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DangerDongs posted:That reflector top deck to make the game a draw is horseshit. Just concede to the deck that is beating you, is harder to pilot, and is playing new cards. Yeah how dare the guy at 5-0 try to get maximum points
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AlternateNu posted:Cost reduction effects (like Bedlam Reveler) don't change the CMC value while on the stack, right? They do not. Edit; How dare some one's frustration be hyperbole on the internet.
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Star Man posted:And he'd have had it too if he had waited to cast Avacyn after combat to dodge a potential Reflector Mage. No he wouldn't. Dude was at 6 with 3 blockers against 3 attackers, one of which was in the air for 4.
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Jul 23, 2016 22:18
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Elyv posted:"Dominant" and "good" are not the same I remember GP top 8s being littered with it. Turtenwald called it "the best deck by so much that not playing it was a mistake". I don't think it was that much less dominant than Company is now now (but part of that was Rally itself, with or without Reflector).
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Rinkles posted:I remember GP top 8s being littered with it. Turtenwald called it "the best deck by so much that not playing it was a mistake". It was the best deck but that fact didn't really enter the collective consciousness of the community until maybe a month before ogw was coming out, so we hadn't had the time or sheer popular penetration for everyone to be sick of it yet iirc
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Cactrot posted:It wasn't until reflector mage that I started disliking it. Agreed. Company was overshadowed by Abzan Aggro for most of Khans standard, and even after 4c Rally developed into a Tier 1 contender is still had serious problems dealing with powerful incidental hate cards like Anafenza. Then Reflector Mage got printed, giving it a real answer to the only good graveyard hate in standard as well as a powerful tempo swing to buy it time for its combo, and 4c Rally was probably the best deck in standard until rotation. When Siege Rhino left, so did the biggest incentive to play non-Company creature decks, and now every time they print a playable three drop they make Company even better. I definitely don't like where it is in the format right now but at least Queller Company will only exist for another few months. I'm glad the card got printed because it enables some cool decks and isn't oppressive in Modern, but Reflector Mage definitely pushes the deck over the top in Standard. Elyv posted:It was the best deck but that fact didn't really enter the collective consciousness of the community until maybe a month before ogw was coming out, so we hadn't had the time or sheer popular penetration for everyone to be sick of it yet iirc Before OGW came out the deck had a really hard time dealing with Anafenza, which was already staple in the other most popular deck at the time. Reflector Mage providing a guaranteed turn of graveyard access without having to exile itself like Sidisi's Faithful in addition to being a brutal tempo blow to aggro decks was what really put it over the top. Voyager I fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Elyv posted:It was the best deck but that fact didn't really enter the collective consciousness of the community until maybe a month before ogw was coming out, so we hadn't had the time or sheer popular penetration for everyone to be sick of it yet iirc It was definitely getting there (but Rally got most of the ire)
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Cedric and Patrick absolutely despise Reflector Mage decks, so watching them is as incredible as it is cathartic.
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I am curious how many Reflectors we'll see without Company in the format.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Happened with Jace before it, happened with Devotion too, it'll happen to the next cool thing that dominates and becomes overexposed. Pretty much. We are quite a whiny bunch.
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Rinkles posted:I am curious how many Reflectors we'll see without Company in the format. I would imagine plenty still. U/W tempo will still be good. I think after this week we are going to be seeing a lot more Elder Deep Fiends to get around Reflector Mage and Spell Queller.
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DangerDongs posted:I would imagine plenty still. U/W tempo will still be good. T3 Reflector Mage into T4 Elder Deep Fiend on your upkeep is going to be a hell of a line once we're not building around Company anymore.
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Man, I really hope something happens at the PT. This format is a joke.DangerDongs posted:He had multiple Shamblings Vents to fire Ok so he has 3 blockers against 4 attackers, 1 of which is in the air attacking for 4. He dies on his next upkeep which never comes.
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I want to take those Metagame Gurus shirts and throw them in the toilet and piss on them.
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Star Man posted:I want to take those Metagame Gurus shirts and throw them in the toilet and piss on them. Throw the players wearing them in with them.
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DangerDongs posted:That reflector top deck to make the game a draw is horseshit. Just concede to the deck that is beating you, is harder to pilot, and is playing new cards. When money's on the line honor takes a backseat, it's a sad truth
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C-Euro posted:Pretty much. We are quite a whiny bunch. It's that, and there really isn't a card pool large enough in standard to sustain more than one or two top decks most of the time.
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suicidesteve posted:Throw the players wearing them in with them. Kevin Jones is okay. But I'd give Jim Davis a swirly after I piss in the toilet.
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TheKingofSprings posted:It's that, and there really isn't a card pool large enough in standard to sustain more than one or two top decks most of the time. True. I wonder if Wizards realized this when they went to two-set blocks? Technically it's the same number of Expert-level sets but you're missing out on one or two core sets. They upped the size of the Expert-level sets to make up for that, right?
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holy gently caress this bant company mirror it's beautiful Jen X fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Planar Outburst is a card, people. Edit: THAT'S LEGIT Star Man fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Didn't I see one of them had that in their SB?
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Still got nothing on that Gw devotion mirror from that Fate Reforged era GP.
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Star Man posted:I imagine that most Magic players think that you can have brother-in-laws, judging by their use of English. Haha what
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Pluralizing the adjective instead of the noun. Brothers-in-law, not brother-in-laws. Bridges from Below instead of Bridge from Belows. I just like making fun of tje way nerds talk.
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If an opponent has a Kalitas out if anything dies or sacrificed the ability doesn't trigger right? If I sac a Hangar back I wouldn't get the thopters right
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Star Man posted:Pluralizing the adjective instead of the noun. Brothers-in-law, not brother-in-laws. "Bridge from Belows" can be technically accurate, though. If you're referring to the card "Bridge from Below," pluralizing it would put the 's at the end of the title of the card. If you were referring to the actual bridge represented from the card, you would put the 's at the end of "bridge."
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Star Man posted:Pluralizing the adjective instead of the noun. Brothers-in-law, not brother-in-laws. Oh thank you, I thought I was the only one who did this.
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80s James Hetfield posted:If an opponent has a Kalitas out if anything dies or sacrificed the ability doesn't trigger right? Correct. Specifically, death triggers won't happen since "dying" in magic requires the creature to go to the yard and Kalitas doesn't let it.
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It might be right, but it still sounds wrong. I would make for a fascist of an editor for an MtG site and make Strunk and White required reading.
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Is anybody running UW or is Spell Queller only showing up in Bant? I played my UW Flash deck today and rolled my friend's RB Vampires deck a couple matches. Seems good/was fun. Wanna know what spells people are playing in that deck. I got 2 Ojutai's Command, 2 Pacifism, 2 Clash of Wills, 4 Declaration in Stone and 3 Horribly Awry. Reflector'd an Olivia and then countered it next time it came out. Felt good.
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There are a few different takes on primarily UW tempo/spirit heavy lists right now, all of which have been making heavy use of Spell Queller. The card made a very strong showing today. Ojutai's Command is also pretty good in a Spirits deck, since it can get back Rattlechains, Mausoleum Wanderer, and Selfless Spirit as cheeky ways to counter things other than creatures. Most of the lists seem to be trying pretty hard to never cast spells on their own main phase if they can avoid it.
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Soul Glo posted:Is anybody running UW or is Spell Queller only showing up in Bant? I played my UW Flash deck today and rolled my friend's RB Vampires deck a couple matches. Seems good/was fun. Jeff Hoogland was playing a pretty sweet UW spirits deck with it. They did a deck tech on it. Almost the entire deck is instant speed, and uses stasis snare instead of dec in stone since it's instant speed. Seemed pretty controlling.
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80s James Hetfield posted:If I sac a Hangar back I wouldn't get the thopters right True, because Kalitas has a replacement clause preventing Hangarback from entering the graveyard at any point.
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I just want to take a moment, after watching the SCG Stream, to appreciate the fact that WotC gives its commentators a pronunciation guide. "Kai-theon," "Jee-sella?" Come on, guys.
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80s James Hetfield posted:If an opponent has a Kalitas out if anything dies or sacrificed the ability doesn't trigger right? Other interesting riffles: Kalitas only triggers on death, so if their removal exiles your creature directly then they don't get the zombie.
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Voyager I posted:Other interesting riffles: Kalitas only triggers on death, so if their removal exiles your creature directly then they don't get the zombie. It's a replacement effect. So it's not even a trigger you can miss. But you're right, exiling stuff won't give the Kalitas player a zombie.
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GonSmithe posted:I just want to take a moment, after watching the SCG Stream, to appreciate the fact that WotC gives its commentators a pronunciation guide. "Kai-theon," "Jee-sella?" Come on, guys. Kleetus, Traitor of Ghettysburg.
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