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1500quidporsche posted:McLaren and Nando will be the 2017 champions, you can toxx me now
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Powershift posted:Now if only they could get an engine that could last a race, they could start finishing 5th. one of the points they make in the article is that they have to compromise downforce in order to reduce drag and make up for the limits of the honda engine. the chassis itself is on par with ferrari despite them intentionally designing it to be technically worse than it could be. which is hilarious. so if they had a faster engine they would be gaining much more speed than just that added HP.
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Jul 27, 2016 16:55
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wicka posted:one of the points they make in the article is that they have to compromise downforce in order to reduce drag and make up for the limits of the honda engine. the chassis itself is on par with ferrari despite them intentionally designing it to be technically worse than it could be. which is hilarious. so if they had a faster engine they would be gaining much more speed than just that added HP. The irony here being honda's lack of investment in their road car engines being felt in F1, polar opposite of what happened to ford.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:03
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wicka posted:one of the points they make in the article is that they have to compromise downforce in order to reduce drag and make up for the limits of the honda engine. the chassis itself is on par with ferrari despite them intentionally designing it to be technically worse than it could be. which is hilarious. so if they had a faster engine they would be gaining much more speed than just that added HP. They're arguably in the best shape going into 2017 because every team is going to have to strike some compromise due to the fuel flow limits and bigger cars. Its not going to be a case of stapling on as much down force as you can find anymore.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:09
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1500quidporsche posted:They're arguably in the best shape going into 2017 because every team is going to have to strike some compromise due to the fuel flow limits and bigger cars. Its not going to be a case of stapling on as much down force as you can find anymore. I don't see how wider tires that can last a whole race will benefit lovely engines. Mercedes will run the board in 2017 bankrupting manor, sauber and hass forcing sweeping changes in 2018 making room for at least 4 chinese teams. You can quote me on this
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Jul 27, 2016 17:22
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Powershift posted:I don't see how wider tires that can last a whole race will benefit lovely engines. Honda can fix their engine in 2017 and the fuel flow regs are going to actually come into significance now that the cars are big enough to cause a significant amount of drag. McLaren are the only team who have had to play that balancing act this year.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:30
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1500quidporsche posted:Honda can fix their engine in 2017 and the fuel flow regs are going to actually come into significance now that the cars are big enough to cause a significant amount of drag. McLaren are the only team who have had to play that balancing act this year. If Honda could fix their engines in 2017, they would in 2016. its Toyota redux.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:37
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They can't because of the token system. They know exactly what the issue is, the turbo is too small and stuck in the vee of the engine. That's gone for 2017, thus its reasonable to expect a step forward from them.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:45
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if piitting the race leader or setting record sector times under yellow are 10 second penalties, running a 3 liter v12 should only be 15 seconds
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Jul 27, 2016 17:57
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Powershift posted:I don't see how wider tires that can last a whole race will benefit lovely engines. wow its almost like there are 30 other changes you're completely unaware of
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Jul 27, 2016 18:01
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Powershift posted:I don't see how wider tires that can last a whole race will benefit lovely engines. They're axing the token system for next year so Honda is going to clean sheet their engine to fix the big problems they know about but can't fix (tiny block, tiny turbo, tiny ERS), and then finally use their brand new billion dollar engine facility to build an actual working dyno, and start 24/7 R&D. McLaren 2017 WCC Nando 2017 WDC Button 2017 MWDC (for Williams)
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Jul 27, 2016 18:09
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wicka posted:yeah and he has three kids and i'm p sure they lived in the UK with his wife and splitting his time between there and maranello really was not working. they once considered the idea of opening a UK design office but i believe it was shot down by marchionne. Lol jesus. One of Enzo's last acts was to let John Barnard work in a design office in the UK and the result was the Ferrari 640.
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Jul 27, 2016 18:14
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Alain Post posted:Lol jesus. One of Enzo's last acts was to let John Barnard work in a design office in the UK and the result was the Ferrari 640. The parallels between that era and the current Ferrari are pretty remarkable. I'm half expecting Vettel to drive a flaming Ferrari into the pitbox before this season is over.
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Jul 27, 2016 18:19
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1500quidporsche posted:The parallels between that era and the current Ferrari are pretty remarkable. I'm half expecting Vettel to drive a flaming Ferrari into the pitbox before this season is over. Kimi had fire out his airbox already!
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Jul 27, 2016 18:27
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Norns posted:Kimi had fire out his airbox already! That was more him being too hungover to notice rather than a poignant criticism of the team's performance.
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Jul 27, 2016 18:31
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aequalis posted:There are a lot more cleverer/funnier/funningest posters in the Worst Thread than me, so how bout a good ol' fashioned Caption Contest? The irony of this image is still cracking me up.  "Vell, mein Furer I have great news. In zee futcha, a decedent of zis very car vill bring Mercedes multiple Vorld Champships! But...um..." "But vhat!? Vhat iz zee problem!?" "I..I'm afraid to say, mein Furer"
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Jul 27, 2016 18:54
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Calling it now, James Allison to Renault.
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Jul 27, 2016 18:59
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Ahahahah now FCA is under investigation for overstating sales all the way back to 2013.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:03
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Ferrari should beg Aldo Costa to come back.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:11
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About FCA's sales reporting practice posted:...there appears to be no objective methodology for establishing and maintaining such a reserve and thus several plausible values exist for such a reserve. To the extent that the methodology historically used does not yield a unique value, the outcome is inherently arbitrary. hahahahahaha it's like they don't actually know how many cars they've sold, so they just go "uuhhhhh, it was THIS MANY"
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Jul 27, 2016 19:14
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If Marchione does get in any trouble for this, which will probably be a black mark on his name at the most. it won't be for loving up the figures. It will be for being sat in the third rear wing designer's office listening in on a report about carbon fibre weight while this story was dropping.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:43
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He was an accountant and is the CEO signing off on this poo poo. I can assure you if they were messing with the figures and it appears even remotely intentional somebody will loving nail him to the wall for this.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:50
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MustardFacial posted:
That literally reads as though Ron wrote it.
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Jul 27, 2016 20:00
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1500quidporsche posted:He was an accountant and is the CEO signing off on this poo poo. I can assure you if they were messing with the figures and it appears even remotely intentional somebody will loving nail him to the wall for this. At this point I honestly think he has been given copies of the photographs Kimi has. The oddest part of this for me and the part I can't get my head around, is that he does not even have the racing part of Montezemolo's job. Arrivabene is supposed to have that, and yet it seems that at no point has Arrivabene been allowed to do that job and is instead called "team principal". He could legitimately appoint Brawn to the role and still be in charge of the Ferrari's racing division. Let the nice man who has been in the sport since 1981 and on the FIA world council since the 1990s have a go already and gently caress off back to selling cars will you you fuzzy jumpered chunt.
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Jul 27, 2016 20:30
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1500quidporsche posted:He was an accountant and is the CEO signing off on this poo poo. I can assure you if they were messing with the figures and it appears even remotely intentional somebody will loving nail him to the wall for this. Totally agree with you. There is no way he didn't know that wasn't going on, just like with the VW Diesel Scandal, all the higher ups know. How else does one think they got away with this poo poo for years?
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Jul 27, 2016 21:03
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Any news on the kidnapping? Is Bernie bringing the offer down to a 100 bucks?
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Jul 27, 2016 21:04
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That lady is really loving stupid to live in Sao Paolo without having 5 bodyguards on her at all times.
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Jul 27, 2016 21:06
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Monza on the calander for the next 4 years! I kinda wish they would alternate with Imola. But whatever. At least we still have an Italian GP.
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Jul 27, 2016 21:30
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GramCracker posted:Totally agree with you. There is no way he didn't know that wasn't going on, just like with the VW Diesel Scandal, all the higher ups know. How else does one think they got away with this poo poo for years? Its not only that but the one thing that was drilled into my head in university is that there's zero sympathy or tolerance if you start loving around with financial statements since Enron. You can do all the lovely deals you want and screw the consumer two weeks over but the second you overstate earnings, undervalue liabilities or play game with asset depreciation you're going to be hosed to the full extent of the law possible.
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Jul 27, 2016 21:33
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Is Monza giving any concessions to Bernie other than more money?
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Jul 27, 2016 21:33
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When I first heard the kidnapping story on the radio, I missed the "-in-law" part and was concerned for the folks foolish enough to abduct the baba yaga.
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Jul 27, 2016 21:36
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Run imola as the european or back to being the san marino gp or for comedy value Luxembourg
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The Croc posted:Run imola as the european or back to being the san marino gp or for comedy value Luxembourg But the glorious European state of Azerbaijan which is in Europe is already hosting the European grand prix.
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Jul 27, 2016 23:06
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Farmland Park posted:But the glorious European state of Azerbaijan which is in Europe is already hosting the European grand prix. Then it need to run imola as the European actually in europe grand prix
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Jul 27, 2016 23:21
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West Europe GP in Imola and East Europe GP in Baku, easy fix.
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Jul 28, 2016 00:13
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Or just call it the San Marino GP like they used to.
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Jul 28, 2016 00:14
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Is Italy really Europe? I mean Greece pretty much isn't. England obviously isn't. Maybe it could just be the Mediterranean GP.
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Jul 28, 2016 00:32
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Is Italy really Europe? I mean Greece pretty much isn't. England obviously isn't. Maybe it could just be the Mediterranean GP. Sounds p cool IMO
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Jul 28, 2016 00:48
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MustardFacial posted:hahahahahaha it's like they don't actually know how many cars they've sold, so they just go "uuhhhhh, it was THIS MANY" This sounds extremely Italian
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Is Italy really Europe? I mean Greece pretty much isn't. England obviously isn't. Maybe it could just be the Mediterranean GP. Well, we did have Pacific GP, so why not Mediterranean or Adriatic?
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