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Might have been nice if Guinan had told Starfleet about the Borg when they rescued her. I know she was probably pissy about being pulled out of the Nexus, but it would have been in her own best interest to warn people about the unstoppable cyborgs assimilating everything in their path.
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Jul 27, 2016 23:39
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Automatic Slim posted:Picard should've warned her about the Borg when he went back in time. well she didn't warn the federation about the borg when her and soran were rescued from the nexus by kirk after captain cameron poo poo his pants
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Jul 27, 2016 23:41
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Harry Kim got replaced with a copy of Harry Kim and nobody cared ever
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shadow puppet of a posted:Actually no. Voyager is like an iceberg with some well written episodes at the top, supported by a multitude of offensively boring or god awful episodes below the surface. Good Episodes (Must see) Eye of the Needle State of Flux Projections Maneuvers Prototype Alliances Deathwish Deadlock The Thaw Remember Futures End Unity Before and After Worst Case Scenario Scorpion pt1 and 2 Year of Hell(just pt 1) Living Witness Timeless Counterpoint Bliss Someone to Watch Over me Relativity Tinker,Tenor, Doctor, Spy Blink of an Eye Good Shepherd Critical Care Prophecy Author,Author Baaad Episodes (Don't see) Parturition Threshold Darkling Favourite Son Vis a Vis Unforgettable The Disease The Fight 11;59 Alice Fair Haven Spirit Folk Friendship One The other 129 episodes are ok sometimes, have some nice scenes occasionally but are largely forgettable, often lazy and heavily involve a nebula or something
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Jul 27, 2016 23:43
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Some of those episodes are good, but none are great.
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Jul 27, 2016 23:45
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corn in the bible posted:Harry Kim got replaced with a copy of Harry Kim and nobody cared ever Nobody noticed. O'Brien got switched with a version 6hrs. from the future. He was a vast improvement.
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Jul 27, 2016 23:47
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Figaro posted:Blink of an Eye oh i remember that one 
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Automatic Slim posted:Some of those episodes are good, but none are great. Eye of the Needle is a great episode, and holds its own with some of the best of Trek. Edit: wait, I was thinking of Blink of an Eye.
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Jul 27, 2016 23:50
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Automatic Slim posted:Some of those episodes are good, but none are great. I agree, but they are good. For 45 minutes you can (almost) forgive Voyager its flaws
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Jul 27, 2016 23:53
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criscodisco posted:Eye of the Needle is a great episode, and holds its own with some of the best of Trek. Eye of the Needle has a killer gut punch twist and also a lovely scene where Janeway negotiates and subtly manipulates a Romulan over the comm in her nightie.
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Why would anybody list Year of Hell and specify part one only I mean I get that it's the titular example of a literal reset button ending, to the point where there's a drat gif of it but really now I think that two parter (aside from being a perfect example of what kind of show Voyager could and arguably should have been) was great if only for the timeship captain ahab angle. Anytime Trek does or mentions Moby Dick it seems to be a good time, especially when paired with some strong actors like President "Bitches Leave" Red Foreman
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Jul 28, 2016 00:26
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Ever since the Crew Goes Nuts While Crossing the Black Expanse episode, Janeway's written in an increasingly hostile, standoffish way. Which could have been cool if they had made than an explicit character arc leading to Equinox, but VOY gotta VOY
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Jul 28, 2016 00:46
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Tighclops posted:Why would anybody list Year of Hell and specify part one only Hmm I don't think much happens in the second part. Chakotay becomes close to Annorax and slightly obsessed with Time Tom starts an insurrection onboard the Krenim ship Janeway takes risks onboard a half destroyed Voyager and the Doctor tries to relieve her for mental incompetence Janeway crashes Voyager into Annorax's ship and reboots the timeline I'm not saying you shouldn't watch it particularly if you've gone to the bother of viewing Part 1, but I wouldent say it's an ecspecially great episode. It has that problem that a lot of Star Trek two parters have, where part 1 is about building the tension and creating obstacles an then part 2 is about solving everything, which is far less enjoyable. Particularly with Voyager, which seems to resolve two parters rather perfunctorily ie. Equinox/Dark Frontier/Workforce/Basics
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criscodisco posted:Eye of the Needle is a great episode, and holds its own with some of the best of Trek. I'd like to petition starfleet to name this wormhole "Harry's Hole" I should use this list to try to get my wife to tolerate some voyager, or even to get my self to tolerate some voyager. Is that list in order of goodness or season?
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Season But its pretty subjective. There's a couple of old school Trek episodes that wouldent have looked out of place on TOS (Prototype) which I genuinely really like but I could see why someone else would find it average
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Prototype was good but the robot change was so so bad.
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Plus it made Riker stop directing episodes.
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Autocorrect I meant robot costume.
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Yeah I couldn't handle that. I wish they'd just done a Data-style effect.
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The robot outfits are awful, even for 1996. But I like the idea of a robot war and Voyager is stuck in the middle bleating "eh sorry guys we just want our half Klingon chief engineer back please" There was a couple of good Torres episodes in season 2; Prototype and Dreadnaught where it looked like the writers were directing her characterisation as that of a smart capable engineer/scientist with a natural intellectual curiosity that now she was in the Delta Quadrant away from the problems of home, she would be free to explore. But then they seemed to forget all that and she became known primarily as Tom Paris's girlfriend and Seven of Nine got all her technobabble and cosy scenes with Janeway discussing SCIENCE
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Figaro posted:There was a couple of good Torres episodes in season 2; Prototype and Dreadnaught where it looked like the writers were directing her characterisation as that of a smart capable engineer/scientist with a natural intellectual curiosity that now she was in the Delta Quadrant away from the problems of home, she would be free to explore. Pretty ironic and also terrible that the character who started as the "disagreeable but capable and independent Engineer" eventually got written away into becoming the "occasionally feisty but agreeable and supportive Girlfriend". Women just can't catch a break on TV.
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Chomp8645 posted:Pretty ironic and also terrible that the character who started as the "disagreeable but capable and independent Engineer" eventually got written away into becoming the "occasionally feisty but agreeable and supportive Girlfriend". I agree! She wasn't the only character to be discarded after Seven of Nine but I think they really wasted a potentially flawed and interesting character by relegating her solely to engineering and sitcom scenes with Tom. Plus in "Vis a Vis" and "Alice", Paris is replaced by a bodyswitcher and possessed by a female shuttlecraft respectively and his behavior then isn't that far from how we see he normally treats Torres. The old ball and chain haha am I right? Leave me alone woman so I can watch my cartoons on my hipster TV and then I'll take you on a date to the holodeck to see the car I'm fixing up
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if you were a star trek space ship which would you be? I think I'd be the USS Bozemen, lost and alone in space and time 
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I would be the Delta Flyer because I can't fit in my house.
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i haven't watched a lot of Voyager because its poo poo, so I had to look that up. Pretty cool that a Lieutenant JG was able to blend borg poo poo and all that and make a spaceship all on the voyager while they were lost and had to have an alien cook them lovely food because materials were so low
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The Reliant because Khan could come onboard anytime and I'd surrender to him
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I would be the IKS Rotarran because despite the high expectations placed on me by my proud heritage I'm filled with cowardice and self-doubt and never accomplish anything.
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Jul 28, 2016 02:49
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I'm sending a request to Klingon High Command for special dispensation to be renamed IKS Millennial.
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I'd be anything but a Bajoran lightship.
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Jul 28, 2016 02:51
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I'm the USS Valiant I'm full of drugs and going to kill myself
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Chomp8645 posted:I would be the IKS Rotarran because despite the high expectations placed on me by my proud heritage I'm filled with cowardice and self-doubt and never accomplish anything. You'd need to airlock Alexander ASAP or your ship is without honour
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Jul 28, 2016 02:53
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Or I'd be the Equinox because I'm powered by cruelty and boredom.
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Jul 28, 2016 02:55
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I wish that I was the Botany Bay so that Khan would be inside of me
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Figaro posted:Voyager is like an iceberg with some well written episodes at the top, supported by a multitude of offensively boring or god awful episodes below the surface. Your list of good Voyager episodes is messed up because it isn't just Bride of Chaotica listed 12 times.
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I'd be Crusher's hospital ship from the future because I've got all my big business up front.
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tom paris is poo poo and i hate his loving holo-episodes and endgame...what a waste
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Chomp8645 posted:Pretty ironic and also terrible that the character who started as the "disagreeable but capable and independent Engineer" eventually got written away into becoming the "occasionally feisty but agreeable and supportive Girlfriend". In season 6 or 7 she goes off-the-rails and reprograms the doctor to genetically alter her unborn child, are you telling me this isn't a good female portrayal?
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Tricky D posted:Your list of good Voyager episodes is messed up because it isn't just Bride of Chaotica listed 12 times. Yeaah that wasn't an oversight. I do like parts of that one, like when Janeway cosplays as Queen Arachnia and the devil robot but I just don't rewatch it that much, I'm not sure why. For me, it just slightly misses the mark
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