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This is where that thing called "situational awareness" really comes into play in this game, Pay attention to your team mates, who they pick and what they're doing and things will go well. Or just play for yourself, your K/D, your POTG and your team will fail every time. On that note, playing a goon 6 man comp last night, we got pitched against the same team twice. A team rocking a brutal reaper/zarya/junkrat combo that either kept us pinned away from the point, flanked the ever-living-poo poo out of us or just steamrolled over us walking up the middle of the road. We had won our first 3 games as well so to lose the next two so brutally to them was a huge kick in the morale. Someone kept yelling at the rest of us to avoid chasing Reaper but, any time we did and instead focused on the point to try and reclaim it, Reaper would just come in behind us and wreck house. Most accurate Reaper/Junkrat team I've ever come across in my miniscule 40 or so hours of playing. LCL-Dead fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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The only way to improve is to be honest with your self-reflection and not constantly blame other people. When you lose, don't immediately jump to your 'bad team' as an excuse, even if they were bad, you have to ask yourself: "What exactly could I have done better?" This mentality, incidentally, is a one that really good, skilful people in all disciplines tend to take and part of the reason why they're the best is because they think that way.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:48
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D.Va isn't capable of fighting Mei at all. Being frozen immediately reduces your momentum to 0 so she can't even fly away. Improving her time-to-freeze would make her really miserable to fight against for everyone else, not just D.Va.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:50
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I solo'd some Comp before gooning up and ran into a guy like that. He constantly complained about the team and then bitched at me for using Pharah on a KOTH map (?!!!?). So I calmly replied that I was gold in elims/damage and objective time and that he should step his game up. He replied, "I'm gold in elims! You're not gold!" to which the entire team scolded him like a redheaded step child for being an idiot. He didn't card or anything in the end but 3 of us did, despite losing.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:51
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:actually he was a marginal pick before this patch and pretty much rock bottom tier now Yeah, that is what I mean. Her damage i slow but her CC isn't strong enough to make up for that, but I think the solution is buffing her CC, not her damage.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:52
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Make her freeze people faster? No. You already have almost zero chance of escape (unless you're genji/Tracer/Reaper) if she gets that beam on you for more than 1.5 seconds. Buff her rate of fire to something that happens more than once every 2.5 seconds.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:55
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LCL-Dead posted:You already have almost zero chance of escape (unless you're genji/Tracer/Reaper) if she gets that beam on you for more than 1.5 seconds. If you think this you absolutely suck at Tracer, and probably at those other heroes too, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with them because I have less experience in those matchups. Pull range, shoot her in the head. Your rewind resets freeze status and is basically a get-out-of-jail free card that you shouldn't really even need to use because you have blinks to stay out of the zone where she can freeze you in the first place. You're more likely to die to a random icicle to the head than you are to get frozen as Tracer if you're playing her right.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:59
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:If you think this you absolutely suck at Tracer, and probably at those other heroes too, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with them because I have less experience in those matchups. You should probably read that post again.
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Jul 27, 2016 18:03
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Andrast posted:You should probably read that post again. Okay yeah my bad. It's still dumb as hell, just not for the reason I thought. I can go dig up my old "think about freezing in terms of effective DPS" post if you want a more general argument for why "Mei OP" is wrong. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Tracer is OP and needs a nerf. A well played Tracer is just about unstoppable, more so than any other class.
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I'm reading a good amount online about how Overwatch is a CPU heavy game and how some some players with great GPUs are bottlenecked by the CPU. What's a recommended CPU for this game? Blizzard recommends "Intel® Core™ i5 or AMD Phenom™ II X3 or better" but just "i5" is super vague, and people with various i5s report a CPU bottleneck. Heran Bago fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Andrast posted:He said it's almost impossible to escape UNLESS you are Tracer/Genji/Reaper Yes, that's why I said "my bad." I guess reading comprehension matchmaking is working as intended. 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Yes, that's why I said "my bad." Did you edit that post? I swear I read something completely different.
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Andrast posted:Did you edit that post? I swear I read something completely different. I edited it to add the part about Mei arguments generally, but not the part you quoted. I shouldn't be so confrontational about stuff it's easy to get a false impression of. Competitive games are frustrating by nature, and it's not like I never have knee-jerk reactions. I shouldn't poke fun at them in others.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I edited it to add the part about Mei arguments generally, but not the part you quoted. I guess I'm just going crazy then. Reading comprehension is indeed hard.
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My initial post wasn't meant to make it sound like Mei was OP. It was meant to decry the idea of making her CC stronger, of which the only two ways I could think of to do that would be to either extend the range or make the freeze effect happen faster. As a Bastion / Reinhardt / Roadhog / Lucio, and so on, if Mei gets the drop on you there really isn't a chance to get away from that freeze. It might not equal death but it's what I would consider effective CC. Turning up the freeze rate would make her more OP than release McCree IMO. I've also seen some deadly accurate Mei players where that ice bolt is concerned. Like, that motherfucker never missed a single shot kind of accurate.
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Meis ok but she shouldn't have falloff on M2 since it's a projectile
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Xaris posted:Meis ok but she shouldn't have falloff on M2 since it's a projectile Here's what this game doesn't need: Hanzo with 250 HP and an invincibility button.
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LCL-Dead posted:As a Bastion / Reinhardt / Roadhog / Lucio, and so on, if Mei gets the drop on you there really isn't a chance to get away from that freeze. It might not equal death but it's what I would consider effective CC. Turning up the freeze rate would make her more OP than release McCree IMO. This is why I think a Mei buff should be something in the way of extra mobility or more ability to get up on high places for ambushes.
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Well, the thing is even with genuinely scary CC, Mei still can't kill tanks in a timely fashion the way McCree could. Icicle is a lot of burst damage but it's slow, and I wouldn't advocate turning up the duration of the freeze, only the buildup.
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LCL-Dead posted:As a Bastion / Reinhardt / Roadhog / Lucio, and so on, if Mei gets the drop on you there really isn't a chance to get away from that freeze. It might not equal death but it's what I would consider effective CC. Turning up the freeze rate would make her more OP than release McCree IMO. It's not really. The major thing is that CC needs to be more effective than death to be worthwhile. Otherwise you get the oft-asked question of 'why am I just freezing them instead of shooting them?" Mei's gimmick is CC. She weakens and slows down characters for other people to kill them. She needs to be good at that to be effective. If she isn't then she's going to continue to languish in the land of uselessness. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Xaris posted:Meis ok but she shouldn't have falloff on M2 since it's a projectile They did that and it worked about as well as McCree with 32m range. Widowmaker was hard countered by Mei at extreme ranges.
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Mei's right click should be a big ice fart like Lucio's right click that slows movement speed or freezes low hp dudes like tracer/gneji or some poo poo. Shes supposed to be short range so having a long range headshot fire is weird.
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Hughmoris posted:Tracer is OP and needs a nerf. A well played Tracer is just about unstoppable, more so than any other class. Please. If your teammates are competent you can have two guys keep an eye out for her and she won't be a threat.
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My friends keep whining about getting matched up against higher player levels even when we are in competitive and our opponents are the same rank. It's infuriating.
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LCL-Dead posted:My initial post wasn't meant to make it sound like Mei was OP. It was meant to decry the idea of making her CC stronger, of which the only two ways I could think of to do that would be to either extend the range or make the freeze effect happen faster. Lucio? I don't disagree with the other three, but Lucio? Boop her and swap to speed. Then jetset radio away laughing. That's Lucio's standard response to anything that gets within melee range.
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Mei deals 45 DPS with her M1 and it takes 70 damage from it to freeze someone. I'm actually not sure if the recovery from the freeze is gradual, or if it wears of all at once after a certain amount of time. Assuming for the sake of sanity that it doesn't wear off while simultaneously being applied, though, that means it takes Mei a little over 1.5 seconds to apply her CC, assuming perfect accuracy. Mei's M1 is easier to aim than many attacks but it's not auto lock-on. It also has a maximum range of 10 meters with no falloff. Once they're frozen she still has to icicle them for the kill. Say you get one guaranteed icicle while someone's frozen, for 70 + 150 damage (assuming a headshot on the icicle) for a total of 220 damage. In the same time Reaper could fire 3 shots and deal up to 420 damage at similar ranges (non-headshot, but let's suppose misses and headshots roughly cancel out), plus he has falloff out to twice Mei's range. And Reaper's not OP, he's just a solid hero at just about the right power level.
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Ddraig posted:The only way to improve is to be honest with your self-reflection and not constantly blame other people. When you lose, don't immediately jump to your 'bad team' as an excuse, even if they were bad, you have to ask yourself: "What exactly could I have done better?" Wrong, if I"m getting golds as Zarya, then everyone is bad, should be reported, and I should be awareded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for havin such a TERRIBLE toxic team!!!1111
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LCL-Dead posted:My initial post wasn't meant to make it sound like Mei was OP. It was meant to decry the idea of making her CC stronger, of which the only two ways I could think of to do that would be to either extend the range or make the freeze effect happen faster. Just kill her? Lucio can boop her away and the other three vastly outdamage Mei. Bastion can tear through Mei's HP before the freeze kicks in, and the other two win the damage race even despite the freeze. The only thing freezing a Roadhog or Reinhart does is buy time for Mei to run away. And that's with her getting the drop on them, totally unexpected, within her optimal range. As for her M2...well, it's harder to hit with than McCree's M1, has a much slower rate-of-fire, and has maybe half the effective range. Even in the hands of an incredibly accurate pro player, it's not exactly overwhelming. On the other hand, if Reaper gets the drop on Bastion, Reinhart, or Roadhog, he can do a lot more to them than just freezing them and running away, and it won't take him much longer to kill them than it takes Mei to freeze them. And since Reaper has better mobility than Mei, he's much better at getting those opportunities. The thing is, the time-to-freeze doesn't actually affect people's ability to escape, because pretty much everyone in this game runs at the same speed, and her slowdown debuff means that only certain cooldown abilities are able to escape her. What time-to-freeze affects is how much damage potential a character (and any nearby teammates) has to have to kill her before she can freeze them.
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OK just because MOBAs get brought up in this thread from time to time: I've never played a MOBA. Not really experienced with RTS games either. Are any of the MOBAs out there (LoL, Dota2, HotS, Smite(?)) actually somewhat welcoming for complete newbies, or is it all as toxic as I keep hearing?
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Chin Strap posted:OK just because MOBAs get brought up in this thread from time to time: HoTS might be the newbie-friendliest, but the players of competitive gaming in general can be quite toxic and unwelcoming, or very nice and helpful, depending on who you end up with. I like it because I see the iconic Blizzard heroes, there are multiple maps, and each plays a bit different with various objectives (that some people just ignore, like in OW). Since they're free (I think, not sure about Smite), it can't hurt to give them a shot. Post in the HoTS thread and someone can give you a 'recruit' link that unlocks some good and free heroes for you as you play, gives you stim pack for bonus xp/gold, etc.
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Chin Strap posted:OK just because MOBAs get brought up in this thread from time to time: The thing with MOBAs is that their mechanical complexity and thus how much fun they are to play is in inverse proportion to how welcoming there are, and there is no happy medium. In your position I would probably play Heroes of the Storm, even though Heroes of the Storm feels awful to play (at least for me) because every cool ability from DotA / HoN has been turned into a Fischer-Price parody of itself.
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Chin Strap posted:OK just because MOBAs get brought up in this thread from time to time: When it comes to gameplay and mechanics HotS is the most newbie-friendly one, but I don't think the community is far superior than any of the other games you've listed. You choose a character and you're stuck with it for the next 15-25 minutes*, not being able to leave without completely screwing over your teammates. It's just not the most friendly format for a multiplayer game. HotS doesn't have cross-team chat and you can disable team-chat at the start of every game with the push of a button, but I'm not certain such a desperate approach to ignore people talking to you will translate to having fun. *longer if it isn't HotS Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Andrast posted:Don't play a moba this is the real answer
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Chin Strap posted:OK just because MOBAs get brought up in this thread from time to time: I hate MOBAs and never played them until I went through a HOTS phase last summer. It's just as toxic as Overwatch if I remember correctly. If you can tolerate OW, gives HOTS a chance!
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the biggest thing holding back HotS is the fact that it either takes a really long time or a big pile of cash to unlock all the heroes.Andrast posted:Don't play a moba also this
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Heran Bago posted:I'm reading a good amount online about how Overwatch is a CPU heavy game and how some some players with great GPUs are bottlenecked by the CPU. What's a recommended CPU for this game? I'm running a 770 with an i3-2120 with everything maxed and the game runs fine most of the time. The times it didn't it ran like poo poo for everyone in the match (server side poo poo?) or it was because I was dumb and ran out of memory from leaving Chrome with multiple tabs running in the background along with other stuff.
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Andrast posted:Don't play a moba MOBAs are awesome. Shame about the people playing them, though.
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