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Godholio posted:First off, think about how many countries in the world actually have something that could be called "a decently capable air defense system" then think about what you're asking. I only have the vaguest of ideas on both of these tbh  I was sort of wondering where on the continuum from a Predator to a B2 they sit survivabilitywise nowadays, but I understand that it depends on what you attempt do with them and that getting into that is a bit dicey, so disregard, sorry.
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hobbesmaster posted:Russian double digit SAMs are proliferating like mad so that's not quite as crazy as it would've been a few years ago. loving Algeria has multiple S-300 systems, including some newer SA-23s. granted every country that has them doesn't automatically have an effective networked IADS but still but yeah the real question is "how many could effectively deal with the full spectrum of Western SEAD/DEAD/stand-off jamming capabilities," and that list is probably quite a bit smaller
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Godholio posted:We've been able to do kamikaze drones since the 1940s. under no circumstance do you give this capability to a Kennedy or any vehicle, really
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VikingSkull posted:under no circumstance do you give this capability to a Kennedy I like to make fun of the Kennedys as much as the next guy but at least they had the stones to volunteer for some insanely dangerous poo poo instead of getting some cushy staff job. Joe got blown up on the suicide mission you reference and John got run over by a loving destroyer. Say what you will about their competence but back then at least the political clans shipped their kids off to the front. Mostly.
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Godholio posted:We've been able to do kamikaze drones since the 1940s. As well as the converted 4-engine bombers, there was also a weird little twin-engine drone that they experimented with in the Pacific, the TDR-1.
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Smiling Jack posted:I like to make fun of the Kennedys as much as the next guy but at least they had the stones to volunteer for some insanely dangerous poo poo instead of getting some cushy staff job. Joe got blown up on the suicide mission you reference and John got run over by a loving destroyer. Yeah, Bush seniors record was pretty hardcore too. My how the apple has fallen far from the tree.
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Smiling Jack posted:Say what you will about their competence but back then at least the political clans shipped their kids off to the front. Mostly. Old Joe lost the wrong son, though - I'm sure if he could've made more offerings to Mammon to assure Joe Junior survived, he'd have sacrificed both John and Robert in half a heartbeat.
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Old Joe had one of his kids fuckin lobotomized to keep her quiet guy did not give a gently caress Always felt kinda bad for Ted Kennedy in a way, every single one of his brothers died young and violently.
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StandardVC10 posted:As well as the converted 4-engine bombers, there was also a weird little twin-engine drone that they experimented with in the Pacific, the TDR-1. Splitting hairs here, but drones that are man-portable, can be operated by one guy, can loiter in the air for an hour or so providing vital intel, and then suicide into something 1000x more expensive then itself with it's anti-tank warfare+fragmentation sleeve.
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The tech sure wasn't mature in the early 40's though. That whole Operation Aphrodite/Anvil was a total disaster from start to finish, that literally killed more friendlies than it did the enemy.
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Smiling Jack posted:Old Joe had one of his kids fuckin lobotomized to keep her quiet guy did not give a gently caress There's a "so did his girlfriend" joke.
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From the "crazy ideas for nukes in the 50s/60s" file: Nuke the oilsands
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So this game up in a chat and I'm pretty sure the person is either wrong or taking something out of context, but there's two one-off mentions in Wikipedia that the JSDF camo scheme (Type I and Type II) were Copied by China, the Type 1 apparently for experimental purposes, the second mention is less detailed and after some google searching I haven't found any other references. The PLA has a decent amount of resources and funding and plus given some of the geopolitical tensions between the PRC and Japan I somewhat doubt the claim without further collaboration. Does anyone know? I also see reference that at some point the PLA may have copied the camo scheme of the USMC but that seems more reasonable, if you want the best fighting force why not study the best fighting force (the Americans in general, I don't mean the Marines in particular)?
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It's all CADPAT ripoffs anyway  
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priznat posted:It's all CADPAT ripoffs anyway Canadian brother! Did we do it first?
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priznat posted:It's all a bunch of green and brown blotches anyway
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F-35A just officially reached IOC today, for whatever that's worth.
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priznat posted:From the "crazy ideas for nukes in the 50s/60s" file:
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That Works posted:There's a "so did his girlfriend" joke. I was going to say, it wasn't for lack of trying on Teddy's part.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Canadian brother! Did we do it first? Yeah, but then you abandoned it for an American product and scrapped the prototypes.
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Speaking of camouflage, is the US Navy still using that weird (choice for sailors) digital camouflage uniform.
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Yep. It works really well in the desert, too.
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Godholio posted:Yep. It works really well in the desert, too. But they aren't using mirage camo
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Secretary of the USAF declares the 76th hunger games open http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/885496/air-force-declares-the-f-35a-combat-ready.aspx
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Reading about the F-35A IOC slapfight in D&D made me wonder; what's the anti-F-35? The program that came in on time, under budget, and proceeded to blow goats or otherwise completely fail to meet objectives in service?
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So the AGM-114 Hellfire we all know (and some people may even LOVE???) is capable of doing the whole LOBL/LOAL thing to fire from behind cover, etc. This has led to the impression that its a top-attack missile. But there are some arguments to the contrary, with people implying it'll impact at like 15 degrees at max range when fired from a LOAL mode at near ground level. I hope this isnt an OPSEC thing, but can anybody confirm that? Is the top-attack just a side effect of the flight pattern set before launch, or is there some manner of top-attack incentive taken by the missile during its terminal phase to ensure a more vertical-oriented impact?
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Dandywalken posted:
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Forums Terrorist posted:Reading about the F-35A IOC slapfight in D&D made me wonder; what's the anti-F-35? The program that came in on time, under budget, and proceeded to blow goats or otherwise completely fail to meet objectives in service? Being on time and on budget, yet failing to meet objectives? It's a good question. The B-58 and B-36 managed to do everything assigned of them, but were only in service a short time thanks to technology changes.
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Dandywalken posted:So the AGM-114 Hellfire we all know (and some people may even LOVE???) is capable of doing the whole LOBL/LOAL thing to fire from behind cover, etc. Nice try, comrade.
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Where's OPSEC wizard when you need him?
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Forums Terrorist posted:Reading about the F-35A IOC slapfight in D&D made me wonder; what's the anti-F-35? The program that came in on time, under budget, and proceeded to blow goats or otherwise completely fail to meet objectives in service? If it's on time and on budget but doesn't meet objectives, it's probably not entering into service. Of if it's not meeting objectives, enough time or money will be dumped on it to get it to enter into service that it won't be on time and on budget anymore. The A-5?
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Dandywalken posted:So the AGM-114 Hellfire we all know (and some people may even LOVE???) is capable of doing the whole LOBL/LOAL thing to fire from behind cover, etc. I used to shoot individual infantrymen with them in GUNSHIP on my C64. Nick Cage taught me that trick.
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I remember that launch mode in Apache Havok.
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Dandywalken posted:So the AGM-114 Hellfire we all know (and some people may even LOVE???) is capable of doing the whole LOBL/LOAL thing to fire from behind cover, etc. Just try it out???
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Phanatic posted:If it's on time and on budget but doesn't meet objectives, it's probably not entering into service. Of if it's not meeting objectives, enough time or money will be dumped on it to get it to enter into service that it won't be on time and on budget anymore. How was the F7U for budget? Normally they'd try to fix things but it didn't have room for bigger engines. F2A might work as well.
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LingcodKilla posted:Where's OPSEC wizard when you need him? Protesting FBI headquarters.
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Forums Terrorist posted:Reading about the F-35A IOC slapfight in D&D made me wonder; what's the anti-F-35? The program that came in on time, under budget, and proceeded to blow goats or otherwise completely fail to meet objectives in service? The actual anti-F-35 is a program that comes in on time, under budget and proceeds to knock it out of the park at every step of the way. So in that case, the P-8 Poseidon.
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Godholio posted:Protesting FBI headquarters. 
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Forums Terrorist posted:Reading about the F-35A IOC slapfight in D&D made me wonder; what's the anti-F-35? The program that came in on time, under budget, and proceeded to blow goats or otherwise completely fail to meet objectives in service? Nebakenezzer posted:Being on time and on budget, yet failing to meet objectives? It's a good question. The B-58 and B-36 managed to do everything assigned of them, but were only in service a short time thanks to technology changes. I'm with the guy that said anything that doesn't do the mission gets money dumped into it until it does and/or finds a new mission. That said, basically any plane that had any radar computer or radar system before the advent of modern testing procedures and small digital electronics seems to have a horrible MTBF with lots of pilot store about how this or that never worked. This seems to be true whether its a radar alt or weapons radar with the F-111 stocking out as a recently published example on Tyler Rogoway's The War Zone. F-14 is known for this as well but again, infamously over budget. You could probably make an argument that any radar subsystem which actually was designed within budget probably didnt do the mission awesomely...but most that weren't in budget didnt either.
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