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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Oh, I missed the minus sign there

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necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost
Just listed my house FSBO in a stupidly low inventory market with higher demand than last year. In a weird series of bad and good luck, I got it nearly 10% under the market rate at the time so there's basically no way I'll lose money on this house even though I bought it last May. This alone is enough for me to think that I should sell though (way, way too irrational buyers here). Let's see how much religion will enter my life. Most of the people along my street have been putting up real estate signs and getting motivated, all-cash buyers within 24 hours (most homeowners are retirees here which distorts pricing).

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Supposed to close tomorrow the 19th. Let's see what kind of stupid paperwork my lender can request from me today at the last minute!

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)

QuarkJets posted:

What's your loan amount? 1.25 points means that you're paying 1.25% of the loan amount as an additional fee up front. If your loan amount is greater than $75840, then the 203k option you've shown here is actually going to cost you more than the Fannie May option.

IIRC 203k loans usually require you to submit contractor bids for whatever rehab work you want done, and usually they come with some additional loan reserve so that you're borrowing a fair bit more than what you'd need to just pay off the old note. This means that your loan amount is actually higher as a 203k loan than it would be under the Fannie May loan, which means the points cost more and your payments will be larger.

Loan amount is 200k. But yeah, it's -1.25 points, so i'd be getting money back. I actually called the broker, and he says there's a mandatory 1.75% mortgage insurance premium i'd have to pay with FHA loans?

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

Mister Fister posted:

Loan amount is 200k. But yeah, it's -1.25 points, so i'd be getting money back. I actually called the broker, and he says there's a mandatory 1.75% mortgage insurance premium i'd have to pay with FHA loans?
That is the up front fee, and then the monthly is 75-105bp or something like that. I'd look at non-FHA personally.

Captain Windex
Apr 10, 2005
It'll clean anything.
Pillbug

Mister Fister posted:

Loan amount is 200k. But yeah, it's -1.25 points, so i'd be getting money back. I actually called the broker, and he says there's a mandatory 1.75% mortgage insurance premium i'd have to pay with FHA loans?

There's also an annual MI premium you'd have to pay of either 0.45% or 0.70% depending on your LTV. Since you didn't mention conventional MI I assume you're 80% or less so 0.45%.

Edit: the annual premiums dropped early this year so less expensive than Sigma's range, but still makes FHA undesirable in this situation.

Captain Windex fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jul 18, 2016

gtkor
Feb 21, 2011

I'd probably recommend the Fannie Mae program as likely an easier to close, less restrictive option assuming your debt to income is suitable. FHA programs do tend to have a few more rules and may not underwrite as quickly as a conventional loan would.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Lender/underwriter couldn't get their poo poo together so they moved our closing to wednesday. All over one piece of paper they could have had a month ago but decided to wait till friday at 3pm to ask for.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Appraisal went through, planned close date is the 27th. I can't wait to see what could go wrong in the next 8 days!

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Kirios posted:

Appraisal went through, planned close date is the 27th. I can't wait to see what could go wrong in the next 8 days!

Why would you express this temptation to the universe at large?

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

VendaGoat posted:

Why would you express this temptation to the universe at large?

Presumably, if something goes wrong enough he can escape the decision that got him here to begin with.

moana
Jun 18, 2005

one of the more intellectual satire communities on the web
Just closed a refinance through goodmortgage, hurray for a 3.5% 30 yr fixed loan! And we built a compost bin! Winning all around :)

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Hey I don't really understand composting. I garden a lot. Should I compost? Is it a pain in the rear end?

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.

QuarkJets posted:

Hey I don't really understand composting. I garden a lot. Should I compost? Is it a pain in the rear end?

Throw vegetable matter in a pile and let it rot. Stir the pile occasionally so the microbes get onto new food. In the spring dig out all the fully rotten matter that's now uber nutrient rich dirt and spread on gardens before you plant things. Rinse wash repeat.

It reduces your outgoing waste and makes where you spread the humus more fertile for planting. If you're already doing some gardening then composting is getting free fertilizer for your gardens. If you're not already gardening, a vegetable garden that works well is pretty GWM because you can get lots of food per $ spent on gardening.

LogisticEarth
Mar 28, 2004

Someone once told me, "Time is a flat circle".

Dwight Eisenhower posted:

Throw vegetable matter in a pile and let it rot. Stir the pile occasionally so the microbes get onto new food. In the spring dig out all the fully rotten matter that's now uber nutrient rich dirt and spread on gardens before you plant things. Rinse wash repeat.

It's not quite that simple to do it correctly. You need to make sure the pile gets hot enough to complete the composting process, and hopefully cook any seeds (especially weeds) that you have in the waste. Otherwise you'll essentially end up pre-seeding your garden with a bunch of stuff you don't want. It's not super complicated. I'm phone posting right now but a simple Google search should turn up a bunch of good guides.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




The underwriter wants a second opinion on the appraisal... I'm guessing because of the comps. They didn't even give me a full day of feeling good about this process!

moana
Jun 18, 2005

one of the more intellectual satire communities on the web

QuarkJets posted:

Hey I don't really understand composting. I garden a lot. Should I compost? Is it a pain in the rear end?
Not a pain in the rear end if you're already heading outside every day to water/garden. I keep an empty yogurt container near my sink and toss all my food waste in there instead of the trash, then take it out to the bin every morning (no meat stuff, that will not compost well and attracts pests). Grass clippings and leaves go in there too. Every so often you sprinkle it with water and turn the compost over to mix it. I used to have a worm compost bin I made out of rubbermaid containers, and that works great too if you want something smaller.

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

I'm supposed to close on Monday. I called my closing agent today to ask where my commitment was and got a voicemail saying he was out of the office until Monday. Got ahold of someone else at the office who told me that the paperwork is on its way to the closing service and we might not get a final number until Monday morning. What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Sperg Victorious
Mar 25, 2011
Our number changed daily. You might as well bring your checkbook anyways. Even at our closing, the disclosure was a few dollars off. So we had to wait 30 minutes for the bank to clear it, while we all are more than a few bucks in candy.

You'd think the closing attorney's time would be worth more than that.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.
After abandoning our plans to move to the PNW (missed the job boat in my field there and decided we really weren't a good fit for the area and also :lol: at property prices) I have been given the option to take a job transfer to Utah which would be a huge career move for me. After talking it over we've decided to go for it and plan on buying a starter home there once we've settled there and rented something for six months to a year to make sure we want to stay, which puts us at buying a house in the next 2-2.5 years. After reading this thread front to back I'm still brain damaged enough to want to purchase a house so here's our plan, feel free to poke holes in it:

Right now we have $34k in savings earmarked for a house downpayment, with a separate $15k oh poo poo fund. We're on track to save around $1500 per month for the next two years, possibly more but we're going with conservative numbers because poo poo happens. So that puts us at having a $70k downpayment saved up by the time we start house hunting assuming nothing financially ruinous happens between now and late 2018. The move will be paid for by my company so we don't have to factor in moving costs. $15k oh poo poo fund should stay about the same or grow a bit. We may get some help from our parents as a gift and I may get a bonus for accepting the job transfer and should get a COL wage increase but we are not banking on any of those happening.

Our budget is $300k max which will get us a nice standard 2000 sq ft suburban home, so that only requires a $60k 20% downpayment leaving us $10k for extra bullshit like closing costs and inspections and whatnot. Based on a preliminary Zillow search we like houses in the $250k-$290k range so in all likelihood we won't go over our max budget unless we get into a bidding war. This area doesn't seem to be a hot housing market so I don't foresee that happening, but I don't have a crystal ball.

Property taxes in our target area (just south of Salt Lake City) are 1.098% so we're not going to get blindsided by ridiculous taxes. Nothing exciting happens weather-wise in that area of Utah and we've got a big enough budget to live in a nice low crime area so insurance shouldn't be too bad but I have not priced it out. Is there a way to get homeowners insurance estimates without being in the process of buying a specific house?

We currently live in a house the same size as what we'd like to buy so we've got a good handle on how much utilities should cost and how much upkeep it requires. Our rent currently is about the same as what we'd pay monthly for a mortgage + taxes.

We currently rent our house so we don't have to deal with house selling costs.

We have no debt apart from one car payment which should be paid off by the time we get a mortgage. No credit card debt or student loans. We both have excellent credit. We have access to both Navy Federal and USAA when it comes time to get a mortgage.

We have no kids and no plans for kids.

The only snag I foresee is that we will be dropping from a close to $200k combined income to $130k combined income since my husband wants to switch to a new career field that will put him back at entry level salary for a while. By no means does this put us in the poor house but we'll probably have to re-budget our general life budget a bit.

What are we missing?

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.

Aquatic Giraffe posted:

Our budget is $300k max which will get us a nice standard 2000 sq ft suburban home, so that only requires a $60k 20% downpayment leaving us $10k for extra bullshit like closing costs and inspections and whatnot. Based on a preliminary Zillow search we like houses in the $250k-$290k range so in all likelihood we won't go over our max budget unless we get into a bidding war. This area doesn't seem to be a hot housing market so I don't foresee that happening, but I don't have a crystal ball.

Bidding wars have exclusively willing participants. Don't be a willing participant. You can always find another house.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

Dwight Eisenhower posted:

Bidding wars have exclusively willing participants. Don't be a willing participant. You can always find another house.

Yeah in our cursory look there were 5 or 6 on the market we'd be happy with so making the assumption the housing market stays about the same for the next couple years I don't think that's gonna be an issue.

Drunk Tomato
Apr 23, 2010

If God wanted us sober,
He'd knock the glass over.

Aquatic Giraffe posted:

Yeah in our cursory look there were 5 or 6 on the market we'd be happy with so making the assumption the housing market stays about the same for the next couple years I don't think that's gonna be an issue.

Hey, congrats on deciding to leave the hellhole that is the Seattle real estate market.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

Drunk Tomato posted:

Hey, congrats on deciding to leave the hellhole that is the Seattle real estate market.

We bailed before we were even in it. When we put together our plan we realized it was too big of a financial risk so we stayed put in a holding pattern till something better came along.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Aquatic Giraffe posted:

What are we missing?

You seem fine so far, but from what I've heard of Utah, you either love it or hate it. A lot of people can't get over how everything is influenced by the Mormon church, and I hear the air pollution can sometimes be pretty terrible by Salt Lake City because there's no where for the air to go. I'd wait until you live there for a few months before going over all of the calculations. Even then, realize that you will need to live there for a long time before buying makes sense financially.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.
I used to live in Waco, TX so I've lived somewhere with culture heavily influenced by the local religion before and didn't really mind. At first I found conversation openers of "where do you go to church" a little offputting but got used to it after a while. We're not particularly religious but we're not the type to look down on people who are either. We have quite a few practicing Mormon friends we get along with pretty well, too, so Mormons aren't a completely foreign culture to us. I have a good friend who went to BYU and I've been picking her brain about the area as well since we'd be living and working closer to Provo than SLC.

If we move (it's still an if, haven't committed yet) we plan to stay for a long time unless we absolutely hate it. On paper it all seems perfect but we won't know for sure till we get out there.

The Kestrel
Dec 16, 2013

Kirios posted:

Appraisal went through, planned close date is the 27th. I can't wait to see what could go wrong in the next 8 days!

Our appraisal came out to be exactly the price we paid. Great use of $273.

Moving out tomorrow. Moving in on Tuesday... Hooray for mismatched closing dates.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost
Holy strong seller's market, Batman, for-sale-by-owner with crap-to-nonexistent marketing and cash-only offer in 7 days of listing.

OhDearGodNo
Jan 3, 2014

necrobobsledder posted:

Holy strong seller's market, Batman, for-sale-by-owner with crap-to-nonexistent marketing and cash-only offer in 7 days of listing.

Had a house that fit come up Saturday night at about 9pm.

I texted my agent 36 minutes after listing on Redfin.

We did a visit at 10am Sunday, and the house was sharp. Had a mini bar, tap, and pool table that conveyed.

We left and the selling agent mentioned they had 8 showings scheduled that day.

That afternoon we put an offer for list price and half closing, and still lost. Out of the 8, there were 6 offers (plus mine making 7).

Thankfully, this was a last minute (floating while waiting for a counter to my primary choice which I ended up getting in contract)

It's definitely a seller's market. Shy of short sales and horribly-kept shithouses homes are being bought in goes to days in my area.

Sperg Victorious
Mar 25, 2011
Things have slowed down a bit in the areas we were shopping in. Everyone said it was because of school registration issues if you ended up closing after a certain date.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
We're in contract again, but this time as sellers. Selling north of Seattle. The accepted offer is just shy of 40% more than we paid in 2010, although we did redo the roof and a bathroom before selling. Crossing my fingers that nothing crazy comes up in inspection. I'm surprised how stressful things are as a seller, even in a hot market.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost

OhDearGodNo posted:

It's definitely a seller's market. Shy of short sales and horribly-kept shithouses homes are being bought in goes to days in my area.
Which area? I'm not even in a real metro area (Asheville, NC) and I was a bit worried that with the lowest median incomes in the state and the highest median house prices I'd be facing an uphill battle unless I dropped my pricing near what I bought for last year despite the rest of the market being up 15%+ over last year. Jobs are still crap here and the average person aged 25 - 34 here typically makes $1500 / mo and has poo poo for savings so their price range is maybe half of the value of my house. Among the 34 - 45 crowd, they almost always have 2+ kids so 3 bedrooms and under 2000 sq ft doesn't work anymore either. My showings showed this schism perfectly. Then along came a really unusual retiree. I don't think I've seen anyone as excited to move into a house as her.

Strange enough, someone called me up randomly with a really low cash offer but if you're actually serious with that much cash you could just take out a mortgage and come in with a stronger offer. Guess investors are looking for rental properties or something because around here people looking below $200k tend to need a mortgage.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
I always though zEstimates were bullshit, but this house near me is listed on Redfin for $585k:

https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/6609-Holly-Pl-SW-98136/home/152388

And if you look at it on Zillow, the zEstimate is $544k:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6609-Holly-Pl-SW-Seattle-WA-98136/49048837_zpid/


I'll keep tracking it to see if it actually sells for that number or gets dropped down. Housing prices are dumb.

Irritated Goat
Mar 12, 2005

This post is pathetic.
I sent my last bit of necessary pre-sale paperwork in for my mortgage and my loan officer(?) goes "Why doesn't the seller want to just close early?" so I might be getting my house before mid-August :supaburn:

There's a "discounted" tax weekend coming up so that's when I get to buy a fridge, sofa, new bed, and a small desk since I'm not carting my POS from my apartment. Time for fun with budgeting and deliveries and getting services moved. :gbsmith:

PitViper
May 25, 2003

Welcome and thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart!
I love you!
Any suggestions on getting a reappraisal done in order to remove PMI? State law says I have the right to pay for a new appraisal, and as long as the new appraised amount puts me at 80% LTV I can have PMI knocked off early. The last few sales of comparable homes in my immediate neighborhood tell me that I've gotten a 30-40% increase in sale price now vs what I paid.

I could check with my mortgage servicer, but I doubt BoA is interested in helping me pay $70 less every month. I still have the contact info for our original appraiser, but I was wondering if anyone here has done this and had any tips for smoothing the process.

gtkor
Feb 21, 2011

It actually probably isn't a bad idea to contact BoA just to see if there are any specific guidelines to be aware of. Unless it is a privately held mortgage, they are not likely making money off the PMI, so they might not really stand in your way. Depending on the program or location you might be able to get away with different things (an appraisal vs a recertification of value -which is cheaper).

antiga
Jan 16, 2013

If your mortgage is held by Fannie Mae or a similar agency, read the guidelines for cancelling PMI. There is often a seasoning requirement if you're getting the new appraisal based on market price appreciation. If you have a FHA mortgage the rules will differ.

May still be doable but educate yourself and don't blindly go by what the lender says. They don't care if you waste money on an appraisal.

balancedbias
May 2, 2009
$$$$$$$$$

antiga posted:

read the guidelines for cancelling PMI. There is often a seasoning requirement if you're getting the new appraisal based on market price appreciation. If you have a FHA mortgage the rules will differ.

Can't emphasize this enough. Know your loan parameters inside and out. Know the exact number you would need the house to be valued at, or how much you would have to pay down. You can use both to your advantage if the circumstances are right. If it's FHA, I hope it was originated before the most recent changes. Their version of PMI is now permanent; you'd have to refinance into a conventional loan.

MeruFM
Jul 27, 2010
Is there any reason to pay over the normal mortgage if you expect to get returns higher than the mortgage interest in other places?

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gtkor
Feb 21, 2011

MeruFM posted:

Is there any reason to pay over the normal mortgage if you expect to get returns higher than the mortgage interest in other places?

If you are focused on maximizing your return, you should do whatever it is with your money that maximizes your return. That is of course simplistic, but you are going to know your tolerance for risk, and where paying down a mortgage falls under that wider financial umbrella.

There are the typical reasons you would expect as far as trying to get to owning a home free and clear, but again it is all part of the bigger picture. I know I wouldn't be paying down a loan that is on a fixed term faster than the payment schedule, if i felt confident my money would get a better rate of return elsewhere.

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