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like i said, it is only moderately good aside from the stuff with his father
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I'm currently done scraping the bottom of the barrel for new things for now. The last on my list was Heretic's Edge and it's been decent enough. Magic school, fighting monsters, and it's not black and white. The Iron Teeth was also good but the more recent stuff leaves me wondering what exactly the story is going to do with the main character without having him stagnate. Serious Frolicking posted:i have only read the translated chapters, too. even without it being explicitly stated the stuff about his father is really, really obvious. Yes? I'm not sure where the disagreement is.
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Aug 2, 2016 10:16
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Whelp, it was a fun 225 chapters for Release That Witch. Currently I'm waiting for the next chapter to be released, though I'm not too clear on its update rate. One thing that I realized after putting it down is that Release That Witch is pretty much X-Men: Medieval Witch Edition. The church is the Sentinel program people, the MC is Xavier, and his younger sister can kinda be Magneto.
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Aug 2, 2016 20:49
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I rather like Dungeon Defense. The MC is clearly a broken human(demon?) being. But his plans and interactions with everyone else are pretty fantastic so far. He isn't a murderhobo by any means. He's a well written anti-hero flexing his muscles in a world where he has some prior knowledge and the acting skills to put said knowledge into play. Obviously it's a Korean novel but it definitely tops out most Xianxia in characterization/plot insofar as I'm concerned.
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Aug 3, 2016 00:19
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it is nice that there is one (and only one) wn with the word dungeon in the name that isn't all rapey, at least.
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Aug 3, 2016 00:53
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Yeah, even if the main character is a loving psychopath, I do appreciate having one that is very, very explicitly anti-child-loving.quote:I spoke in an incredibly serious tone. Plus it's double hilarious for someone who is incredibly hosed up in the head to monologue about how insane child-fuckers are.
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Aug 3, 2016 11:13
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you have to take that with a grain of salt, because there are also illustrations of the scantily clad 1000 year old loli in this volume.
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Aug 3, 2016 11:31
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God Slaying Hero is very good. Kind of reminds me of the 40k Caphius Cain novels. In that the main protagonist doesn't really understand how much of a hero he is.
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Dunno how far in you are yet, but it's actually even better than that. He knows exactly how much of a hero he is, he's just incredibly loving depressed because his talent can only fully unlock when someone he loves dies. In order to defeat the demon god, the woman he loved was sacrificed and died. He brought some measure of peace to the world and protected his teammates at the cost of Eru, so he can't stand it when people call him a hero. Best of all he can't even tell anyone about this, because he knows they'd then feel about as poo poo as he does. For the sake of their happiness, he keeps this a secret, despite the fact that it means most of his friends are kind of low-key pissed off at him, and most of the women who like him don't understand why he won't return their affection. I really, really loving love God-Slaying Hero. It is an incredibly well-crafted story. Edit: gently caress it, I'm going to gush some more. There's even a story element that mimics one of the best ones from "Burriko Villain :: Magical Otaku" in that Since his current sword is a reincarnation of Eru, he subconsciously treats it the same as her. He spent two years bonding with her, and falling in love with her, plus she had a human form and was able (in some ways) to return his affection. The current Erminhilde has none of that, and sees itself as purely a weapon. She's confused, and frustrated by the fact that he treats her as something she's not. He is aware of this, but can't help treating the reincarnation of the woman he loves this way, which leads to a lot of friction between them. It's so loving good, because it's something heartrending, with no easy solution, and you can't really argue that either of the characters are in the wrong. He knows for a fact that Erminhilde can be more than just a weapon. But Erminhilde doesn't show any desire to be anything more than that, and that's her choice. It's just so loving tragic and brilliant and I can't say enough good things about this story. Everyone in the thread should give it a read, trust me. Double Edit: Actually, I should clarify, the story hasn't really made it clear yet whether or not Erminhilde can manifest a human form. There is every possibility that she actually is able, he's just not willing to do so due to the trauma from a year ago. Captain Bravo fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Aug 3, 2016 16:54
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I hate to say it, but Kamigoroshi gets sickeningly repetitive. I gave up after ch72, when I felt like I'd read the same scene for the twentieth time. At least the story is completed at 154 chapters, so maybe it's possible to power through and hope it eventually gets good again. If the author would just purge Aya from the cosmos...
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Aug 3, 2016 17:25
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Ugh, that is incredibly disappointing to hear.  In other news, I've found yet another contender for worst novel. Rose and Lily Field. It was just added today, and only the prologue, but I've got a good feeling about this one: quote:Apparently reincarnated in a different world. According to god i have a spear that can cause the downfall of humanity.  quote:Tags: Male to Female 
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Aug 3, 2016 17:43
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Captain Bravo posted:Ugh, that is incredibly disappointing to hear. Well, it could just be a result of me shipping Yuuko over Aya. I couldn't take any more of the "Wow, Aya has grown into such a beautiful woman. I should make up my mind. But she's like a daughter to me..." loop that comes up over and over and over and over again. When I first started reading, I loved the melancholic tone and the tired banter and stuff, though.
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Aug 3, 2016 17:57
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darkgray posted:I hate to say it, but Kamigoroshi gets sickeningly repetitive. I gave up after ch72, when I felt like I'd read the same scene for the twentieth time. At least the story is completed at 154 chapters, so maybe it's possible to power through and hope it eventually gets good again. If the author would just purge Aya from the cosmos... I also got bored with it. It doesn't help that I'm not a fan of the whole bait and switch where the story tells you the MC is weak but no - he's actually the strongest and everyone respects him because he's such an awesome dude.
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darkgray posted:Well, it could just be a result of me shipping Yuuko over Aya. I couldn't take any more of the "Wow, Aya has grown into such a beautiful woman. I should make up my mind. But she's like a daughter to me..." loop that comes up over and over and over and over again. When I first started reading, I loved the melancholic tone and the tired banter and stuff, though. I can't say much, because I'm only able to read the translations and not the originals, but personally I'm holding out hope that somehow either Eru can be revived, or Erminhilde gains a physical body. I totally get the Yuuko thing, though. The Aya relationship seems weird, but there's such a natural chemistry between Yuuko and the MC, plus since she knows the secret you can tell how hard on her it is to love him while knowing what he's going through. Ytlaya posted:I also got bored with it. It doesn't help that I'm not a fan of the whole bait and switch where the story tells you the MC is weak but no - he's actually the strongest and everyone respects him because he's such an awesome dude. I dunno, I mean even from the description you know there's more going on to this dude than meets the eye. quote:It is he, the center of the thirteen braves, who is far more heroic than others. It straight up calls him the strongest man, and more heroic than the others. All his weakness comes from inside his own head, which is why he's such a compelling character.
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My largest issue with Kamigoroshi is that it's the -epitome- of "tell don't show" writing. The protagonist is always being called useful, cool, powerful etc but he really just kinda meanders along.
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Captain Bravo posted:It straight up calls him the strongest man, and more heroic than the others. All his weakness comes from inside his own head, which is why he's such a compelling character. I'm not really sure if "main character is super humble even though he's actually super awesome and powerful and everyone else loves him" is anything exceptionally compelling. If anything, someone who is actually powerful but obsessively insists that he isn't comes off as really condescending. I guess part of the issue I had is that even though it states that he's powerful, early on you sort of get the impression that he's super weak against anything but End Boss-type enemies. But it turns out that he's actually really strong in pretty much any tough fight. Granted, it's mostly the "MC is super powerful" part I dislike; it's just that implying the MC might not be ridiculously powerful sets me up for disappointment. FriggenJ posted:My largest issue with Kamigoroshi is that it's the -epitome- of "tell don't show" writing. The protagonist is always being called useful, cool, powerful etc but he really just kinda meanders along. This also. The frequency and degree to which other characters praise the MC is absolutely nuts, even for a WN. It's like he is constantly receiving enthusiastic verbal fellatio from everyone around him. edit: In my opinion, Kamigoroshi is sort of similar to Sevens in that it has some very compelling elements but is ultimately dragged down by a bunch of web novel stereotypes.
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ISSTH Book 5 Wow, Meng Haos first severing was awful. All the other severings mentioned so far had an element of loss or sacrifice but it turns out you dont need to sacrifice anything when you sever, just sever things that do not conform with your Dao. So why isnt everyone walking a Dao where they can cleave away bullshit they hate instead of like, murdering all thier children
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Aug 4, 2016 00:24
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Because they were chumps who were doing it wrong. Personally, I love the idea that all of these rear end in a top hat immortality obsessed kung fu wizards just instinctively assumed they had to give up their humanity and concocted these insane convoluted scenarios where they mentally prepared themselves to become even more monstrous and amoral when it turns out that nope that was all just them naturally assuming the worst of reality.
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Yeah, it's because they completely missed the point. Cultivation is kind of a philosophical journey as well as an out-and-out magical one--it isn't a coincidence that Meng Hao's powerups typically coincide with some kind of revelation. The early parts are about developing yourself, circulating your cultivation base as you meditate on its connection with the surrounding world. As you go into Spirit Severing and Dao Seeking, you're refining what that means to you specifically--Patriarch Reliance 's incarnation back in the Reliance Sect was cultivating the Dao of Greed, for example, because to him it is a mean to the end of acquisition. Spirit Severing is meant to be about cutting away things holding you back from your pursuit of your personal Dao. If you do it really wrong, you cut into your Dao and die. If you do it the way Patriarch Childmurderer did, you take a really poor view of what's holding you back, and cut away something like love or emotions. Technically they're probably not strictly speaking part of your Dao, so it won't kill you, and they are the sort of connections that would keep you from dedicating yourself to cultivation above anything else. But actually doing that means that you probably haven't really thought your Dao through, and are doing it just for power or longevity instead of in pursuit of your Dao. You've failed the philosophy bit. People who do that will probably fail in Dao Seeking or become false immortals. Meng Hao has a clear idea of who he is and what cultivation means to him, so he carves away things that are not part of his Dao, and are not part of the person he wants to be.
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Captain Bravo posted:Yeah, even if the main character is a loving psychopath, I do appreciate having one that is very, very explicitly anti-child-loving. Anti child loving is an admirable quality. Truly a hero by Japanese Web novel standards.
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Aug 4, 2016 01:59
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Anti child loving is an admirable quality. Truly a hero by Japanese Web novel standards. Nah, he's not a hero until literally everyone who disagrees with him turns out to be a child-fucker so he murders them all.
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Aug 4, 2016 02:23
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Anti child loving is an admirable quality. Truly a hero by Japanese Web novel standards. It is honestly depressing how close to the truth this quip is. If I see one more goddamned novel use "YES lolita NO touch" I will pull some of my loving hair out.
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BIG SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 841 OF ISSTH posted:“Dad, I can’t really identify with your path. I think… getting all of the Chosen in the Ninth Mountain and Sea to owe me money is the ideal way.” 
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Captain Bravo posted:"YES lolita NO touch" Do I even want to know what this means?
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"Being creepy about being a pedophile is okay, but only if you don't engage in child sex." Basically, child porn is okay as long as you're not committing statutory rape (it's not).
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Probably "wooooaaaaah it's a loli woah wait no I shouldn't do anything with them that's wrong!!!!".
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The number of people commenting on Ascendance of a Bookworm who "ship" Maine and Lutz is... concerning. Lutz is a six-year-old boy. Maine is a grown woman trapped in the body of a six-year-old girl. ~anime fans~
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Cripes, what is wrong with these people. One is too young to be any relationship other than platonic, and the other is way too old mentally to consider a child as future life-mate. Maybe in 20 years, but I seriously doubt it.
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jwang posted:Cripes, what is wrong with these people. I don't know who is worse. The people that write/read stories about creepy protags drooling over and/or loving children, or the people that write/read stories about Their magical house sprouting a human body, which they then gently caress for ultimate power.
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Aug 4, 2016 04:52
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the pedophiles, obviously. like, i don't get how that is even in question.
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It was a rhetorical question, just wanted to point out that one of the novels I tried to read was about a house that pops a body so the owner fucks it for magic power. I guess we're so numb to the stupid bullshit by this point that actually comes off as a serious question? 
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Desuwa posted:I'm currently done scraping the bottom of the barrel for new things for now. The last on my list was Heretic's Edge and it's been decent enough. Magic school, fighting monsters, and it's not black and white. drat this poo poo gets dark. Not on the level of that chapter from Void Domain, but it gets to the point where you wonder if anything positive has ever actually happened in that universe. It's not black and white but it is pitch black and shades of grey. The negativity just grinds me down.
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Aug 4, 2016 08:42
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Good lord, the first arc in book 5 of ISSTH is great.
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Desuwa posted:The Iron Teeth was also good but the more recent stuff leaves me wondering what exactly the story is going to do with the main character without having him stagnate. I'm giving this a shot, and I like what I'm seeing so far. The author is pretty good at getting the voice right for a non-human protagonist making his way in a human world. quote:“I’m morbidly curious about what your plan for getting to Galive is,” Saeter asked a few seconds later. Edit: Almost forgot the best part. He's like Meng Hao, in that he constantly robs everyone around him, except it somehow is never his fault. quote:“Buying means taking, doesn’t it?” he asked in confusion. quote:A few seconds later the plate of food was placed in front of him, and Blacknail gave the nice man three coppers. It wasn’t his money though; he’d somehow acquired it from someone’s pocket on the way over. Captain Bravo fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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blastron posted:The number of people commenting on Ascendance of a Bookworm who "ship" Maine and Lutz is... concerning. I think every one of the "girl reincarnated into a otome game setting" web novels I've read involves the main character being attracted to boys before the end of elementary school, despite mentally being in her twenties (if not older if you count the years spend as a child on top of the age of their past life). edit: The children also act WAY older than their age. You'll have 5th graders acting like they're in high school or something.
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Herbotron posted:Meng Hao is the best protagonist. His dedication to the Dao of Conning is an example we should all aspire to.
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Man, I really really want to like Maoyuu Maou Yuusha. I really want to like this novel. It's a decent enough twist on a genre that's mostly played out, especially with the demon lord being the knowledgeable one and the hero being an idiot. It's a really finely crafted love story, with a loving adorable female lead and just enough teasing with the slow relationship progression to not wear out its welcome. It doesn't have rape, slaves, harems, lolis, slave harems, or the main character raping his way through his slave harem. It's such a good story, and I love the story so much... I just absolutely cannot stand the writing style. It almost pains me to read. It's all dialogue. The characters narrate their actions. They narrate each other's actions. They narrate what they're feeling, while narrating their actions, while they're talking to each other.quote:— The Demon World, the Beast Fang Tribe, Stronghold of the Black Wolves 46 loving chapters of every bit of action, politics, romance, intrigue, and enough loving other-world economic theory to make your head spin all narrated. It is the literal antithesis of "Show, don't tell". I understand that when you're dealing with a novel there's a fine line there, but by god this one is so far beyond that loving line that it cannot see the line anymore. The line is a dot. And it's very frustrating because I love the story and the characters and I want to read more of it, but every chapter I read just takes so much out of me that I have to put it down for a while. I would really, really enjoy somebody turning this into an actual Light Novel, and throwing half a dozen editors at the author until the final product doesn't make my eyes hurt.
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It was already turned into a successful manga series and even got an anime.
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BlitzBlast posted:It was already turned into a successful manga series and even got an anime.
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