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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Is there a first dog loss edit?

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Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Is there a first dog loss edit?
not funny + not funny =! funny

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Question regarding annual leave and notice period for leaving a job.

My partner interviewed today for a new job, and is going on a months annual leave on Monday. Her supervisor knows about the interview and is a referee and seems very supportive. If she gets a job offer while on annual leave, will the remainder of her annual leave count towards the 4 week notice period (she's been at her current job for 5 years), or will it only begin once she has returned from leave.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Solemn Sloth posted:

Question regarding annual leave and notice period for leaving a job.

My partner interviewed today for a new job, and is going on a months annual leave on Monday. Her supervisor knows about the interview and is a referee and seems very supportive. If she gets a job offer while on annual leave, will the remainder of her annual leave count towards the 4 week notice period (she's been at her current job for 5 years), or will it only begin once she has returned from leave.

Obviously depends on the specific contract in case they have some kind of clause, but that would ordinarily count as notice time. I've known a few people who have done that exact thing.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Solemn Sloth posted:

Question regarding annual leave and notice period for leaving a job.

My partner interviewed today for a new job, and is going on a months annual leave on Monday. Her supervisor knows about the interview and is a referee and seems very supportive. If she gets a job offer while on annual leave, will the remainder of her annual leave count towards the 4 week notice period (she's been at her current job for 5 years), or will it only begin once she has returned from leave.

Notice counts from whenever you give it.

People taking 4-5 weeks leave and giving notice at the start of it (or just after commencing it) is definitely a thing that happens.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Cartoon posted:

not funny + not funny =! funny

:agreed:

Toys For Ass Bum
Feb 1, 2015

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-20499-165.htm

So... it looks like the coalition will only have 76 MP's? :ohdear:

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

wayne curr posted:

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-20499-165.htm

So... it looks like the coalition will only have 76 MP's? :ohdear:

Into the crusher!

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

wayne curr posted:

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-20499-165.htm

So... it looks like the coalition will only have 76 MP's? :ohdear:

Please let this be real. Please let this be real

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip
it needs to be 75 for uncertain death

AgentF
May 11, 2009

Just beautiful

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

Cartoon posted:

not funny + not funny =! funny

We now know this to be provably false.

spamman
Jul 11, 2002

Chin up Tiger, There is always next season...

That is very funny.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

:five:

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip

this has less words than firstdog

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

holy poo poo

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Found this in my grandparents CD player. What do.

Au Revoir Shosanna
Feb 17, 2011

i support this government and/or service

Anidav posted:


Found this in my grandparents CD player. What do.

:sever:

Frogfingers
Oct 10, 2012

Seagull posted:

it needs to be 75 for uncertain death

75 + 1 speaker. Does that count?

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

That is still 75 vs. 74

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

You Am I posted:

Please let this be real. Please let this be real
They have only declared 67 of those 150 seats so still a little early to be dancing in the streets about any particular outcome. That one will almost certainly go to disputed returns after an interminable number of recounts. It may even make August 23 interesting (When Parliament is next scheduled to sit) :allears:

That loss edit was only funny in the context of the broader AusPol hivemind metahumour so my point still stands :colbert:

[Also I didn't think it was funny and as a mother (fucker) I...]

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Anidav posted:


Found this in my grandparents CD player. What do.

Send them off to a nursing home asap

BOAT SHOWBOAT
Oct 11, 2007

who do you carry the torch for, my young man?
EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S MALCOLM'S BUDGET SPEECH AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, MALC. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME JOBS AND GROWTH OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP TECHNIQUE. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY’S MOST DANGEROUS BUDGET EMERGENCY. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY COLLEGE CLASS AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN COLLEGE CLASS CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JERKS. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE LINES AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY APARTMENT LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING WIND DOWN EVERY MORNING. THEN I LIFT

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
And yet still not as pathetic as NTATA....

Who criticised Obama yesterday for being too soft on ISIS (or so the front page of the Australian flatuated).

EDIT paywall cracked and hacked

quote:

Obama too soft in fight against ISIS: Tony Abbott

Abbott: The right response to IS has evolved

Former prime minister Tony Abbott was frustrated with US President Barack Obama’s cautious approach to tackling the Islamic State. CAMERON STEWART Associate Editor Melbourne PAUL MALEY National Security Editor Sydney

Tony Abbott was openly frustrated with Barack Obama’s leadership at the start of the war against Islamic State, believing that restrictive rules of engagement and a risk-averse approach in Washington were cruelling the fight against the terrorist group. According to senior members of the government, the former prime minister thought the US President was “too cautious and too cerebral’’ in formulating Washington’s response to Islamic State, which in mid-2014 burst out of Syria and annexed large tracts of northern Iraq. Members of the Abbott government have spoken publicly for the first time about the tensions and frustrations that accomp­anied the decision to commit ­Australian combat forces to Iraq.

Attorney-General George Brandis and former defence minister David Johnston have spoken about Mr Abbott’s concerns around Washington’s resolve to fight the war, which began in earnest in September 2014. “He (Abbott) was quite unilateral in his proposition of what we could do and what we should do,’’ Senator Johnston said. “I just kept right away from it. Whenever we had (a National Security Committee) meeting I used to say: ‘We need to be very careful about doing things unilaterally.’ We needed US support in terms of intelligence ­because they had all the satellite information.’’

Speaking to The Weekend Australian, Mr Abbott acknowledged he was at times frustrated at the progress of the air war, which began after Iraq’s Yazidi minority, stranded and besieged on Mount Sinjar in the country’s north, faced imminent genocide at the hands of Islamic State in August 2014. Within months, Australia had joined a US-led coalition air campaign aimed at rolling back Islamic State and al-Qa’ida targets in Syria and Iraq, contributing six Super Hornets, an AWAC command-and-control aircraft, and a refueller.

But the slow progress of the campaign and the restrictive rules of engagement, which demanded zero civilian casualties, meant that four out of five bombers ­returned from missions with their weapons still in their racks. This was despite the risk to ­pilots being the same whether they released their ordnance or not. “There were times when I thought the air campaign could have been conducted with more vigour,’’ Mr Abbott said. “Obviously, the campaign has intensified over the last 10 months and it’s been more effective.’’

As part of a series of articles ­examining the history of Australia’s war against Islamic State, The Weekend Australian has spoken to Mr Abbott, other members of his cabinet and defence and security insiders. The series, which begins today, reveals the depths of Mr Abbott’s concern with Washington and the tensions that ­occasionally flared inside the ­National Security Committee of cabinet as Mr ­Abbott sought to ­intensify the campaign against ­Islamic State, also known as ISIS. The picture that emerges is of a prime minister who, while deeply frustrated by the limits of Aust­ralian power, nevertheless ­remained realistic about what Australia could hope to achieve. “He was almost visibly frustrated at the limits of Australian power and what he perceived to be the reluctance to engage in a full-throated way by Obama,” Senator Brandis said. “He thought Obama was too cautious and too cerebral.”

While acknowledging doubts about the effectiveness of the war in those early phases, Mr Abbott said his approach to the conflict was at all times governed by two principles. “First, we couldn’t do more than the Americans and, second, we couldn’t fight harder for Iraq than the Iraqis were prepared to fight themselves,’’ Mr Abbott said. Still, his approach on occasion created friction within the NSC, the government’s forum for national security policy. Mr Abbott’s worry at the slow progress of the campaign prompted him to explore more muscular options, including sending small teams of special forces soldiers into Iraq to assist in targeting. So-called “Joint Terminal Attack Controller’’, or JTAC teams, had been used to great effect in the campaign in Afghanistan. Mr Abbott is understood to have raised the idea in talks with senior military figures during a briefing at Defence headquarters in Russell, Canberra.

“There was some discussion (about special forces) but I certainly wasn’t supportive of that,’’ Senator Johnston said. Mr Abbott confirms that the idea was “in contemplation’’ from the beginning of the campaign, although it appears never to have gone very far. “The view I took was that we couldn’t do more than the Americans were doing but whatever they were doing we would be prepared to do as well,’’ he said.
"I regret not killing more towel head kiddies" - Our glorious uberleader (just past).

Cartoon fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jul 23, 2016

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
"Bombing More Civilians: The Solution To Extremism" by Tony Abbott

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Stephen Dank was shot :(

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

starkebn posted:

"Bombing More Civilians: The Solution To Extremism" by Tony Abbott

I know what will fix the middle east - more violence!

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Mr Chips posted:

I know what will fix the middle east - more violence!

"You know where we went wrong in Iraq - we didn't kill enough people! Let's fix that!"


Jumpingmanjim posted:

Stephen Dank was shot :(

He's out of hospital though. So, y'know... could'a been worse.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Starshark posted:

"You know where we went wrong in Iraq - we didn't kill enough people! Let's fix that!"


He's out of hospital though. So, y'know... could'a been worse.

He just needed some of his peptides.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Stephen Dank was shot :(

Well someone doesn't want him to talk.

But he never did anything illegal. Honest.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
James Hird was sending him a message.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

James Hird was sending him a message.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4vSEXvLsx0&t=13s

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/how-hanson-won-the-west-20160722-gqbltw.html

Pauline Hanson scored her greatest support in Sydney from voters in the western urban electorate of Lindsay.

The electorate has become a battleground over terrorism, migration and refugees since 2007 when the husband of the sitting Liberal was caught distributing bogus racist material during the federal election campaign that featured "The Islamic Australia Federation" thanking Labor for supporting terrorists involved with the 2002 Bali bombings.

While 5599 or roughly five per cent of Lindsay electors voted for Pauline Hanson's One Nation, she also secured heavy support from voters in other western and south-east fringe electorates like Macarthur (5130 or 4.9 per cent), Chifley (3985 or 3.8 per cent), Hughes (3204 or 3.1 per cent)and Werriwa (3068 or 2.8 per cent).

Sydney and Wentworth showed the lowest levels of support for One Nation, with only half a per cent of electors voting for Hanson's party.

Her greatest support came from voters in Paterson (9636 or 8.6 per cent), Parkes (8881 or 8.3 per cent) and Hunter(8714 or 7.7 per cent).

The two Sydney electorates with the most publicised migrant populations, Watson and Blaxland, eschewed the One Nation with less than 700 voters coming out for the Hansonites.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
Paterson is a shithole so I'm not surprised by that support. Someone probably spread a rumour that Hanson was going to legalise cow-loving.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Starshark posted:

Paterson is a shithole so I'm not surprised by that support. Someone probably spread a rumour that Hanson was going to legalise cow-loving.

Pretty hard to believe, saying 'oh god' over your meat sounds too Halal.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



quote:

senior members of the government, the former prime minister thought the US President was “too cautious and too cerebral’’

Lmao i have no trouble believing abbott thinks things are "too cerebral"

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Pretty hard to believe, saying 'oh god' over your meat sounds too Halal.
No no no you don't say 'oh god' you..oh poo poo how do you delete posts.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Plan: bomb the poo poo out of isis

Cons: didnt say death cult a milllion times a day

Verdict: plan rejected for being too cerebral

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/23/behind-the-successful-2016-election-the-tension-at-the-heart-of-the-greens

An article on why NSW Greens sucks so much and how it needs to stop being university Socialist Alliance members.

quote:

Behind the 'successful' 2016 election: the tension at the heart of the Greens

Special report: As the inquest into the campaign begins, former leader Bob Brown blames New South Wales for the Greens’ failure to break through


The official line from the Greens is that the federal election was a success. And, in some ways, it was. Nationally, there was a 1.6 percentage point swing towards them in the lower house, where their primary vote went up from 8.6% to 10.2%.

In the four Melbourne seats they targeted – Wills, Melbourne Ports, Batman and Higgins – the Greens achieved swings of up to 10%. They argue that those seats, once safely held by either Labor or the Liberals, are now within reach come the next federal election.

But questions are being asked by insiders about whether the party’s relative success in Victoria has distracted from failures elsewhere, particularly in New South Wales, where the party focused on the north coast seat of Richmond and the inner-city metropolitan seats of Grayndler and Sydney. The Greens virtually finished where they started in Sydney and Grayndler, with swings below 0.5 percentage points.

In the Senate, the Greens went backwards. When counting is complete the party may lose up to three of their previous 10 senators – they will definitely lose their second senator in South Australia, with two others still to be resolved. The swing against them in the upper house was 0.2 percentage points, leaving them with 8.4% of the vote.

Bob Brown, the party’s former leader, holds NSW responsible for the party’s modest national performance, telling Guardian Australia the state’s leadership needed to “give way to modern young people”.


Even in Victoria, some believe the party should have done better and picked up at least one extra seat, given the thousands of volunteers on the ground and the resources invested. Adam Bandt retained the seat of Melbourne for the third time but remains the party’s only lower-house MP. Overall, the Greens managed 13.1% of the primary vote in Victoria, a swing of 2.3% towards them, compared with 8.91% of the primary vote and a swing of less than 1% in NSW.

There are also questions about why the Greens have failed to replicate the success of their 2010 election result, when they finished with 11.7% of the primary vote in the lower house, representing a swing of four percentage points in their favour and 13.1% of the vote in the Senate.

The Greens are tightly run and internal tensions rarely spill out into the open. However, party insiders are questioning the impact of the different campaign approaches in the country’s two most populous states and whether the party can position itself as “mainstream” while still holding on to its traditional activist base.

Brown is in no doubt where the blame lies. He told Guardian Australia the NSW campaign was responsible for the party failing to achieve a more significant swing. And he wants the NSW Greens executive to be replaced.

“New South Wales should be the strongest Greens state in Australia,” Brown says. “The Greens were established there 10 years before the Victorian Greens and yet their vote almost went backwards in some electorates. In a modern society like Australia, you have to understand how the electorate thinks, especially the younger section of the electorate.

“You can’t have people who are still doing things the way we did them in the 70s and 80s still in control. They need to give way to modern young people, including young people in professions like business and law who are keen on changing society for the better.”

There is a long and bitter history to Brown’s comments. When talk began in the late 1980s of merging left groups around the country to become a national unified Greens party, Brown, then the head of the Tasmanian Greens, was reluctant because of what he described as the “anarchic leftism” of the Sydney movement. A national Greens party was eventually formed in 1992 but NSW has always remained somewhat isolated.


These tensions have continued as the party has moved to position itself as an established, professional party capable of negotiating with government. Many in the party believe this is the only way to attract more of the Labor vote.

Guardian Australia spoke to several insiders who declined to be named but who echoed Brown’s sentiment that the NSW Greens were uncooperative and ran their own agenda as a protest party and continued to resist attempts at federalisation.

Unlike the Liberal and Labor parties, whose election campaigns are run centrally, each state and territory Greens organisation is responsible for its own campaign.

The Monthly reported that the NSW Greens believed their share of federal resources was insufficient, asking its national council ahead of the 2016 election to re-examine “the current Australian Greens campaign budget to ensure it equitably reflects NSW priorities”.

Brown believes the campaigning methods of the Victorian Greens, which brought them closer to victory even in the Liberal-held seat of Higgins, should be embraced by the party nationally. But he said that would require the NSW Greens executive to “empower someone else and diminish their own”.

In particular, he said, the NSW Greens needed to take “a good, hard look at what went wrong” in Grayndler.

Grayndler is the safe Labor seat in Sydney’s inner west held by Anthony Albanese and the Greens believe they have a chance to win it once the frontbencher retires. Most analysts believe that wresting the seat from the popular and well-recognised Albanese will be a tough ask until then.

Brown argues that the Greens candidate, Jim Casey, should have at least picked up some of the Labor vote there, edging the party closer to its goal. With more seats to target and defend, Labor campaign resources are spread more thinly. The Greens inject their funds into the few seats they believe they have a chance of winning or where they think they can gain significant ground.

The party went all out in Grayndler in the early weeks , including a visit by leader Richard Di Natale on the first day of the campaign. There were billboards of Casey, a firefighter and firefighters union head, and an army of volunteers door-knocked to promote him as a progressive and pragmatic mainstream candidate.

Labor targeted Casey, using a video unearthed during the campaign in which he declared at a Greens conference that he would “prefer to see Tony Abbott returned as prime minister” than Bill Shorten elected and calling for “civil disobedience”.

Albanese declared Casey an anti-capitalist Trotskyist. According to one Greens’ strategist, Casey did not do enough to distance himself from his socialist history and a more mainstream candidate might have caused Labor serious concern.

According to those campaigning for Labor, the Greens withdrew their resources from the electorate after this incident and dedicated them elsewhere. That’s something Casey denies, telling Guardian Australia that the party continued to campaign hard after the video was released.

“Certainly, once the preference deal between Labor and Liberal happened that did make things more difficult,” Casey said.

“At that point we weren’t just fighting Albanese, we were also fighting the Liberal party, ex-Liberal prime ministers visiting the electorate, half the current front bench and the Murdoch press. Given all that I think it’s positive we managed to hold on to our base vote.”

“I think the Greens have also underestimated the power of Albanese’s incumbency, he’s been a rising star for decades. I think he will be beat either when he retires or kills someone and knowing the guy, either thing is possible.”

It was unfair for Brown to target NSW, Casey said, adding that the same questions being asked in that state would likely being asked by the party federally. While Casey is unsure if he will run again, the Greens needed to broaden their focus moving forward, he said.


“One of the things we tried in Grayndler was to begin to push a narrative about more than just human rights and also push a campaign of economic justice,” he said.

“I don’t think we did that consistently enough or well enough, but I do think the future for the Greens lies in nailing that. We have good policies on economic issues but we don’t lead with them, but we need to in order to push past 10%.”

A senior Labor insider told Guardian Australia that, in Tanya Plibersek’s electorate of Sydney, the Greens’ campaign focus on stopping the WestConnex toll road worked in Labor’s favour.

“If they had had a go at us over asylum seekers, Labor MPs would have been more afraid,” he said.

This was the approach taken by the Victorian Greens, particularly in Shorten’s electorate of Maribyrnong. The high-profile human rights lawyer Julian Burnside was among those who attended the campaign launch of the Greens candidate, Dr Olivia Ball, where asylum seeker policy was emphasised. However, the Greens vote went backwards slightly by 0.2% in that electorate. Di Natale also highlighted asylum seeker issues throughout the campaign.

The differing approaches of the Victorian and NSW campaigns became obvious after senior figures from the NSW Greens’ committee of management resigned early in the campaign, a fact the party tried to keep secret.

According to a long-serving Greens strategist, who declined to be named, some of those five who resigned had been involved in previous campaigns in Victoria and were trying to push a more cohesive, positive and national approach in NSW. But they were battling against supporters of the Greens NSW senator Lee Rhiannon, a leader of the diehard protest arm of the party.

“I think there is a feeling that in NSW the party has been focusing on things that, at the end of the day, will have a minimal impact on our vote, such as the focus on the Middle East for example,” he said.

“We should be worrying about the things where we might be able to achieve change, whether it be asylum seekers or climate change. I think Richard Di Natale’s view is that this [the Middle East] is not an issue we should prioritise and yet the NSW Greens keep trying to bring the discussion back to Israel and Palestine.”

According to Brown: “The world view in NSW from the Greens has been far too negative. The feeling there is that we’re fighting off something rather than fighting our way into achieving.”


Another party insider told Guardian Australia: “The Sydney vote is clearly indicative that something went wrong, and by Sydney I mean greater Sydney, not just the seat of Sydney. Obviously there were strong Labor candidates in Sydney and Grayndler, and Melbourne is a more progressive city, but the NSW Greens are trying to put all the blame on those factors. It is absurd to think that’s the whole story, or even the majority of the story.”

The NSW camp rejects this assessment. Rhiannon told Guardian Australia that Brown joined her and NSW lower-house candidates at various events throughout the campaign. At no time did he raise any complaints, she said. She said the NSW Greens campaigns and protest movements were similar to ones Brown had himself once led.

“Candidates right across Greens NSW are involved in extra-parliamentary protests, campaigns and movements,” Rhiannon said. “It is the foundation of our party and we make no apology for that. I challenge the idea that these campaigns do not win votes.”


A Greens NSW spokeswoman told Guardian Australia the party was in the middle of a comprehensive review of the campaign.

“Greens NSW worked very closely with our interstate colleagues and with the federal campaign,” she said. “We adopted national messaging, we adopted the federal election timeline, we coordinated our media and advertising closely and we participated in national media and strategy discussions every day. Our support is also demonstrated by our contribution of $170,000 towards the Australian Greens budget of $900,000.”

Brown’s successor as leader, Christine Milne, who resigned in 2015, said the Greens did well given their exclusion from the leaders’ and policy debates on national TV, broadcast on social media or at the National Press Club. She said Di Natale campaigned strongly, a sentiment echoed by Brown, Casey and party insiders.

Milne blamed the media, in part, for being more interested in populist and personality politics than scrutinising policy. It meant the Greens did not get the coverage of minor party leaders such as Nick Xenophon and One Nation’s Pauline Hanson.

“Truth or accuracy are out the window and it’s all about impressions and performance and the number of clicks,” she told Guardian Australia. “Sensationalism attracts ratings. The stuntmen and women are the ones who are now showcased by the mainstream media and social media bloggers to increase the number of views. Entertainment and virility [stories going viral] are a challenge for a party like the Greens trying to drive change.”

But some inside the party say the Greens had more media coverage during this election campaign than in any previous one, even if much of it was Malcolm Turnbull and Shorten urging voters not to vote for the Greens because of the “chaotic” parliament they said would ensue.

Di Natale, a self-described more “mainstream progressive” Greens leader, said the party would wait until all counting had finished before holding a post-mortem on the result. But he said he was pleased with the vote in the lower house.

He blamed the party’s reduced vote in the Senate on the unprecedented half-Senate election in Western Australia in 2014, held after 1,000 ballot papers were lost during an official recount in 2013. The Greens performed well in that election, elevating their 2013 Senate result, he said.

“The byelection was a very different election because we had the whole team campaigning in Western Australia so that result was so significantly higher than the Senate result in the general election and has inflated the Senate result from last time,” Di Natale told Guardian Australia.

“It could also be that with a double-dissolution election and lots of minor parties running, there was a big choice for voters. It’s possible that we were regarded by voters as major party so they were voting for us in the House of Representatives but for micro-parties in the Senate.”

Guardian Australia spoke to several Greens voters who said they felt betrayed by Di Natale’s deal with the Liberals to push through Senate voting reforms, highlighting the risk of isolating the party’s supporter base as it moves to become more mainstream. But Senate reforms have long been Greens party policy.

But the veteran political reporter Jim Middleton, who is with Sky News and the University of Melbourne’s Centre for Advancing Journalism, said to get above 10% of the vote the Greens needed to attract voters who had not supported them in the past.

“They have to be in a position where they’re prepared to use their influence and numbers to deal with both sides,” he said. “They can’t just be the kind of party that will only deal with Labor.”

A Greens party analyst, Stephen Luntz, said in a double-dissolution election under the former Senate preference rules the Greens would probably have fared worse and lost at least four Senate seats. At a half-Senate election under the old rules, there would have been a high chance the micro-parties would have banded together with preference deals to push them out entirely.

“One Nation may have got up in every state,” Luntz said.


One party insider said disillusionment towards the Coalition government in this election might have prompted those contemplating voting Greens to back Labor in order to increase their chances of seeing a change of government.

“The other thing we struggle with is brand recognition,” he said. “We are still finding a lot of the ‘crazy Greens’ public perception. Unfortunately, that will take time to change. Richard Di Natale has only been leader for just over one year and it takes time to establish a leader.”

For his part, Adam Bandt disputes claims that the Victorian campaign should have performed better given the resources invested there.

“Just like in 2013, in Melbourne we faced a Labor/Liberal preference deal designed to unseat us and we beat the combined might of the two old parties,” he told Guardian Australia.

“It looks like more people voted for us than ever before. Over the last six years, whatever has happened to the Greens’ vote elsewhere, our vote in Melbourne and surrounding seats has grown. Our strong presence in Melbourne is having an effect in neighbouring electorates and MPs like [Labor’s] David Feeney are now only hanging on to their seats thanks to Liberal preferences.”

For now, Di Natale says the party is prepared to play the long game. But that allows a good cover when reporters and voters question whether the Greens should have done better. Like the major parties, the Greens employ analysts and psephologists tasked with strategising to maximise the party’s vote. And it is clear that internally, there is angst, with questions are being asked about the Greens’ failure to advance further in 2016.

Lid fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jul 23, 2016

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birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Lid posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/23/behind-the-successful-2016-election-the-tension-at-the-heart-of-the-greens

An article on why NSW Labor sucks so much and how it needs to stop being university Socialist Alliance members.

not sure the article is about that

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