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prefect posted:Apologies if I'm missing The best part is how his career is bookended with baseball porn.
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I Before E posted:He started out strong, even drawing for Alan Moore in Miracleman, then he made a lot of bad X-Men comics, so his name was basically soiled and he was run off into the indie market and eventually disappeared. His X-Men run was his biggest opportunity so it's what stuck when he flamed out and has defined his reputation. It's like how Orson Welles is mainly known for Citizen Kane, except reversed. Thanks all who answered. The reason I asked was because I asked the same question at my FLCS and the owner stuck up for Austen as an adequate writer crippled by editorial intervention. This is a guy who has read every major run from the Big Two as part of his job the last 17 years, so he knows his stuff, and I know that's his honest opinion because he's known me even longer and doesn't even try to sell me spandex.
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Jul 24, 2016 11:31
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Jedit posted:Thanks all who answered. The reason I asked was because I asked the same question at my FLCS and the owner stuck up for Austen as an adequate writer crippled by editorial intervention. This is a guy who has read every major run from the Big Two as part of his job the last 17 years, so he knows his stuff, and I know that's his honest opinion because he's known me even longer and doesn't even try to sell me spandex. Editorial made Chuck Austen tell everyone Nightcrawler had two dicks, and editorial demanded a scene where Angel hosed a 16 year old girl in midair in front of her family. Gotcha.
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Begemot posted:The best part is how his career is bookended with baseball porn. He's also a producer on Steven Universe now.
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Dr. Hurt posted:He's also a producer on Steven Universe now. I cannot begin to explain how jarring it is to see his name at the end of such a fun, sweet show....
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Jul 24, 2016 16:28
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Jedit posted:the owner stuck up for Austen as an adequate writer crippled by editorial intervention. This is a guy who has read every major run from the Big Two as part of his job the last 17 years, so he knows his stuff This is one case where he is unambiguously wrong. I don't think Austen is the worst writer who ever lived from a technical standpoint (i.e-- he understands the basics of narrative structure, plotting, and pacing) but his sensibilities are puerile, juvenile, and basically speak to the mindset of a guy whose creative sensibilities are retarded to a thirteen year-old's level. When he's working with an individual project of "original characters do not steal" it's just very unpleasant, but when he's working with established characters the whole stew turns rancid really really quickly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmLHTtmGgIg A Chuck Austen project completely independent of the Big Two (that somehow stretched to 3 seasons and a movie...) choobs posted:I cannot begin to explain how jarring it is to see his name at the end of such a fun, sweet show.... To be fair "producer" can mean anything from "just draws a paycheck on it" to "calls up the production team every Tuesday to make sure they're working" to "co-ordinates getting groceries for the animators when they're in crunch-time" to "is actually involved in the creative end of the show in any way."
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FilthyImp posted:IS that the ending cinematic to the terrible JLA fighting game? No. It's the beginning of the best JLA run and y'all who haven't read it should be ashamed for not reading it. Also mullet superman is the best superman.
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mind the walrus posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmLHTtmGgIg Holllly christ. It just gets worse and worse every second you watch it.
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That's a consistent flaw with every Chuck Austen work. I'd argue it's more of a defining trait than his weird focus on adolescent conceptions of sex. If you just pass over you think "that's not that great but I don't get the hate." Then you read it. And the more you read it, the more each awful choice piles up until you're legitimately worried about the mental health of the man who put this to paper, and baffled that somewhere his bosses signed off on this thinking someone else would pay for it, then even further vexed that clearly someone out there did.
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Travis343 posted:Editorial made Chuck Austen tell everyone Nightcrawler had two dicks, and editorial demanded a scene where Angel hosed a 16 year old girl in midair in front of her family. Gotcha. Not to mention having She-Hulk sleep with the Juggernaut, bringing back the "Hank Pym is a wife beater" plot that no one anywhere wanted to see dragged up again, and the horror that was Nurse Annie.
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For the longest time I was getting Chuck Austen mixed up with Terry Austin, who used to ink John Byrne's work on XMEN, and I was wondering "what was so bad about Terry Austin and when did he start writing?" Because Terry Austin was really great and Byrne's work never looked better.
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John Byrne is weird in his own way, I think my favorite crazy Byrne story related to a run I was reading was him just deciding he wanted Donna Troy in Wonder Woman again and loving over Ron Marz on Green Lantern. To the point they had to retrofit issues to make it work when they never planned to.quote:"The one real pain in the rear end was having Donna Troy yanked out of the book because John Byrne wanted her in 'Wonder Woman' and wouldn't share. Our issues were already done, and we had to go back and retrofit Donna's departure into them, so to me it came off as rushed and half-assed. We'd spent a couple of years building the relationship between Donna and Kyle, and I felt it was really unfair to the readers who had invested themselves in it to have it end so abruptly. And, unfortunately, nothing of consequence was ever done with Donna in 'Wonder Woman' anyway. The thing he used Donna for was Dark Angel, the event where all of her character was torn out so she could be reverted to Teen Titans Donna except not really and it was dumb and weird.
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BiggerBoat posted:For the longest time I was getting Chuck Austen mixed up with Terry Austin, who used to ink John Byrne's work on XMEN, and I was wondering "what was so bad about Terry Austin and when did he start writing?" Because Terry Austin was really great and Byrne's work never looked better. I believe Terry Austin did do some writing in the late 1980s and early 1990s on the Cloak and Dagger comic - it wasn't anything risible but it wasn't especially good. Pretty boilerplate stuff.
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Onmi posted:except not really and it was dumb and weird. Practically Donna Troy's subtitle.  and I really liked her with Kyle too.
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Onmi posted:John Byrne is weird in his own way, I think my favorite crazy Byrne story related to a run I was reading was him just deciding he wanted Donna Troy in Wonder Woman again and loving over Ron Marz on Green Lantern. To the point they had to retrofit issues to make it work when they never planned to. You mean to tell me that John Byrne was a dick? Pull the other one.
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She-Hulk sleeping with Juggernaut is like the least offensive thing Chuck Austen ever did.
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mind the walrus posted:Practically Donna Troy's subtitle. As did I, some of the best moments of the run were moments they shared, and hell when Marz returned to write the Ion Maxi, they were amazing in that as well. Yeah it was being stupidly done to set up Countdown but hey, Nothing in the world is perfect... You can really tell Marz liked writing them the best (beyond him flat out having said that) because of how he writes them. Now on topic and on-thread, going through my old Marz issues  Jim Starlin, you are not a bad artist, I do not understand why Kyle Rayner looks like that. It's weird because I'd say everything else in the issue looks fine. 
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Rhyno posted:You mean to tell me that John Byrne was a dick? You are Nightcrawler and I claim my £5.
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Selachian posted:Not to mention having She-Hulk sleep with the Juggernaut, bringing back the "Hank Pym is a wife beater" plot that no one anywhere wanted to see dragged up again, and the horror that was Nurse Annie. Am I the only one whose reaction to Nurse Annie was apathy?
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Am I the only one whose reaction to Nurse Annie was apathy? Nope. I don't understand the vitriol, really, I found her just boring as gently caress, which is bad, but not as bad as the rest of Austen's run.
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BiggerBoat posted:For the longest time I was getting Chuck Austen mixed up with Terry Austin, who used to ink John Byrne's work on XMEN, and I was wondering "what was so bad about Terry Austin and when did he start writing?" Because Terry Austin was really great and Byrne's work never looked better. Byrne & Austin...  It was interesting to look at stuff that Austin penciled so you could try to tease apart what each of them contributed to the finished product. As much as I devoured Byrne's stuff back in the seventies/early eighties I found his self-inked stuff couldn't compare to the work done with the few inkers who really made him shine, like Austin. At my one and only comic book convention back around 1980 I got to watch Byrne do drawings from scratch, just sitting at a little table with his paper and pencil and it was amazing watching characters emerge from a blank sheet. He was at the top of his game.
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Dick Trauma posted:Byrne & Austin... It's no secret that I am Byrne hater #1 but it has little to do with his talent. He's just such a loving rear end in a top hat that it bled over onto his work for me. Now that said, he was among my favorite artists when I got started reading comics. His work on the FF and Superman was unmatched in my eyes. I'd say his Wonder Woman run is where his work really started to fall apart and he was never able to recover after that.
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Yeah based on what I've seen I'd say Byrne peaked with X-Men and FF. His work got noticeably worse somehow and it had nothing to do with me thinking he was an rear end in a top hat. You could just see it. Austin inked his FF stuff too didn't he or was that just the covers?
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Rhyno posted:I'd say his Wonder Woman run is where his work really started to fall apart and he was never able to recover after that.
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redbackground posted:I mean, props to him for writing and illustrating every single issue of that run (35 issues or so), but you could tell the finesse just wasn't there anymore. That was when he decided he was a skilled graphic designer and was creating backgrounds on his computer and boy howdy did those look terrible.
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I feel like Byrne had said everyone he really had to say after he was done on Superman - you know, like that was what he'd gotten into comics for? Sure, there's the story about how Marvel buying DC or licensing its characters was a very real prospect at one point in the 1980s and as soon as Byrne heard about it he was in Shooter's office with his Superman pitch. I think being praised as the guy who successfully redefined Superman (in the mainstream press to) was what caused him to develop his now-notorious attitude that he and only he knows how certain characters should be written, or at least exacerbated it, as you see in stuff like West Coast Avengers and Doom Patrol when he had them. Anyway, on topic, my first exposure to Byrne was when he was penciller for Gail Simone's run on Superman (stories with Queen of Fables, Livewire, Doctor Polaris and Black Adam come to mind) and I thought his art was a bit ugly-looking. I was honestly surprised by how good his 1980s work on X-Me , FF, Superman, Alpha Flght etc. was when I eventually went back and read those.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I feel like Byrne had said everyone he really had to say after he was done on Superman - you know, like that was what he'd gotten into comics for? Sure, there's the story about how Marvel buying DC or licensing its characters was a very real prospect at one point in the 1980s and as soon as Byrne heard about it he was in Shooter's office with his Superman pitch. Even him leaving was a bit of a dick move as he had Superman kill Zod and co, and left the aftermath to the next writer.
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bobkatt013 posted:Even him leaving was a bit of a dick move as he had Superman kill Zod and co, and left the aftermath to the next writer.
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Wheat Loaf posted:
He's been inking himself, badly, since the mid-late '90s.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:He's been inking himself, badly, since the mid-late '90s. Was he inking himself on Next Men? I think that's where he went off the rails.
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This page stuck out to me in the newest Doctor Fate issue that came out today
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Dang. Jack Davis died. Loved his work in Mad and Creepy. It was always fun seeing his art on tons of albums in the record store. Just an instantly recognizable style. One of my favorite records.  and anther one from the stacks...  Love how the song titles are represented in the art.
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Hey a little help, was this Alex Ross design ever actually used in a comic?
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Rhyno posted:Hey a little help, was this Alex Ross design ever actually used in a comic? I found this Greg Land panel where he's wearing it. 
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Rhyno posted:Hey a little help, was this Alex Ross design ever actually used in a comic? That's from Ross's proposed 2000 redesign of the X-Men, right? I don't believe they were ever used.
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Selachian posted:That's from Ross's proposed 2000 redesign of the X-Men, right? I don't believe they were ever used. That's what I thought. Was it maybe used in X-Men the End?
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It wasn't exactly the same, but pretty clearly inspired by it.
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Endless Mike posted:It wasn't exactly the same, but pretty clearly inspired by it. Sean Chen is not a good artist.
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So perfect for this thread!
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I wonder if that Exiles arc where there was like a billion Wolverines had that version as a cameo somewhere in a group shot.
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