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Currently building a new PC and need to know what the consensus top PCI-E SSD is? The lower 400gbish models, not the $8k 2-3TB nonsense. Currently using an Intel 750.
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Jul 31, 2016 08:45
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Love Crime posted:Currently building a new PC and need to know what the consensus top PCI-E SSD is? The lower 400gbish models, not the $8k 2-3TB nonsense. The best you can currently (and easily) buy is the Samsung 950 Pro 512GB with an adapter card (like an Angelbird PX1). The best you can *not* so easily buy is the Samsung SM961 with an adapter card: https://www.ramcity.com.au/upgrade/data-storage/internal-solid-state-drives/samsung-sm961/143419 And if you want to make *sure* you're covered thermally: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/aqua-computer-launches-kryom-2-pcie-riserheatsinkand-block-for-m-2-ssds.html BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 09:25
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The best you can currently (and easily) buy is the Samsung 950 Pro 512GB with an adapter card (like an Angelbird PX1). The best you can *not* so easily buy is the Samsung SM961 with an adapter card: Huh, I don't have any experience with M.2 since my 750 is full PCI-E card but I just ran benchmarks on it for an hour and it wasn't even warm to the touch. is M.2 supposed to be a heat magnet enough to warrant that or were you joking? Also I don't really understand the adapter part. I'd like to get a SM961 since you said it is better and I'll have this PC a long time. So I need to find a SM961, an adapter card (it isn't offered in a PCI-E card like the Intel 750 I'm using now?), and potentially a heatsink for it?
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Jul 31, 2016 13:38
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Love Crime posted:Huh, I don't have any experience with M.2 since my 750 is full PCI-E card but I just ran benchmarks on it for an hour and it wasn't even warm to the touch. is M.2 supposed to be a heat magnet enough to warrant that or were you joking? M.2 has noting to do with the heat, it's just that very fast SSDs have controller chips that output a lot of heat under heavy operation, the 750 is the same it just comes with a heat sink preinstalled. And yeah, if you don't have an m.2 slot on your mobo you need an adapter card with an m.2 slot to fit an m.2 drive and you probably want to heat sink it so you don't get performance throttling under heavy load due to heat.
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Jul 31, 2016 14:03
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:M.2 has noting to do with the heat, it's just that very fast SSDs have controller chips that output a lot of heat under heavy operation, the 750 is the same it just comes with a heat sink preinstalled. And yeah, if you don't have an m.2 slot on your mobo you need an adapter card with an m.2 slot to fit an m.2 drive and you probably want to heat sink it so you don't get performance throttling under heavy load due to heat. The 750 is kind of a notch up in build quality since it is basically enterprise SSD. Does this matter to most people? No. The 750 destroys the 950 Pro in random iops. The 950 pro is a bit faster sustained reads and writes. The 750 has power loss protection, the 950 does not. redeyes fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 14:42
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Getting confused here. My new PC will have an M.2 slot and a free PCI-E 3.0 x16 (and 8x and 4x). I'd rather use a PCI-E slot for my SSD instead of M.2 since it sounds like it'd be better. Is the Samsung SM961 not offered like that? If not, I can buy an adapter that will do it (Angelbird PX1?)
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Jul 31, 2016 15:29
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Do you often run large data processing jobs that work with hundreds of GB of data, that get rewritten too, and will run for 30+ seconds using a PCI-e or NMVe SSD? If the answer is "yes", then you may possibly need a heatsink on your SSD to avoid performance throttling. If the answer is "no", then don't bother trying to get a heatsink onto the SSD and just get an M.2 NVMe.
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Jul 31, 2016 15:53
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Love Crime posted:Getting confused here. My new PC will have an M.2 slot and a free PCI-E 3.0 x16 (and 8x and 4x). I'd rather use a PCI-E slot for my SSD instead of M.2 since it sounds like it'd be better. Is the Samsung SM961 not offered like that? If not, I can buy an adapter that will do it (Angelbird PX1?) M.2 is just a physical interface format, a 950 Pro or SM961 still uses the PCIe bus to interface with the computer just like PCIe drives such as your Intel 750.
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Jul 31, 2016 19:09
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Also, the SM961 is faster, but unless you've got a need for 2000MB/sec reads vs. 3000MB/sec, or you want a 1TB M.2 drive vs. being capped at 512GB, you'll never feel the difference. Also, the 950 Pro is warrantied longer since it's a consumer drive. The SM961 is OEM, which is why you generally have to buy them from a place in Australia.
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Jul 31, 2016 19:38
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If I can get an Intel 540s 500gb for $50 cheaper than the equivalent Samsung 850 EVO, will I regret not spending the $50 down the line? I know Intel drives are generally well regarded, but seeing a 500gb intel for $120 makes me pause for a second and look for the catch. e; originally I said 850 Pro instead of EVO Dramatika fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 21:08
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Considering the intel 540s is about as bad as the BX200, you will regret it.
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Jul 31, 2016 22:14
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Dramatika posted:If I can get an Intel 540s 500gb for $50 cheaper than the equivalent Samsung 850 EVO, will I regret not spending the $50 down the line? I know Intel drives are generally well regarded, but seeing a 500gb intel for $120 makes me pause for a second and look for the catch. I'll let AnandTech's review sum it up. The current retail pricing of the Intel SSD 540s makes my recommendation quite simple: don't buy.
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Jul 31, 2016 22:36
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Peanut3141 posted:I'll let AnandTech's review sum it up. The current retail pricing of the Intel SSD 540s makes my recommendation quite simple: don't buy. Yeah, when Anandtech is recommending something from ADATA over the 540s, that's pretty clear. Of course, it also mentions the Sandisk X400, which is a perfectly viable drive and cheaper alternative to the 850 EVO if you really have to pinch pennies. Love Crime posted:Huh, I don't have any experience with M.2 since my 750 is full PCI-E card but I just ran benchmarks on it for an hour and it wasn't even warm to the touch. is M.2 supposed to be a heat magnet enough to warrant that or were you joking? Your Intel 750 *is* heatsinked. That's what the aluminum shroud is for. Here's what your 750 looks like under the metal (the white circles are thermal interface material pads):  The heatsink isn't *required*, but they've done a fair amount of reviews with PCIe NVMe M.2 drives on both motherboard-down and PCIe adapters, and nearly all of them reach a thermal throttling limit at some point, not that you'd ever notice if it did, since it'd still be clocking in excess of 900MB/sec at the minimum. Intel thought it prudent to cool the 750, so if it were my system (and it will be, when I upgrade), I'd be using a heatsink on my M.2. Just don't remove any of the stickers that are on the stick, or you risk voiding your warranty - this isn't like a CPU where everything needs to be clean and pasted - you just want a means of heat transference. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 23:22
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Thanks  It's not that I need to pinch pennies, but I'd just like to replace the HDD in my 5 year old Core i5 laptop with an SSD - not going to be heavy load, I do most of my poo poo on my desktop, but when I'm on my couch or in bed and want to look up some crap or stream something, it'd be nice to boot up in seconds rather than minutes. It feels dumb to go high end on something I don't really use too often, but at the same time I don't want to buy garbage either.
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Aug 1, 2016 00:24
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A 128gb 750 evo is fifty bucks with Prime if all you do is
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Aug 1, 2016 02:23
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The Intel SSD toolbox doesn't support Secure Erase for my 520 under Windows 8/2012 (I'm running 10) so will a format + optimize (with force TRIM) do the trick? I want to resell the drive so I'm not worried about anything more aggressive than software data recovery.
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Aug 1, 2016 15:19
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Shumagorath posted:The Intel SSD toolbox doesn't support Secure Erase for my 520 under Windows 8/2012 (I'm running 10) so will a format + optimize (with force TRIM) do the trick? I want to resell the drive so I'm not worried about anything more aggressive than software data recovery. Just drag 200GB of movies or something over to the drive and then delete them
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Aug 1, 2016 15:38
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Am I being foolish for waiting for 850 EVO 500gb to slide closer to $100? I currently have a 120gb OCZ and a 1tb disk drive, both of which are about 6 years old, which is mostly fine aside from the impending failure of the drives, and my needs would be perfectly fine with just going to a 500gb drive.
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Aug 1, 2016 16:28
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Neon Belly posted:Am I being foolish for waiting for 850 EVO 500gb to slide closer to $100? I currently have a 120gb OCZ and a 1tb disk drive, both of which are about 6 years old, which is mostly fine aside from the impending failure of the drives, and my needs would be perfectly fine with just going to a 500gb drive. I haven't seen a lot of Samsung SSD's on Slickdeals lately. How long do you want to wait? Black Friday? Regular price seems to be ~ $160 right now so it might be a little while CCC shows the prices have actually been creeping up on those the past few months Bob Morales fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Aug 1, 2016 16:39
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Bob Morales posted:Just drag 200GB of movies or something over to the drive and then delete them It turns out my new board has a secure erase functionality in the UEFI and despite warnings and outdated / never once updated docs (lol Asus heart touching rock solid once again) it works on the 520 series. Before that I did most of a full format followed by a TRIM optimization in the toolbox so if anyone can get data off of that drive now I clearly pissed off a government.
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Aug 1, 2016 16:47
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Bob Morales posted:I haven't seen a lot of Samsung SSD's on Slickdeals lately. How long do you want to wait? Black Friday? I'm not in a particular rush, other than my disk drive failing, although Black Friday is probably where I'll just go with whatever price it's at.
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Aug 1, 2016 17:59
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Looking at Amazon they seem to be around $140 right now You can get another brand for $90 if you look around - but it's probably worth it to spend the extra on an EVO 850
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Aug 1, 2016 18:16
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Neon Belly posted:Am I being foolish for waiting for 850 EVO 500gb to slide closer to $100? I currently have a 120gb OCZ and a 1tb disk drive, both of which are about 6 years old, which is mostly fine aside from the impending failure of the drives, and my needs would be perfectly fine with just going to a 500gb drive. I'd guess 6 months to a year before that hits the $100 mark.
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Aug 1, 2016 18:20
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Got a shiny new 1TB M.2 850, but it is reporting as slightly slower than my old SATA 840 256GB which is also still plugged in. Thoughts on figuring out why this is? This is according to samsung magician, which is also reporting the M.2 drive as being connected over SATA 3 so I'm not entire confident in this tool.
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Aug 3, 2016 01:11
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Neon Belly posted:Am I being foolish for waiting for 850 EVO 500gb to slide closer to $100? I currently have a 120gb OCZ and a 1tb disk drive, both of which are about 6 years old, which is mostly fine aside from the impending failure of the drives, and my needs would be perfectly fine with just going to a 500gb drive.
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Aug 3, 2016 02:07
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Does the 2TB 850 EVO have any weird bullshit? I've already got a Crucial M4 and 840 Evo and I swear I am cursed to getting SSDs that later end up with problems.
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Aug 3, 2016 02:12
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space marine todd posted:Does the 2TB 850 EVO have any weird bullshit? I've already got a Crucial M4 and 840 Evo and I swear I am cursed to getting SSDs that later end up with problems. The 1TB ones are fine, I have 2. 2TB doesn't seem to have any issues from internet searches but who knows. I would say, the SATA controller probably matters as much as the SSD. Intel over AMD blah blah.
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Aug 3, 2016 02:55
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Dumb question but do most hard drives include SATA cables with them? I can't remember if the two I have in my PC now came with cords, if my MB had the cords
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Aug 3, 2016 04:27
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Mine have all come with the board or been individual purchases.
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Aug 3, 2016 04:46
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SSDs often don't come with SATA cables, but hard drives retail packages should always have them.
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Aug 3, 2016 04:48
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Pryor on Fire posted:Got a shiny new 1TB M.2 850, but it is reporting as slightly slower than my old SATA 840 256GB which is also still plugged in. Thoughts on figuring out why this is? This is according to samsung magician, which is also reporting the M.2 drive as being connected over SATA 3 so I'm not entire confident in this tool. I think you jumped the gun based on an assumption that m.2 drives are inherently different from sata3 drives. They are not necessarily different. The 850 Evo is a storage device that uses the AHCI standard -- think of it as a language -- to talk with your computer. Whether connected by an m.2 slot or internal SATA2 or SATA3 cable, the EVO will talk with your computer using the AHCI SATA protocol. AHCI and its predecessor, IDE, are designed to accommodate disks that must physically seek between reads, so they have a lot of overhead built in that becomes unnecessary or redundant with SSD tech that just simply retrieves your data without any significant latency. Just because the 850 EVO is m.2 doesn't make it any faster -- it still uses the legacy AHCI protocol. This isn't a scam, you just may not have known that the real speed demon people are talking about with respect to m.2 drives is actually unrelated to interface. See, for a while now, it's been possible to attach a bunch of SandForce controllers to a bunch of NAND storage chups and slap it into a PCIe slot next to your graphics card. The RevoDrive was one of these things. By presenting itself as a raid controller, the device would invisibly use much faster storage tech and control software and schlep this fire hydrant of data down the uber-fast PCI bus. Now that everyone can make nand memory cheaper and everyone wants ssd drives, the storage industry formalized a standard for PCI storage by ripping all the bulk out of ahci - essentially just replacing it from scratch with the speed and parallelism of nand chips in mind. This is the NVMe protocol, the successor of AHCI and the cool thing people have been talking about. Unfortunately, NVMe and m.2 are kinda new to consumers, so a lot of people assume that m.2 drives are inherently NVMe drives. That isn't the case for SATA m.2 drives like the 850 EVO. Whether connected by m.2 or a sata cable, it's still an ahci legacy device. This isn't dirty marketing - there is a legit need for m.2 sata devices in non-elite ultraportable laptops that can't fit a 2.5" drive. It just so happens that the 950 PRO NVMe m.2 slot came out at the same time that Intel introduced unswitched, direct PCI lanes on Skylake, allowing m.2 slots on boards designed to expose them to the PCI bus to, if the manufacturer wanted, provide a direct unmediated link between the NVMe device and the cpu itself. No interstitial PCI switch, direct. If you want to use NVMe devices with m.2 connectors, check the following: 1) that your motherboard m.2 slot has PCIe x4 lanes 2) that your m.2 device is nvme (the 950 Pro is the one, not the 850 Evo) 3) post here with your mobo, ssd, and processor model numbers so we can double check and save you a second return of hardware to your vendor
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Aug 3, 2016 05:02
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Also keep in mind that the price:performance ratio of NVMe drives isn't very good yet for typical use, as loading a big chunk of data into RAM like most games and other desktop workloads doesn't change a whole lot. Do Sandforce still make controllers? It's annoying that my Intel 520 doesn't fit into my BitLocker scheme because of their compression/de-dupe stuff (nevermind that the 850 Evo supports eDrive). Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Aug 3, 2016 05:16
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:SSDs often don't come with SATA cables, but hard drives retail packages should always have them. My 1 TB WD Blue just came in an anti-static bag with nothing else in it. Every modern motherboard I've seen comes with 2 or more SATA cables though.
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Aug 3, 2016 08:01
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Potato Salad posted:I think you jumped the gun based on an assumption that m.2 drives are inherently different from sata3 drives. They are not necessarily different. This is such a great post, thanks for educating my "hasn't upgraded since 2500k" dumb rear end.
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Aug 3, 2016 13:53
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Why haven't you made a new SSD megathread yet
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Aug 3, 2016 13:56
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Actually the op says I can go for it, I'll have time tonight or tomorrow
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Aug 3, 2016 14:05
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Fat_Cow posted:Dumb question but do most hard drives include SATA cables with them? I can't remember if the two I have in my PC now came with cords, if my MB had the cords Never, in my experience. They come with motherboards, usually.
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Aug 3, 2016 15:21
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The best you can *not* so easily buy is the Samsung SM961 with an adapter card: These were originally supposed to show up at the end of July, now it looks like they're delayed until the end of September. Sick paper launch, Samsung.
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Aug 3, 2016 17:07
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Gray Matter posted:
Get a 500gb 850 Evo for $116 (+ sales tax if applicable) at Groupon using promo code FIRST. Must be your first Groupon purchase (just make a new Groupon account you goon) *mod edit* -- no referral links outside of Coupons, please. Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Aug 3, 2016 21:09
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Can I get some live troubleshooting help before I do something irreversible? I boot up my pc today and the OS is apparently gone from my ssd (950 pro). Everything was fine yesterday, no extraordinary events or changes. Bios sees the device but I'm getting blank screen with what looks like a spade ascii character if I try to boot off it. Mobo is showing me AE - Legacy Boot event. Tried disabling CSM, and also disconnecting power to the pc for 10 minutes as some suggested.
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