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MikeCrotch posted:Surely there have been designs with untested technology in the past that haven't been such big cockups as the Ford and the JSF program though? Admittedly i'm drawing a blank trying to think of one... Sure, but it was a lot more common for the company to work those kinks out on its own dime, rather than the government basically writing a blank check at the beginning of a program.
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Nebakenezzer posted:You remember when Trump, during a GOP debate, bragged about the size of his dick? lol jezebel link. You do realize the email leaks show that it and nearly every leftist site, even the goddamn Washington Post, are sucking on the DNC and hilldogs dick right? Plus journalists are scum. We need common sense laws on the First Amendment.
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The Pope posted:We need common sense laws on the First Amendment. Go on, tell us more about the restriction of free speech
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The Pope posted:lol jezebel link. You do realize the email leaks show that it and nearly every leftist site, even the goddamn Washington Post, are sucking on the DNC and hilldogs dick right? Plus journalists are scum. We need common sense laws on the First Amendment. I watched the press conference and it was exactly as batshit as described, so yeah, I guess, whatever
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Godholio posted:Sure, but it was a lot more common for the company to work those kinks out on its own dime, rather than the government basically writing a blank check at the beginning of a program. During the cold war the contractors could do that because budgets were large and predictable. For the last few decades that hasn't been the case, so huge swathes of the industrial base gets laid off and moves on. Then the next procurement has to start from scratch without experienced people, and that costs time and money.
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Arglebargle III posted:Don't they have two competing companies doing that production run? you're thinking of LCS which is basically F-35 on the water Virginia-class has both Electric Boat and Newport News manufacturing specific components on every boat while they alternate integration, so it's not really a "competition" set-up PhotoKirk posted:The Russians had pretty good system for Arm Loading. this needed more love also yeah a US presidential candidate from one of the two major parties literally encouraged a foreign intelligence service to commit espionage on US soil to interfere with an election that is literally what happened 
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Oh, Jesus Christ, it was obviously literally a joke. And a funny one, way funnier than "I've outlawed Russia, the bombing begins in 5 minutes," or "The ASU Board of Regents will soon learn all about being audited by the IRS."
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The Pope posted:lol jezebel link. You do realize the email leaks show that it and nearly every leftist site, even the goddamn Washington Post, are sucking on the DNC and hilldogs dick right? Plus journalists are scum. We need common sense laws on the First Amendment. Lol trusting files with document metadata created after they were kicked off the DNC's network, and last edited on a computer with Russian language settings.
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Everything he says is stupid. It's only a joke because supporters want it to be.
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Similarly to how he was "joking" when he stated he wouldn't honor Article V commitments if he didn't feel like it? It's not a joke, it's just his mind-blowingly retarded stream of consciousness e: that's the charitable interpretation. The uncharitable one is that he's (whether knowingly or unwittingly via his advisors) actively doing the Kremlin's bidding iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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iyaayas01 posted:you're thinking of LCS Counterpoint: the F‐35 is okay, eventually. LCS is a procurement failure and a poo poo ship. LingcodKilla posted:Everything he says is stupid. It's only a joke because supporters want it to be. 
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The Pope posted:lol jezebel link. You do realize the email leaks show that it and nearly every leftist site, even the goddamn Washington Post, are sucking on the DNC and hilldogs dick right? Plus journalists are scum. We need common sense laws on the First Amendment. While I agree jezebel is terrible please dont invite this sort of discussion into a good thread. In other news the stealth flying wing unmanned carrier tanker officially got named. The MQ-25 Stingray: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-25_Stingray
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iyaayas01 posted:also yeah a US presidential candidate from one of the two major parties literally encouraged a foreign intelligence service to commit espionage on US soil to interfere with an election Guh, I hate Loud Orange Man and politics in the War Thread, but: 1. HRC's server is in an evidence vault in some FBI building somewhere. It is not connected to the Internet. 2. If a foreign intelligence service committed espionage on US soil and obtained correspondence from it, it would have happened while it was in a strip-mall ISP and maintained by morons. 3. if 2 occurred, it has already happened and other states' intelligence services already have the correspondence, conducted by the Secretary of State on a Fisher-Price server, over a period of years. It seemed pretty clear that he wasn't begging the Russians to conduct cyber war against the US, because the server is not accessible except by some Call of Duty Spetznaz raid against an FBI facility. The joke was "since hackers working for Russia, China, North Korea, Israel, India, France, Burkina Faso, Tuvalu, and the Orkney Liberation Front probably already have all the correspondence off this shitshow of a mail server, could you please share it with us, because we can't seem to find anything on it".
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Like he knows any of that.
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/\ this /\ also the part about interfering in elections. Even if you accept that he was "joking" to point at the email server security issue because lol they already have it all, he directly encouraged foreign intelligence services to release it in order to interfere in an American election that's not a loving joke, that's something that should terrify anyone who has half a brain cell CarForumPoster posted:While I agree jezebel is terrible please dont invite this sort of discussion into a good thread. from that wiki article (emphasis mine): quote:It also addresses the carriers' need for an organic refueling aircraft, proposed as a mission for the UCLASS since 2014, freeing up the 20-30 percent of Super Hornets performing the mission in a more capable and cost effective manner than modifying the F-35 (not appropriate for that mission among others), V-22 Osprey (only slightly better than the F-35), and E-2D Hawkeye (old airframes), or bringing the retired S-3 Viking back into service (embarrassing) loving lol also double lol if the Navy picks the Avenger iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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LingcodKilla posted:Like he knows any of that. Now let’s talk about the nuclear triad.
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Platystemon posted:Now let’s talk about the nuclear triad. Nuclear is ~The Power~, you know.
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iyaayas01 posted:from that wiki article (emphasis mine): That is completely and utterly inaccurate. E-2D's are all new-build airframes. The proposed KE-2 tanker would be made from converted E-2C's, which are all old as loving dirt.
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Platystemon posted:Now let’s talk about the nuclear triad. 
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CarForumPoster posted:While I agree jezebel is terrible please dont invite this sort of discussion into a good thread. I would say that this is a loving inspired choice of name, but the Navy doesn't do flying boom do they? PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Oh hey guys the Candidate who has made multiple overtures to Putin, has a campaign director who was on Putin's payroll, who's business is heavily invested in Russia and has doubled down on de-commitments to NATO said Russia should hack his political rival. Surely it was only a joke with that track record.
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That Works posted:Oh hey guys the Candidate who has made multiple overtures to Putin, has a campaign director who was on Putin's payroll, who's business is heavily invested in Russia and has doubled down on de-commitments to NATO said Russia should hack his political rival. Surely it was only a joke with that track record. https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/758445316886585345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Enourmo posted:Well there's the X-47b. Bah, meant flying boom. Image just won't be the same if it's trailing multiple drogues, rather than the one boom.
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Ah, yeah, if it's a single drogue that'd be a fantastic name.
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Well, here is the first pass on my 'Keepers' folder from Oshkosh this year. https://imgur.com/a/vXn1R This one turned out kinda good. 
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Slo-Tek posted:Well, here is the first pass on my 'Keepers' folder from Oshkosh this year. https://imgur.com/a/vXn1R HOLY loving poo poo 
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Akion posted:I'm guessing all the F-4's are privately owned now? No, just the one.
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The F4 looks like someone crashed face-first into a door and somehow their scrambled face came out real sexy.
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The F-4 is the result of committing wholeheartedly to the concept that if some thrust is good, then more thrust is better and in fact all problems, including global communism, can be solved by burning more JP-4 within the altar of our lord and savior, the J79.
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I have a friend that races Jet Dragsters. He drives one that looks like Thomas the loving tank engine and is powered by a J-79. It's glorious.
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War is Boring is having a broken clock moment right now and published this interesting article about the attack on the USS Stark back in 1987: https://warisboring.com/in-1987-a-secret-iraqi-warplane-struck-an-american-frigate-and-killed-37-sailors-b341a948fa21#.11tlpowsu
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Akion posted:I have a friend that races Jet Dragsters. He drives one that looks like Thomas the loving tank engine and is powered by a J-79. Yeah, I'm gonna need a picture of this for...reasons
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