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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Larry Parrish posted:

I mean yeah squadrons and wings wasting a bunch of manhours on completely retarded mandatory volunteer events because of required volunteer bullets is extremely stupid, but for the addditonal duties that need doing, in a perfect world whatever unit would just have extra guys so that extra load on top of whatever primary job isn't a big deal.

Not even "extra guys," just proper manning. If you go back 15+ years you had dedicated AFSC personnelists in many squadrons. The CSS used to be called the "orderly room" because you had orderlies (personnel/finance peeps) who knew how to get poo poo done. When those billets went away those duties still had to be done and they got tossed onto the remaining people, with no training or experience and it became a rotating additional duty that nobody really learns because you're only going to be in that seat for a year or two.

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Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



congratulations, brand-new copilot who should be learning their job, you're now in charge of approving everyone's DTS authorizations

nobody will ever ask you whether you've even bothered opening a pub since you got here, but you'll be briefing all the overdue vouchers every week so you better be focused on that

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
America's air force

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Godholio posted:

Not even "extra guys," just proper manning. If you go back 15+ years you had dedicated AFSC personnelists in many squadrons. The CSS used to be called the "orderly room" because you had orderlies (personnel/finance peeps) who knew how to get poo poo done. When those billets went away those duties still had to be done and they got tossed onto the remaining people, with no training or experience and it became a rotating additional duty that nobody really learns because you're only going to be in that seat for a year or two.

PBD-720 was arguably the worst thing that ever happened to the Air Force

And we did it to ourselves, it wasn't even something that Congress foisted on us, it was completely voluntary from the AF perspective

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
What is that?

Lazy Reservist
Nov 30, 2005

FUBIJAR

lite_sleepr posted:

What is that?

Program Budget Decision 720 aka the 2005-2006 redux. Remember when the Air Force gave a bunch of severance packages? That was PBD 720.

Here it is in all its glory

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

lite_sleepr posted:

What is that?

It was the self-imposed gutting of support billets (not just people) that kicked off a decade of "force shaping."

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd
It was the spaces that was the kicker. All the force shaping since then has been focused around just getting rid of people, the billets in them were (mostly) just shifted around in a shell game, they didn't fully go away. This is what gives us the flexibility to do what we did last year and go "hey so that force shaping thing, just kidding open the floodgates we're filling those slots again."

PBD-720 though just completely removed billets from the books, which means they're effectively gone for good, barring a literal Act of Congress. The best part is that all this was Moseley's plan to ensure we'd be able to get 381 Raptors. Which is working out pretty sweet.

In other news I just now got my official notification that my poo poo was compromised in the OPM breach. Like over a year after they started notifying people and over 6 months after they allegedly finished making notifications. Good job OPM.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
the air force is really dumb

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

lite_sleepr posted:

the air force is really dumb

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

lite_sleepr posted:

the air force is really dumb

Lazy Reservist
Nov 30, 2005

FUBIJAR

lite_sleepr posted:

the air force is really dumb

You're just now realizing this?

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

Lazy Reservist posted:

You're just now realizing this?

what? no. Can't a person state the obvious once in a while?

Shalhavet
Dec 10, 2010

This post is terrible
Doctor Rope
AFPC forgot to put the date I retrained into the system so I was quietly marked promotion ineligible in some ancient database and my package never got scored. Whee!

atomicpile
Nov 7, 2009

Godholio posted:

:wtc:

Does AFPC deal with anything like an ORI?

What do you think..

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shalhavet posted:

AFPC forgot to put the date I retrained into the system so I was quietly marked promotion ineligible in some ancient database and my package never got scored. Whee!

You're going to get an LOR for failure to maintain records when your supervisor can't find the paperwork even though you have a copy

Knives Amilli
Sep 26, 2014
i got my state to state transfer approved...illl be leaving 2A654 for 1N451A. Whats the big difference between the A and B shreds for 1N4? I read that A focuses more on computers (and my 1337 h4x0r skills extend to only finding rare porn torrents) and you gotta attend the JCAC school....is that true? Would studying some basics on programming language help?

xsf421
Feb 17, 2011

Knives Amilli posted:

i got my state to state transfer approved...illl be leaving 2A654 for 1N451A. Whats the big difference between the A and B shreds for 1N4? I read that A focuses more on computers (and my 1337 h4x0r skills extend to only finding rare porn torrents) and you gotta attend the JCAC school....is that true? Would studying some basics on programming language help?

You pretty much nailed it. B shred is traditional sigint, A is doing analysis on the things the actual cyber people obtain. You won't do any cool stuff yourself, but it's still an okay job. My friends who went through JCAC were borderline computer illiterate when they left. If you have any ability to study or read, you should be fine. You'll mostly be learning windows and linux networking basics, so programming won't really help.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
oh Larry Parish, when will you learn what words you can use here on something awful?

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school

Dinosaur Gum
He's got an impressive rap sheet. Good on him

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school

Dinosaur Gum

A Kpro posted:

I've got some random stuff I'm willing to unload.

1 Camelback army camo colored
1 web belt + canteen
1 ABU set of pants
1 Fleece set of pants
1 APECS set of pants

Did anybody really want this crap? Throw me a few bucks to cover shipping and it's yours.

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy
lmao

https://youtu.be/kXgg4HQMXUQ

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

What? He's not wrong or blue bleedin ooh rah

standard.deviant
May 17, 2012

Globally Indigent

lite_sleepr posted:

What? He's not wrong or blue bleedin ooh rah
On the other hand, he looks and talks like he's being held at gunpoint.

whatspeakyou
Mar 3, 2010

no fucks given.

A Kpro posted:

Did anybody really want this crap? Throw me a few bucks to cover shipping and it's yours.

Sizes?

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school

Dinosaur Gum

ABU Pants are 34R, the lightweight ones. I used them for maybe a year.
Fleece pants and APECS pants are both large. Still in the original plastic, I've never touched them.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Where are you located? I'd toss a few buck for those APECS pants.

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school

Dinosaur Gum
I'm in Minnesota.

whatspeakyou
Mar 3, 2010

no fucks given.

A Kpro posted:

I'm in Minnesota.

I'll PM you. I'd gladly take the camelback.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
How do you deal with the depression brought on by a bad commander whose immediate reaction to your every first time mistake is a formal LOR?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
You give that future MAJCOM/CC the respect he deserves.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
o i c

Granted I'm not in the hot water Maj Turpiano was in, but this LOR per mistake business is becoming a bit much.

lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Aug 3, 2016

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

You go to the ADC

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
lol

my ADC is located at Maxwell, 3 hours away. I can *try* to reach them by email, good luck, but I'd have better luck sucking off a pistol.

To those few field grades we have in here, what is the purpose of an O5 when issuing an LOR rather than the supervisor? As in my instance, a singular mistake in 10 months and hundreds of products has resulted in 2 mistakes. Both mistakes were caught and corrected before any adverse conditions could affect people. Rather than get a verbal first from my direct supervisor, it's gone straight to the O5 in charge of the squadron I'm in to a formal reporting statement LOR presentation.

Why would this happen? This flies in the face of common sense, competent leadership, and the continuum of discipline. First time offenses that don't result in damage to govt property or people shouldn't warrant this.

lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Aug 3, 2016

xsf421
Feb 17, 2011

lite_sleepr posted:


Why would this happen? This flies in the face of common sense, competent leadership, and the continuum of discipline. First time offenses that don't result in damage to govt property or people shouldn't warrant this.

usaf.txt

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
This is the kind of poo poo that makes people bring guns to work.

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

lite_sleepr posted:

This is the kind of poo poo that makes people bring guns to work.

:nsa:

xsf421
Feb 17, 2011

lite_sleepr posted:

This is the kind of poo poo that makes people bring guns to work.

I recommend a heavy dose of DD214.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

Oh no, please don't doxx me.

but I'm not wrong.

Weren't you the guy who got beat up in a parking lot by a girl who you sexually harassed, while being the SARC monitor?

xsf421 posted:

I recommend a heavy dose of DD214.

If I didn't have 5 years left until retirement.

I should have known better than to vent/look for solace here. Most of you are out and can't or wont sympathize. It's just an incredibly lovely feeling to know that months of good work go by unnoticed or appreciated because it's expected, but one un-serious flaw gets on everyone's radar and suddenly your boss is casually letting you know you're going to get notified to meet the O5 because you're not perfect, all while planning their imminent PCS. Just takes you to a depression is all.

lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Aug 3, 2016

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LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

lite_sleepr posted:

Oh no, please don't doxx me.

but I'm not wrong.

Weren't you the guy who got beat up in a parking lot by a girl who you sexually harassed, while being the SARC monitor?



If I didn't have 5 years left until retirement.

I should have known better than to vent/look for solace here. Most of you are out and can't or wont sympathize. It's just an incredibly lovely feeling to know that months of good work go by unnoticed or appreciated because it's expected, but one un-serious flaw gets on everyone's radar and suddenly your boss is casually letting you know you're going to get notified to meet the O5 because you're not perfect, all while planning their imminent PCS. Just takes you to a depression is all.

Shucks kid, ya got me.

:tipshat:

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