BSS Movie Thread (And The Stupenderful Articulation Of Substandard Speculation)

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purple death ray: Jul 28, 2007; me omw 2 steal ur girl

I'm not trying to be authoritative here. I'm not saying nobody should go see Suicide Squad. If you watched the trailers and saw the images and somehow think it looks good then by all means go see it. Obviously people are going to like different things. I realize this is the Internet and if I say "you don't have to go see this movie" your knee-jerk translation of that is "this movie looks like poo poo and you're an idiot if you watch it" but that's really not what I mean.

I just mean there is sometimes a sense of obligation when it comes to comic book movies and comic book people. People seem to be saying "I don't really think it will be good, but I'll go see it anyway." I don't think we as comic book people need to have that level of, I don't know, solidarity?

Maybe it's just me but the opinion I've formed based on literally everything about the movie I've seen is good enough for me. I don't need to go see the movie just to confirm what I'm 99% sure I will think of it, just so I can say I've formed my own opinion. By that logic, you've got to see every single movie that gets made, because you can't decide whether it's worth your time or not until you've already spent that time to see it. And even if you decide it's not, WB already has your money. Just think about it, be honest with yourself, and maybe stay home and watch Aliens again.

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Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

Maybe they already bought tickets. They don't refund those.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 04:18

MooselanderII: Feb 18, 2004

CzarChasm posted:

Source please, because if it's a reviewer I like, this has just cemented my "Not gonna go" position.

It's from this review: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/08/suicide-squad-review

# ? Aug 3, 2016 04:28

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

He liked Now You See Me 2. What a monster.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 04:31

Big Bad Voodoo Lou: Jan 1, 2006

I hated Man of Steel, thought Batman v. Superman: Extended Edition had some decent parts that helped balance out the awful parts, felt Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises were mostly joyless slogs, and never even saw Green Lantern.

But I'm looking forward to Suicide Squad, mostly because I'm still a huge fan of the late '80s John Ostrander series (although I hated the first TPB of the New 52 series). As long as Deadshot and Captain Boomerang are cool, I'll be content, even if the rest of the movie is terrible. And my wife, who normally isn't into superhero movies at all, actually wants to see this because of Margot Robbie as Harley, so it will be interesting to see what she thinks.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 04:55

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

CzarChasm posted:

See, I was on the verge because I like the idea of an SS movie. The concept is classic - it's The Dirty Dozen meets Batman. Great. But with Leto-Joker and all the garbage surrounding him and his antics*, it has completely turned me off the idea. I feel as though if I pay for a movie ticket, I'm sending the wrong message. I'm saying "More of this, please".

*On that note, either it's bullshit ("Joker's so crazy our actor had to get crazy to learn what it was like - pass it on") or Jared Leto is a loving sociopath, and gently caress that.

Also from the reviews, Joker doesn't even have any scenes with any characters that aren't Harley Quinn. All the statements from the actors about how his antics helped create a feeling of antagonism with his character are nonsense because none of them ever actually acted in any scenes with Leto. It was pure marketing/promotional material to make people think Joker was a bigger part of the film than he was.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 05:03

Ojjeorago: Sep 21, 2008; I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...; Gary’s Answer

Aphrodite posted:

He liked Now You See Me 2. What a monster.

Now You See Me 2 is a much better movie than Suicide Squad.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 05:47

BravestOfTheLamps: Oct 12, 2012; by FactsAreUseless; Lipstick Apathy

The movie doesn't sound nearly as interesting as the psychodrama nerds are imagining around it, with evil corporation WB corrupting it and forcing last minute reshoots, and Snyder skulking around (the movie was "forced" to conform to his style), as opposed to Disney/Marvel who remain tastefully in the background.

BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Sep 11, 2016

# ? Aug 3, 2016 09:29

Jamesman: Nov 19, 2004; "First off, let me start by saying curly light blond hair does not suit Hyomin at all. Furthermore,"; Fun Shoe

Travis343 posted:

There's a lot of people ITT that are like "Oh no, this sucks. I'm still gonna see it though".

Like you realize you don't have to go see it? I know we're comic nerds and we feel like we have to be aware of comic nerd stuff, often to our detriment, but really, you don't have to go see it. I went and saw BvS because I felt like I had to form an opinion on it, because I'm real into Batman. I wish I hadn't! I'm not going to go see movies that I think will be terrible anymore.

If we don't see the movie, people will tell us we have no right to criticize the movie. We must support bad movies so that we can legally say they are bad. Or something.

(I'm probably gonna see it on Netflix or something. I still haven't seen Man or Steel or BvS)

# ? Aug 3, 2016 10:48

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

The movie doesn't sound nearly as interesting as the psychodrama nerds are imagining around it, with evil corporation WB corrupting it and forcing last minute reshoots, and Snyder skulking around (the movie was "forced" to conform to his style), as opposed to Disney/Marvel who remain tastefully in the background.

Well you see Marvel is like Pope Julius II in terms of commissioning artists while DC/WB is more like some weirdo from deviantart. :v:

# ? Aug 3, 2016 12:34

BravestOfTheLamps: Oct 12, 2012; by FactsAreUseless; Lipstick Apathy

achillesforever6 posted:

Well you see Marvel is like Pope Julius II in terms of commissioning artists while DC/WB is more like some weirdo from deviantart.

You're saying that Marvel is relying on the achievements of a maligned but actually quite competent rival (Alexander VI/DC)?

# ? Aug 3, 2016 12:38

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

You're saying that Marvel is relying on the achievements of a maligned but actually quite competent rival (Alexander VI/DC)?

I was mostly joking about the controlling nature of Marvel when it comes to dictating how their movies were made.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 12:52

lomzus: Mar 18, 2009

Lots of things went on with Suicide Squads production.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693?utm_source=twitter

# ? Aug 3, 2016 13:46

Open Marriage Night: Sep 18, 2009; "Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"

I'm going to buy a ticket to Ghostbusters, and then sneak into Suicide Squad, so at least my money goes to the right place.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 15:05

greatn: Nov 15, 2006; by Lowtax

Sony is worse than WB.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 15:07

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

Sony is actually making MIB Jump Street, so no they're not.

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Ignite Memories: Feb 27, 2005

# ? Aug 3, 2016 15:21

Dario the Wop: Oct 11, 2007; Hell-Sent, Heaven-Bent

Sony's prospective mishandling of the Valiant Universe films is really depressing.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 15:22

Sentinel Red: Nov 13, 2007; Style > Content.

Hahaha, holy poo poo, another one:

"Worse than Green Lantern, worse than Fantastic Four."

Surely not. SURELY. I refuse to believe it could really be that bad.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 16:09

Arist: Feb 13, 2012; _{who, me?}

Article about Suicide Squad's behind-the-scenes issues.

quote:

Warners chief Kevin Tsujihara announced the project in October 2014 as part of a slate of 10 DC films stretching into 2020. Though the studio believed there was enough time to get the movie done, a source with ties to the project says it was a sprint from the start. "[Ayer] wrote the script in like, six weeks, and they just went," he says, arguing that the whole process would have benefited if Ayer, 48, had been given more time to work. But another source closely involved with the film says once it was dated, pushing back the release was not an option: "It's not just that you've told the public the movie is coming, you've made huge deals around the world with huge branding partners, with merchandise partners. It's a really big deal to move a tentpole date."

quote:

A source with knowledge of events says Warners executives, nervous from the start, grew more anxious after they were blindsided and deeply rattled by the tepid response to BvS. "Kevin was really pissed about damage to the brand," says one executive close to the studio. A key concern for Warners executives was that Suicide Squad didn't deliver on the fun, edgy tone promised in the strong teaser trailer for the film. So while Ayer pursued his original vision, Warners set about working on a different cut, with an assist from Trailer Park, the company that had made the teaser.

By the time the film was done, multiple editors had been brought into the process, though only John Gilroy is credited. (A source says he left by the end of the process and that the final editor was Michael Tronick.) "When you have big tentpoles and time pressure, you pull in resources from every which way you can," says this source. "You can't do it the way it used to be, with one editor and one assistant editor."

In May, Ayer's more somber version and a lighter, studio-favored version were tested with audiences in Northern California. "If there are multiple opinions that aren't in sync, you go down multiple tracks � two tracks at least," says an insider. "That was the case here for a period of time, always trying to get to a place where you have consensus." Those associated with the film insist Ayer agreed to and participated in the process. Once feedback on the two versions was analyzed, it became clear it was possible to get to "a very common-ground place." (The studio-favored version with more characters introduced early in the film and jazzed-up graphics won.) Getting to that place of consensus, however, required millions of dollars worth of additional photography.

The reshoots were definitely to make it more fun, and whatever Ayer's original vision was got lost in all of it because it didn't test well.

e: poo poo, missed it upthread, whatever

# ? Aug 3, 2016 16:21

Uncle Boogeyman: Jul 22, 2007

Sentinel Red posted:

Hahaha, holy poo poo, another one:

"Worse than Green Lantern, worse than Fantastic Four."

Surely not. SURELY. I refuse to believe it could really be that bad.

I mean I doubt it's even worse than Batman v Superman

# ? Aug 3, 2016 16:32

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I do find it interesting that they may have blown up the film because a teaser trailer tested positively with a tone that didn't fit Ayer's movie. Studios are dumb.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 17:43

Monaghan: Dec 29, 2006

So given the audience reaction it seems like they were damned if they do damned if they don't situation.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 18:57

Calaveron: Aug 7, 2006

Worse than F4nt4stic F4ur isn't a criticism that should be thrown around lightly so holy poo poo if it's true

# ? Aug 3, 2016 19:27

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

You're saying that Marvel is relying on the achievements of a maligned but actually quite competent rival (Alexander VI/DC)?

Is that the guy I beat up in Assassin's Creed 2?

# ? Aug 3, 2016 19:32

site: Apr 6, 2007; Trans pride, Worldwide
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I dunno how much weight it holds with you guys but ca did not like suicide squad

http://comicsalliance.com/suicide-squad-review-the-dc-movie-universes-darkest-night/

# ? Aug 3, 2016 19:33

Jonny_Rocket: Mar 13, 2007; "Inspiration, move me brightly"

Suicide Squad looks like it'll be a movie I'll rent on Redbox or watch on Netflix. It doesn't seem worth it to spend $20+ on what looks like an incredibly dull movie that's trying too hard to be "edgy."

CzarChasm posted:

Nothing. SS is unlikely to bomb - in terms of making money. Critical reviews won't change a drat thing.

Case in point: Batman v Superman. If there's enough of brand recognition and they market the movie well enough (as the SS people have), there's still plenty of room for profit. Then again, I don't know what the SS team spent on marketing and such.

Soonmot posted:

I'm not spending money to see a movie, I'm spending money to spend time with my friends where afterwards we will talk and laugh about how good/bad it was.

So...regardless if a movie is good or not, you're really paying for the experience? If the prices to see a movie were a bit cheaper, then sure - but at around $15+ for a single ticket? No thanks.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:25

mycot: Oct 23, 2014; "It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"; Hell Gem

Several reviews have brought it up mockingly, but can anyone name which superhero/action films had a (does review material count as spoilers?) column of light in the climax? Other than Ghostbusters of course.

I don't mean that as an argument, I have big gaps in my movie viewing and a bad memory.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:25

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

Man your ticket prices suck. Here it's like $12 Canadian.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:29

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

Guess we'll just have to content ourselves with our cheaper literally everything else.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:34

Jonny_Rocket: Mar 13, 2007; "Inspiration, move me brightly"

Aphrodite posted:

Man your ticket prices suck. Here it's like $12 Canadian.

Yeah, they do :smith:

I'd be seeing a lot more movies if it wasn't so drat expensive. I remember when it was like $5.50 - $6 for a movie when I was younger, and I felt like I saw a ton more movies then than I do now.

Since the prices are astronomically higher than they were, I feel like I'm much more critical nowadays of what I want to spend money on seeing.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:35

site: Apr 6, 2007; Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Yeah ticket prices are crap up here too. Like $8 for a matinee, 15 for regular, imax 20 imax 3d 25

Sometimes I wonder of movie sales are really even comparable at all to stuff that came out before like 2000 just cuz of astronomical price inflation and price tiers like that.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:42

AdjectiveNoun: Oct 11, 2012; Everything. Is. Fine.

mycot posted:

Several reviews have brought it up mockingly, but can anyone name which superhero/action films had a (does review material count as spoilers?) column of light in the climax? Other than Ghostbusters of course.

I don't mean that as an argument, I have big gaps in my movie viewing and a bad memory.

Spoiler just in case Man of Steel, just before Superman destroyed the terraforming machine in the Indian Ocean, maybe?

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:44

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

They aren't and never have been since they've never, ever accounted for inflation.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:45

TwoPair: Mar 28, 2010; Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta; Grimey Drawer

Aphrodite posted:

Sony is actually making MIB Jump Street, so no they're not.

Normally I'd be excited, but given their recent track record, I'm apprehensive.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:47

X-O: Apr 28, 2002; Long Live The King!

mycot posted:

Several reviews have brought it up mockingly, but can anyone name which superhero/action films had a (does review material count as spoilers?) column of light in the climax? Other than Ghostbusters of course.

I don't mean that as an argument, I have big gaps in my movie viewing and a bad memory.

Giant columns of lights and/or sky portals? Avengers, Thor 2, Man of Steel and Fantastic Four immediately jump to mind as far as that goes. And as you mentioned, Ghostbusters

# ? Aug 3, 2016 20:54

Ferrule: Feb 23, 2007; Yo!

mycot posted:

Several reviews have brought it up mockingly, but can anyone name which superhero/action films had a (does review material count as spoilers?) column of light in the climax? Other than Ghostbusters of course.

I don't mean that as an argument, I have big gaps in my movie viewing and a bad memory.

Raiders of the Lost Ark

Total Recall

The entirety of the Chitauri invasion in the first Avengers film.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 21:01

BrianWilly: Apr 24, 2007; There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

site posted:

I dunno how much weight it holds with you guys but ca did not like suicide squad

http://comicsalliance.com/suicide-squad-review-the-dc-movie-universes-darkest-night/

It does hold weight with me at least. Y'know how folks are always saying "Don't trust aggregate reviews, trust specific reviewers that speak to you"? Well, for me ComicsAlliance is one of those.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 21:04

X-O: Apr 28, 2002; Long Live The King!

MrAristocrates posted:

Article about Suicide Squad's behind-the-scenes issues.

The reshoots were definitely to make it more fun, and whatever Ayer's original vision was got lost in all of it because it didn't test well.

e: poo poo, missed it upthread, whatever

Now the critic reviews really didn't bother me, but this does. Weren't the DC films supposedly supposed to be the ones that were director driven with the studio just letting them do their thing with no interference? Hiring an outside company to re-edit the film doesn't really fit that mold.

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# ? May 10, 2024 02:18

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

X-O posted:

Now the critic reviews really didn't bother me, but this does. Weren't the DC films supposedly supposed to be the ones that were director driven with the studio just letting them do their thing with no interference? Hiring an outside company to re-edit the film doesn't really fit that mold.

DC"s absolute bigger blockbuster and most significant should-be huge hit was outgrossed by a film about a cartoon rabbit and fox battling institutionalized racism and a film with basically the same concept but Marvel's characters instead, and Fox turned a relatively niche character into probably the most profitable film of the year. They're probably desperately trying to figure out a way to right ship without looking weak.

# ? Aug 3, 2016 21:16

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