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Tender Bender posted:I'm not, I'm from the US and I get that there are a ton of bad racists here. There are also a lot of people with bad racial views who can be courted. Not every disaffected white person in a rust belt state is a hopeless racist. And while a Hillary victory can be achieved without them, the local downticket races matter and leaving a huge swathe of people to be swooped up by a charlatan's half-assed ramblings is a mistake, especially when with some more careful messaging you could make some overtures toward them without compromising any of your policy. these people make their racism their primary voting motivation. you can't win them without being openly racist yourself
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Pook Good Mook posted:If white males turn out the way that Trump needs them to Hillary will still get about 250 electoral votes. If Trump wins it will be the last time a President will be able to win by relying on the White vote. You're ignoring the impact of the Twenty-eighth Amendment, which limits voting rights to property-owning white males as the Founding Fathers intended.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:What is going on here?? Wrestlemania. Seriously.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:What is going on here?? i think its from one of trump's appearances in the wwe
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i think its from one of trump's appearances in the wwe He had just enjoyed shaving a man's head. Who doesn't enjoy a post-heading shaving beer?
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Raeg posted:He had just enjoyed shaving a man's head. Who doesn't enjoy a post-heading shaving beer? oh i thought it was foam from one of stone cold's shaken the gently caress up beers
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breaking: donald trump banned for homegrown
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Because she wants to pile more weight on the most discriminated against group in the country: straight white Christian males. Someone get Obdicut in the thread so he can tell us that this never happens
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Iron Crowned posted:Whoever wins, white males lose don't stop i'm almost there
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Not a Step posted:Someone get Obdicut in the thread so he can tell us that this never happens i think you may have gotten confused my friend, this is the good thread with the jokes, not the one where we invite people to continue dumb endless debates that suck
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paranoid randroid posted:breaking: donald trump banned for homegrown  Nice of Fox to use the exact verbiage of the Trump campaign there in the headline.
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zoux posted:Yeah and I don't really want to court white disaffected "populists", I don't want them in the party there is taking the wind out of their sails by addressing some of their economic issues and then there is finding out that racism polls well and therefore putting racism on the platform
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Pook Good Mook posted:If white males turn out the way that Trump needs them to Hillary will still get about 250 electoral votes. If Trump wins it will be the last time a President will be able to win by relying on the White vote. I don't care as long as Trump gets to appoint 2-3 SCOTUS justices from the list Jeff Sessions prepared for him so our Bill of Rights is saved from destruction. Democrats are so loving stupid. They would probably split the white vote and rule with an iron-fist if they weren't hell bent on spiting Gun owners, spiting Christians, etc. Democrats can roll their eyes all they want and beat on the "boo-hoo poor oppressed white christian males" strawman, but the reality that being a straight white christian male is still the best straw to draw in this country doesn't mean that they will graciously ignore all attacks and insults against them or should be expected to. They're not going to say "hey I've got it good, so I'll just roll over and let the Democrats ban the most popular firearms in America to spite us and lie to the public and engage in moral blackmail against us." They're not going to say "hey I've got it good, and homosexuals were barred from marriage for so long before being granted it, so I'll just roll over and let the government force a Christian photographer into involuntary servitude and force him/her to attend a private religious ceremony that violates his sincerely held religious beliefs." There's a difference between just helping individuals/groups that have been oppressed/lacked equal opportunity/etc. and just proposing ACTUAL "common-sense" solutions to problems that exist, and being spiteful pricks who practice a scorched-earth politics of also seeking to punish those who dared commit the crime of being born in the majority demographic and who dare to commit the crime of exercising their human rights and refusing to cede them.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:these people make their racism their primary voting motivation. you can't win them without being openly racist yourself zoux posted:We know what overtures to this group looks like, and it's antithetical to the party as a whole. Yeah, I would like to think otherwise but I may be naive/optimistic in doing so. I do think, as Phobophilia said, you can at least lessen the chance they'll go out to vote against you, even if you don't get them on your side.
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Raeg posted:He had just enjoyed shaving a man's head. Who doesn't enjoy a post-heading shaving beer? mitt romney
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He he I was just kidding about wanting Russia to hack my political opponent The joke is on you my friend
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Boosted_C5 posted:I don't care as long as Trump gets to appoint 2-3 SCOTUS justices from the list Jeff Sessions prepared for him so our Bill of Rights is saved from destruction. My fellow posters, we cannot allow this man to retreat back into his hole to never be seen again next week.
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Phobophilia posted:there is taking the wind out of their sails by addressing some of their economic issues and then there is finding out that racism polls well and therefore putting racism on the platform zoux doesnt negotiate with terrorists
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Tender Bender posted:Yeah, I would like to think otherwise but I may be naive/optimistic in doing so. I do think, as Phobophilia said, you can at least lessen the chance they'll go out to vote against you, even if you don't get them on your side. I think that wholly rejecting them and their world view and demonstrating to the rest of the country that you don't need white racists to win the Presidency may go a long way to discouraging those types and forcing them out of politics. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/758680707979943937
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If you wanna futz around yourself and see how much of the white vote Trump needs to swing the election, 538 has a thing using the 2012 polls and the demographic changes since then as the baseline. All else being equal, if you increase non-educated white turnout (which is not split by gender in this model, sadly, because that's gonna be really important) by 10 points and alignment from 62% R to 66% R, Trump crawls to 270+, but of course even a slight increase in turnout for blacks or latinos, or a decrease in R support among college educated whites, will push it back.
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You know, I don't think it's inconceivable that people are getting Trump fatigue. I sure as hell am but I didn't figure Jane Q. Public would since I thought only sad nerds like me pay attention through the whole cycle.
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He's not wrong. Half the country likes Obama on a personal level. Half the country doesn't actually approve of the direction the country has been heading under his "leadership." The Democrats made a mistake getting enamored with his personal approval numbers. Tying Hillary to him is a gift to the GOP.
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Boosted_C5 posted:He's not wrong. Half the country likes Obama on a personal level. Half the country doesn't actually approve of the direction the country has been heading under his "leadership." But he's also not right. Sure, half the country doesn't approve, but the other half does. This works both ways.
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Boosted_C5 posted:He's not wrong. Half the country likes Obama on a personal level. Half the country doesn't actually approve of the direction the country has been heading under his "leadership." 51% approval rating dumbass. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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zoux posted:51% approval rating dumbass. Oh, you're right. 51% is not exactly "half" Thank you very much.
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Boosted_C5 posted:I don't care as long as Trump gets to appoint 2-3 SCOTUS justices from the list Jeff Sessions prepared for him so our Bill of Rights is saved from destruction. lol
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The GOP found it very difficult to run away from an unpopular president in 2008 so I don't see what kind of voodoo Clinton could do to somehow run away from a moderately popular incumbent whose administration she served in and who's going to be a really good surrogate for her. Like even if Obama was polling in the low 40s, it would be impossible for her to extricate herself from the Obama legacy. She's lucky that the second term turned out as well as it did: Romney in 2012 promised to have unemployment at under 6% at the end of his first term and let's see... 5.4%? Huh! Maybe that's why they can't really get any traction on an economy sucks message and ended up with Lock Her Up and Law and Order.
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When you fall behind in the ratings, there is only one rational course of action. Kill off a cast member and bring in someone new. 
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Zelder posted:i made it this far into the post and my eyes starting bleeding, what's the rest say Electoral revanchism. The hidden white majority, rousing the white vote that's been sitting on their hands the past few cycles. It's crap.
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Pook Good Mook posted:If white males turn out the way that Trump needs them to Hillary will still get about 250 electoral votes. If Trump wins it will be the last time a President will be able to win by relying on the White vote. Umm yeah that is what Trump has been saying this whole time. His entire campaign has been to tell white people this is their last chance to change the rules before they lose the ability to do so. The last 4 or 5 white male presidents and their opponents didn't even acknowledge this reality let alone offer to fix it. This is what a white supremacy campaign looks like when the person running understands calling it that is taboo.
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Boosted_C5 posted:He's not wrong. Half the country likes Obama on a personal level. Half the country doesn't actually approve of the direction the country has been heading under his "leadership." A large number of people will always say the country is heading in the wrong direction. However, that doesn't mean they agree about what else they want or how to get there at all. Taking that the majority of people don't agree with the future doesn't mean they are all for Trump's vision - many might even mean his vision as the "wrong path". Old people for example will always disagree in large part with what the young whippersnappers do, regardless who does it.
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