb is...I'm not sure whether to be impressed or what.
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Jul 21, 2016 21:34
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His domestiques are a class better than anyone else's. The whole race is just a TTT that lasts a few weeks.
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Jul 21, 2016 21:51
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Even a casual observer can see that Froome is surrounded by teammates and all the other GC riders are isolated. How can any of them hope to mount a challenge against Sky without any help?
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Jul 21, 2016 22:07
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Lenin Riefenstahl posted:Let brexit save cycling. at least nibali actually raced the vuelta and the giro
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Jul 21, 2016 22:08
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Lenin Riefenstahl posted:It's more like Peanut said. Financial doping, where sky have a much bigger budget than other teams and can afford to stack their tour team with great riders who would be gc guys for most teams. They then waste themselves on rotation so that froome doesn't have to work so hard. Since they hit the first mountains, every other team has said that they can't attack because team sky are setting a constant high pace uphill. There isn't that margin of effort available to create an attack and make it stick. US Postal did this too
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Jul 21, 2016 22:30
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Diego Rosa was hammering the pace for Astana yesterday and when he finally dropped off the commentators mentioned "he's joining Sky next year" and it kind of drove home the point that they've broken this race with money, regardless of anything else.
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Jul 21, 2016 23:03
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Team Sky are a bunch of doping fucks but come on, Froome hasn't won this year by some absurd climb while eyes nailed to the power meter readout. Doping isn't going to give you the balls to do the decent he pulled off to gain the jersey. Or the anger and desire to run up Ventoux. He's outraced everyone this time around and been very entertaining to boot. FFS, I hate the Sky Train but Froome's been a highlight of the Tour and not for being a doping oval office. Skarsnik posted:Lots of people grumpy that their doper of choice isnt winning 2011 is probably the cleanest the Tour has ever been. But in all honesty, this year hasn't been too absurd.
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Jul 21, 2016 23:34
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Yeah I don't get the saltiness. Froome has gained the most time: a) Attacking downhill into Bagneres. b) Sprinting away in the crosswinds with Sagan. c) Attacking with Richie Porte. d) Dominating an individual time trial.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:
And even that was one of Contadors asterisk years
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Rhaegar posted:Yeah I don't get the saltiness. Froome has gained the most time: I like Froome even though I have no ulterior reason too. He carries himself like a champion and is funny. He most certainly dopes, which is required to be a professional bike rider, unless he really did use a motor in the past (probably not) which is hosed.
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The 80's really seem like the golden years of cycling, although I wasn't around then. Since those days of Fignon-Hinault-Lemond wars we've had Indurain-Armstrong-Contador-Sky reigns with small blips. Speaking of which, why does no one ever bring up Indurian when doping talk happens?
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Skarsnik posted:Lots of people grumpy that their doper of choice isnt winning These days!   (Well, he never *tested* positive, so that's good enough for me)
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clean ayers act posted:Speaking of which, why does no one ever bring up Indurian when doping talk happens? I don't think you can blame him for the poo poo he was obviously dosed with as a child.
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clean ayers act posted:Speaking of which, why does no one ever bring up Indurian when doping talk happens? Mostly, Indurain is relatively likeable and humble, which makes him less of a target. He is also a less egregious case because he had legitimate weaknesses as a rider.
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Jul 22, 2016 02:39
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i thought about watching the TT after work but my subconscious made me spoil the result for myself on twitter. thank god. at least i know ive got my weekend back now for less processional things such as the hungarian formula 1 grand prix
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Jul 22, 2016 04:18
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I went to Hungary once, wouldn't go back, full of racists eager to show how the Budapest is modernizing ("but doesn't have as many Arabs as Paris"). Back to cycling, lol at FSA suddenly rediscovering their electronic Group set for the tour after an entire year of radio silence. Maybe this time it'll work 👍
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Jul 22, 2016 09:39
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peanut- posted:Diego Rosa was hammering the pace for Astana yesterday and when he finally dropped off the commentators mentioned "he's joining Sky next year" and it kind of drove home the point that they've broken this race with money, regardless of anything else. ..and this is exactly what happened during the Armstrong years as well, if you were a promising prospect that might challenge Lance in the coming years, you got scooped up and set to work for him. People are now realising that this is as much of a problem as doping, which is good.
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Jul 22, 2016 09:51
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I can't wait for the spring classics!
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serious gaylord posted:Still a better tour than 2014 when Nibali won it by 8 minutes and you had Pinot on the podium. I won $2,000 that year in that road id tour podium picker contest because I had Pinot in 3rd, that tour ruled actually. Ok, it sucked, but still. Got some pretty wheels out of it.
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Jul 22, 2016 11:53
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Could you do a salary cap for cycling? Or just for the TdF? Much as Sky would scream and probably take their bikes and go home, you'd have thought it would make it easier for smaller teams to compete.
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Jul 22, 2016 12:02
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The money in cycling is pathetic enough already that they have to have minimum salary requirements. Capping what cyclists can earn if someone is willing to put money into the sport wouldn't really seem fair. It would just mean the stars get paid the same and the support riders earn even less.
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Jul 22, 2016 12:19
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Well, astana are doing something.
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Jul 22, 2016 12:35
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Full franchise model, auction the team slots, pool the funding, draft the riders, distribute the wealth, full communism now. etc.
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Jul 22, 2016 12:43
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Only surprising thing about this breakaway is the lack of Sagan in it.
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Jul 22, 2016 12:46
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Doesn't Katusha have a budget almost matching Sky's?
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Hegay posted:Doesn't Katusha have a budget almost matching Sky's? They blew it all on meldonium.
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Jul 22, 2016 13:53
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Riis just got a new team together with Saxo Bank owner Lars Seier, they're calling it Team Virtu Pro – Veloconcept, just rolls of the tongue
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Jul 22, 2016 14:21
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Jul 22, 2016 14:26
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Remember that Olympic ski jump in Sotchi that cost billions.
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Jul 22, 2016 14:30
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Hegay posted:Riis just got a new team together with Saxo Bank owner Lars Seier, they're calling it Team Virtu Pro – Veloconcept, just rolls of the tongue Wait I didn't know Dota teams were getting into cycling now
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Jul 22, 2016 14:51
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Vando posted:Wait I didn't know Dota teams were getting into cycling now What?
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Vando posted:Wait I didn't know Dota teams were getting into cycling now VP was a CS team long before dota if you want to make that joke.
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