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Edmond Dantes posted:That could work, but then you'd have another Zenyatta without discord. Maybe do the destroyable drone thing but with shields? Like, 50 shields on the people the drone is following around, but you can destroy it. What's the effective difference between that and simply healing someone, besides poor scaling? If we do shields though, making boost like a quarter of their HP, so it scales better otherwise it'd only be useful on flankers.
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Manatee Cannon posted:also tracer is not designed to be instagibbed, that's stupid and contrary to your point She has 150HP and the best evasive toolset of all heroes, she was designed to be a glass cannon and yes, instagibbed if she picks the wrong fights or if someone is REALLY good at hitting her. Also maybe I'm wrong, but I think pellets means most of those attacks don't really do their max potential damage as headshots - in fact, they might do WORSE damage than a meatshot.
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I said non-headshot too so i dont think you even read my point to elaborate yes I did miss that roadhog can instagib 200 hp people with a good bodyshot but I think the odd exception is ok especially with one hero limit and that roadhog's range limitations and inherent drawbacks keep this in check. I think it's ok that tracer dies to a lot because she's the literal only 150 hp character now (zero suit dva blah blah  ) and that is an inherent drawback to herbut for the rest of the cast they should keep the non-ult non-headshot instagibbing to a minimum to keep the game more about teamwork and interaction I don't think this is a very controversial idea.
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I liked the symetra suggestion someone here said of creatable destructible light platforms that can be used by allies. That way she has a use on offence that is unique and is team supporting without being heals.
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just combine mei and symmetra into one hero, give her a freezing laser chainsaw, chargeable chunk of ice altfire, ice block on shift, and light walls. and idk some thematic ult
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FaustianQ posted:What's the effective difference between that and simply healing someone, besides poor scaling? If we do shields though, making boost like a quarter of their HP, so it scales better otherwise it'd only be useful on flankers. To keep her in line with the shield/energy theme and prevent people from complaining about a second Zen, mostly.  Maybe not boost people's hp with shields but replace it? Like, instead of giving you an extra 25 shields just outright replace 50 of your health with shields (or 25 extra + 25 replace) That would allow flankers to be murdered with burst damage but still give them some elbow room if they disengage.
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Zoness posted:I said non-headshot too so i dont think you even read my point but the only things that do instakill right now that I didn't mention are discorded headshots, which requires both skill and teamwork? mccree can't oneshot anything, even tracer, without assistance. it's not like the 50% damage amp from mercy that could just glue to him and let him kill everything independent of the team either, discord requires a lot more coordination because you don't know when the zen is gonna put it on someone or take it away. it's also only on 1 target at a time rather than opening up the entire team at once to death
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The odds of you 1 shotting a Zarya as Roadhog, or 1 shotting a Reaper as another reaper are so astronomically low that it's not even worth mentioning. Roadhog can only manage to do it if he's in the sweet spot mid range with his right click. Frankly I'm not even sure the spread on Reapers shotguns even allow him to 1 shot anyone that isn't discorded
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you definitely can you're right that you probably won't but that wasn't really my point
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Supercar Gautier posted:The worst is when you're planning to only use Symmetra for point A, and then you die right before the enemy takes it, and then the spawn room changes, and now you're stuck in the old spawn room and can't switch characters. You can switch characters while waiting to respawn.
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This argument about OHK's is dumb, please buff Junkrat, Mei, Symmetra and Bastion. TIA.
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Never had this happen before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d17w7ZA4GI
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Manatee Cannon posted:but the only things that do instakill right now that I didn't mention are discorded headshots, which requires both skill and teamwork? huh the context was that people were saying that mccree needs fan the hammer buffed or something else stupid to that extent I'm not saying anything is particularly stupid right now although discord pushes the envelope on that, but adding in more things that just outright kill people (for example increasing fan the hammer damage back to where it was or adding a mini-discord to flashbang) would be dumb Zoness fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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KingShiro posted:Never had this happen before. I wonder if that's a nerf or a bug...
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KingShiro posted:Never had this happen before. Your ult was eaten by Dvas pacman forcefield.
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Jul 25, 2016 19:55
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Make Symmetra's turrets heal allies with a different-colored laser at the same time as they damage with their regular laser so that we can have real laser light shows going on.
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Jul 25, 2016 19:57
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I'm still in a dream, Ult Eater
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Zoness posted:huh the context was that people were saying that mccree needs fan the hammer buffed or something else stupid to that extent I definitely agree with you on that I think discord is fine where it is, but then I am biased towards zen being actually good so
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Jul 25, 2016 19:58
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Bolow posted:Frankly I'm not even sure the spread on Reapers shotguns even allow him to 1 shot anyone that isn't discorded What. I mean, people like to make unverified claims but they're often quite hard to test out, but this is literally a few seconds in the practice room against a 200 health target. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-30e6ExXXI
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Ddraig posted:What. Ok now try that against something that isn't in the loving training ground. The bots have enormous drat near tank size hitboxes with low hp. So yeah dude you're gonna 1 shot a winston sized headshot hitbox, but you're not gonna do the same thing consistently to literally any 200-250hp hero in the game, because their hitboxes are like half as big.
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you absolutely can. it's not consistent, you're right, so you'll probably be going for bodyshots but it's very possible to kill any of the 200 health heroes in 1 headshot. reaper'd probably have to be almost touching the barrel of your gun but hey
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The only two things I want in overwatch Roadhog's hook, melee and point blank shot combo does only 150 damage. Genji gets a cooldown on double jump. There I made the game better.
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Bolow posted:Ok now try that against something that isn't in the loving training ground. The bots have enormous drat near tank size hitboxes with low hp. So yeah dude you're gonna 1 shot a winston sized headshot hitbox, but you're not gonna do the same thing consistently to literally any 200-250hp hero in the game, because their hitboxes are like half as big. You need to get closer to do it, but it is absolutely possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT86jBbr-JA The training bots have 200 hp. Widowmaker has 200 hp. The bots got one-shotted (without discord) as did the Widowmaker, which kind of throws a spanner in the works when it comes to not being able to one-shot people with reaper without discord.
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Ddraig posted:You need to get closer to do it, but it is absolutely possible. Bolow posted:Ok now try that against something that isn't in the loving training ground. The bots have enormous drat near tank size hitboxes with low hp. So yeah dude you're gonna 1 shot a winston sized headshot hitbox, but you're not gonna do the same thing consistently to literally any 200-250hp hero in the game, because their hitboxes are like half as big.
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Jul 25, 2016 20:17
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Try doing it to a REAL HUmane and not a robot. Its loving impossible to use the gun to shoot someone with in this game.
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What's the damage on Roadhog's alt fire? I swear to god I've been one-shotted by it with 200HP characters before. (Although, who knows--I may have just read what happened wrong.)
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 I swear I've never done anything, is this based solely on reports or something? Like if 10 guys all report me at the same time I just get auto silenced? I think I'm pretty calm and non-toxic when I play overwatch 
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OtspIII posted:What's the damage on Roadhog's alt fire? I swear to god I've been one-shotted by it with 200HP characters before. (Although, who knows--I may have just read what happened wrong.) His alt fire can do a maximum of 225 damage, basically exactly the same as his main shotgun, assuming no head shot. His actual ability to do it is rather tricky though as you have to judge the distance right, as if it's too close then the "ball" will hit them, which does pitiful damage, and too far and it will be reduced to nothing thanks to spread/falloff.
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OtspIII posted:What's the damage on Roadhog's alt fire? I swear to god I've been one-shotted by it with 200HP characters before. (Although, who knows--I may have just read what happened wrong.) Roadhog's right click is exactly the same as his left click, in damage values + bullet spread. It just explodes into the shotgun blast 10 meters ahead of him. If you hit someone with the whole packet before it explodes, its something piddly like 40 damage, but post-explosion the flak shot is just as dangerous as the normal shot.
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avatarinwin posted:
Games rarely value reports from your entire team more than usual, since that allows pre-mades to gang up on an innocent person. If you are not sharing your account with another person have faith in the system and do some self-reflection. These kind of punishment are the result of reports across a variety of matches. Also, should this ever happen again in the future, please don't threaten Blizzard with assault rifles
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Yes, I'm quite aware of what you said there. If you want to engage in a pedantry war this was your quote: Bolow posted:Frankly I'm not even sure the spread on Reapers shotguns even allow him to 1 shot anyone that isn't discorded Which is completely, demonstrably untrue, even if you add the "consistently" caveat after the fact.
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avatarinwin posted:
I'm like 30% certain Blizzard actually reviews the reports against in-game chat to ensure accuracy when taking actions against players. If you were silenced, you were silenced for a reason. However, there's a 70% chance I'm mis-remembering an older post and it wasn't Blizzard who referenced in-game chat when a player started crying about a ban on their forum.
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FaustianQ posted:Your ult was eaten by Dvas pacman forcefield. I did that on Hanamura this weekend when they attempted to do the black hole/dragon combo and it left them quite perplexed. So perplexed they didn't actually stand on the point and so we won well that's my story.
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Revelant posted:The only two things I want in overwatch No one would ever play either of those characters again.
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A good roadhog is very frustrating but yeah, he'd be fairly useless without his one hit kills
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Finally finished my placement matches yesterday and got 63, feel pretty good about that.
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Stop using the training ground to support points post in game footage.
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NmareBfly posted:Make Symm's turrets do extra damage If only they didn't decrease her turret damage on PS4.  Make Symmetra Playable Again
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Revelant posted:Roadhog's hook, melee and point blank shot combo does only 150 damage. Get out.
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Haha holy poo poo i was just removed from a QP match for inactivity when I was definitely moving around. Was behind the final point on Anubis while my team was capping the first one as Ana, kept putting people to sleep as they ran to spawn...and got booted. Stupid game, that was prime ambush location, even if I was useless Also I'm in favor of making roadhogs hook not go through geometry and not have a hit radius as big as Winston. I'm tired of having it done to me, and doing to others a hook where they aren't even in the reticule and it still latches onto them.
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