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EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Last night for the first time I got to go fly I'm the practice area with an empty right seat.

"Go practice slow flight forced landings and steep turns" aka go hoon it up over some farms.

Fun times.

# ? Jul 27, 2016 11:45

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# ? May 17, 2024 04:43

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Welp my flight school lost 3/4 of our fleet to hail last night, guess I'll be fast tracking the rest of my MEL training and applying to lakes air, because I doubt I'll be able to make a living off of a fleet of 1 primary trainer.

# ? Jul 29, 2016 18:16

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

drat.

Any chance those things were insured well enough that they'll get replaced?

# ? Jul 29, 2016 19:12

Captain Apollo: Jun 24, 2003; King of the Pilots, CFI

Uh... Hail makes airplanes faster. Just life golf balls

# ? Jul 30, 2016 04:30

overdesigned: Apr 10, 2003; We are compassion...; Lipstick Apathy

VMFA-232 has lost another pilot, the second fatal mishap in less than a year.

Eyewitness says the jet broke up while in a dive for weapons delivery.

# ? Jul 30, 2016 19:46

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

This article is being shared on my FB feed and I'm cracking up at the captions for the first audio clip

http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a20085/how-to-fix-flying/#the-controller

"Tower, Sourdough 1931..."

"Tunnel 1931 Kennedy Tower..."

Apparently Popular Mechanics hasn't heard of an airline called "Delta," and also thinks that a tower calls an airplane something completely different than what the plane calls itself. The transcribing errors only get worse, and it's only two transmissions.

I hate this video even more because it's yet another focus on New York ATC with a narcissistic controller offering their opinion on how perfect we controllers are. You're WELCOME, flying public, for us being so loving great and perfect!

# ? Jul 30, 2016 23:59

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Ever wonder what baseball sized hail does to a 172? Me either but here you go.

EvilJoven posted:

drat.

Any chance those things were insured well enough that they'll get replaced?

They were, but I'm maybe 6-7 months out from being at ATP mins, so waiting for insurance to move their feet, then the club finding new planes, then procuring said new planes and getting them on the line, I might as well start planning to move on as that will take months.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 07:28

MrYenko: Jun 18, 2012; #2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Be still, my throbbing wallet.

http://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/1423073/1978-mooney-m20j-201-missile

# ? Aug 1, 2016 16:59

Captain Apollo: Jun 24, 2003; King of the Pilots, CFI

How do you like top overhauls and flaky cylinders?

Mooney's with continentals are on my avoid list.

Edit; but a gorgeous airplane nonetheless! Would love to fly it for 50 hours and go around the world

# ? Aug 1, 2016 17:06

Tide: Mar 27, 2010; by FactsAreUseless

Wowzer

# ? Aug 1, 2016 17:16

MrYenko: Jun 18, 2012; #2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Captain Apollo posted:

How do you like top overhauls and flaky cylinders?

I love em. I also like smashing my balls with a finishing hammer, though.

Tide posted:

Wowzer

Honestly, if hangar space near here didn't literally cost as much as the loan would for that airplane, I'd be on my way to Jacksonville. That's a hell of a lot of airplane for the price.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 17:25

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

I bet a plane that cheap needs more things done to it than a free houseboat.

# ? Aug 1, 2016 17:33

Butt Reactor: Oct 6, 2005; Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

Well I just had to fill out a fatigue report for the first time in my career. I guess it's a good thing that part 117 gave us, but it sucks that I'm gonna have to use sick pay/ vacay time to recoup what I forfeited. Oh well, I'm just gonna say that us flight crews dislike flying United as much as the passengers sometimes.

# ? Aug 2, 2016 23:30

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

Cross posting this in each aviation thread for anyone who's interested.

The ATC thread is here.

FAA Press Release

quote:

In preparation for the future workforce, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced today that it will be accepting applications from entry-level candidates for air traffic controller positions from August 8-15, 2016.

“We provide the safest, most efficient airspace system in the world and we need exceptional people to support our mission,” said FAA Administrator Michael Huerta.

The FAA regulates the aviation industry to ensure that every person who travels through America’s skies arrives safely at their destination. The FAA employs more than 14,000 air traffic controllers who are largely responsible for carrying out this mission.

The job vacancy announcement for the position of Air Traffic Control Specialist-Trainee will be available on USAJobs.gov, the federal government's official job site. If you’re interested in applying, you can establish an online account today. This is a highly competitive position. The agency expects more than 25,000 applications for approximately 1,400 positions during the seven-day job opening. All applicants will need to meet basic qualifications and answer specific questions for this position once the job is announced.
Air Traffic Control Specialists (ATCS) are responsible for the safe, orderly, and expeditious movement of air traffic through the nation's airspace.

Developmental controllers receive a wide range of training in controlling and separating live air traffic within designated airspace at and around an air traffic control tower or radar approach control facility, or air route traffic control center. As a new ATCS, you will spend your first several months of employment in an intensive training program at the FAA Academy located in Oklahoma City, OK.

The FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016 affected the ATCS hiring process. As a result of this legislation, candidates who graduated from a Collegiate Training Initiative (CTI) program are required to submit proof of graduation and an appropriate recommendation from the CTI institution. Eligible veteran candidates are required to provide a Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active duty within 120 days of the announcement closing. The FAA strongly encourages potential applicants to take the necessary measures to obtain this information as soon as possible to receive consideration for ATCS positons.

To learn more about the air traffic controller profession as well as an overview of the day-to-day work please view this link:
https://www.faa.gov/jobs/

The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Aug 3, 2016

# ? Aug 3, 2016 00:36

Duke Chin: Jan 11, 2002; _{^{Roger That:}}
MILK CRATES INBOUND

_{_{^{- FUCK THE HABS -}}}

I wish I wasn't too old because I would apply in a heartbeat. :smith:

# ? Aug 3, 2016 00:40

Rolo: Nov 16, 2005; Hmm, what have we here?

Isn't too old like 27?

# ? Aug 3, 2016 01:23

Duke Chin: Jan 11, 2002; _{^{Roger That:}}
MILK CRATES INBOUND

_{_{^{- FUCK THE HABS -}}}

Minimum Requirements:

Be a United States citizen
Be under the age of 31 on August 15, 2016*

I'm 8

's over.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 01:39

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

Duke Chin posted:

Minimum Requirements:

Be a United States citizen

Be under the age of 31 on August 15, 2016*

I'm 8 's over.

's, hi birthday neighbor.

Also, an F18 crashed at Fallon during a repair check flight, pilot is fine therefore lol.

shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Aug 3, 2016

# ? Aug 3, 2016 01:43

Bob A Feet: Aug 10, 2005; Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

Jesus it has not been a good year for the F18 community

# ? Aug 3, 2016 02:51

dexter6: Sep 22, 2003

Duke Chin posted:

Minimum Requirements:

Be a United States citizen

Be under the age of 31 on August 15, 2016*

I'm 8 's over.

1 day too old

# ? Aug 3, 2016 02:54

Duke Chin: Jan 11, 2002; _{^{Roger That:}}
MILK CRATES INBOUND

_{_{^{- FUCK THE HABS -}}}

shame on an IGA posted:

Also, an F18 crashed at Fallon during a repair check flight, pilot is fine therefore lol.

Clearly the repairs did not take.

Jobs I would do: military test pilot
Jobs I would not do: military repair check pilot.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 04:10

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Duke Chin posted:

Clearly the repairs did not take.

Jobs I would do: military test pilot
Jobs I would not do: military repair check pilot.

Being an A&P having to go on post-MX flights has sounded like a loving terrible job ever since I heard one ate it on maintenance flight on an ABX DC-8 a while back.

e- This'n: http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Pages/Uncontrolled_Flight_into_Terrain_Airborne_Express_DC-8_Narrows_Virginia_December_22_1996.aspx

CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Aug 3, 2016

# ? Aug 3, 2016 05:26

The Locator: Sep 12, 2004; Out here, everything hurts.

Duke Chin posted:

I wish I wasn't too old because I would apply in a heartbeat.

Me too.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 06:02

overdesigned: Apr 10, 2003; We are compassion...; Lipstick Apathy

shame on an IGA posted:

Also, an F18 crashed at Fallon during a repair check flight, pilot is fine therefore lol.

Belonged to VMFA-232, the same squadron that had the fatal one last week

# ? Aug 3, 2016 06:10

Kilonum: Sep 30, 2002; You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

overdesigned posted:

Belonged to VMFA-232, the same squadron that had the fatal one last week

I just found out yesterday that my brother (F-18 instructor in VMFAT-101) is on the review board for that one.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 13:48

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Emirates, The World's Greatest Airline, just had a 777-300 crash land at DXB. Everybody got out, fortunately. Looking forward to Sir Tim Clark suggesting American/Delta/United had something to do with it.

There's some suggestion the crew noticing the landing gear wasn't down and locked on short final and attempted a go-around but the plane didn't climb? :confused:

# ? Aug 3, 2016 14:40

Captain Apollo: Jun 24, 2003; King of the Pilots, CFI

FYI I'm now a published author in a prominent aviation magazine.

:clint:

# ? Aug 4, 2016 04:59

Tide: Mar 27, 2010; by FactsAreUseless

Nice!

# ? Aug 4, 2016 05:16

Bob A Feet: Aug 10, 2005; Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

Our squadron is doing a mandatory no fly day in compliance with some higher directive due to all the naval aviation mishaps lately.

I land at 0100 tonight and after paperwork, debrief will probably be home at 0400. Show time, non negotiable, is 0730 tomorrow. REAL SAFE.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 19:17

Tide: Mar 27, 2010; by FactsAreUseless

Pop a provigil and fist slam Highway to the Danger Zone into the tape deck

# ? Aug 4, 2016 21:04

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A CASSETTE INTO THE SLOT. ITS THE SOUNDTRACK TO TOP GUN AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START POPPING VIVARIN...

# ? Aug 5, 2016 15:23

overdesigned: Apr 10, 2003; We are compassion...; Lipstick Apathy

We sent my waiver request to Pensacola this week. In 4-6 weeks I should know if I ever get to fly again! :ohdear:

# ? Aug 5, 2016 21:21

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

overdesigned posted:

We sent my waiver request to Pensacola this week. In 4-6 weeks I should know if I ever get to fly again!

Good luck. I've thought about you from time to time, hoping you'd be able to get back in the saddle.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 21:40

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Bob A Feet posted:

Our squadron is doing a mandatory no fly day in compliance with some higher directive due to all the naval aviation mishaps lately.

I land at 0100 tonight and after paperwork, debrief will probably be home at 0400. Show time, non negotiable, is 0730 tomorrow. REAL SAFE.

That's the most military thing I've ever heard.

And if you were to raise concern about it you'd just get labeled a complainer/dirtbag.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 22:51

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

We're about to start a training stand-down at the DFW Approach Control too.

Hopefully won't delay me too much. I think they're just doing it to give the certified controllers a "break." Everyone's training 4+ hours per shift and it takes its toll. Especially if they have a bad trainee.

I'm not going to suggest what type of trainee I might be.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 23:32

simble: May 11, 2004

"This mother fucker and his mother loving book. Yes, I know what the regs say, but please, SHUT THE gently caress UP!"

How close am I?

# ? Aug 5, 2016 23:40

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

Close.

Sincerely, a lot of the time it's "Ask FK," or, "Oh, FK said that.... Where did you read that it was wrong?"

I knew from day 1 that my strength in this agency was going to be my ability to memorize useless minutae. I figured if I got good enough at that, they'd let me slide on my sub-par controlling.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 23:46

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Bob A Feet posted:

Our squadron is doing a mandatory no fly day in compliance with some higher directive due to all the naval aviation mishaps lately.

I land at 0100 tonight and after paperwork, debrief will probably be home at 0400. Show time, non negotiable, is 0730 tomorrow. REAL SAFE.

Jesus.

And for your two hours of DoD-alloted sleep, you can eventually go fly an RJ in slightly less bad conditions at the low, low time of just 750 hours!

# ? Aug 6, 2016 00:06

two_beer_bishes: Jun 27, 2004

Xposting from the AI thread:

Not sure if anyone here has been following the Bugatti 100p project that's been going on for a while. It crashed today, killing the pilot.

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# ? May 17, 2024 04:43

KodiakRS: Jul 11, 2012

The Ferret King posted:

I knew from day 1 that my strength in this agency was going to be my ability to memorize useless minutae. I figured if I got good enough at that, they'd let me slide on my sub-par controlling.

Between this comment and the alarming consistency with which air shuttle fucks up the difference between 17L and 17C I'm starting to get a lot more nervous about flying into DFW.

# ? Aug 6, 2016 21:46

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