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I have decided to start rereading Bleach and man I miss early Bleach so much, and I have not appreciated Rukia enough (though she is hardly any more of a character than Chad these days).
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Aug 4, 2016 07:44
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Tunicate posted:She spent like ten years in poverty followed by two hundred years of absolute luxury. Considering how long ghost aging takes and she went from looking like a kid to a young adult she like spent a few hundred years in ghost poverty. Probably more time than she spent as part of the ghost upper class. chumbler posted:I miss early Bleach. 
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Aug 4, 2016 07:48
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Tunicate posted:She spent like ten years in poverty followed by two hundred years of absolute luxury. SyntheticPolygon posted:Considering how long ghost aging takes and she went from looking like a kid to a young adult she like spent a few hundred years in ghost poverty. Probably more time than she spent as part of the ghost upper class. Let me scrounge up my post.
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Aug 4, 2016 07:50
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Some other tidbits of information. So 40 years in luxury I think?
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Aug 4, 2016 07:52
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The second Bleach OP had Ishida vs Hitsugaya and Chad/cat Yoruichi vs Soi Fon. Man I wish those had actually happened.
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Aug 4, 2016 07:58
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:So 40 years in luxury I think?
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Aug 4, 2016 08:11
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How much of the cast bloat and power-level weirdness could have been avoided if Kubo had decided on 5 or 6 squads rather than 13?
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Aug 4, 2016 08:22
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you could fit all of the ss cast into 5-6 squads, the seated officers would just be more important
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Aug 4, 2016 08:24
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Rereading old Bleach is a hoot. 
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Aug 4, 2016 09:06
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Look at all these personality having motherfuckers. No wonder Kubo decided to lose them for the Dorks from SS, these require actual effort to write as they're not all the same. 6 squads would also contain all the different ideologies. Healing, Kido, Assassins, Fighting, Research and the leaders squad. Instead of having those plus 7 squads whose thing is totally different to those I swear. Cavelcade fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Aug 4, 2016 09:20
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Kon even had a proper(and good) backstory that touched on the ethics creating sentient tools, I don't think that outside of that little bit of backstory he's ever been not funny.  
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Aug 4, 2016 09:29
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Cavelcade posted:Look at all these personality having motherfuckers. No wonder Kubo decided to lose them for the Dorks from SS, these require actual effort to write as they're not all the same. Aizen takes half the squads with him when he defects bam.
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Aug 4, 2016 09:32
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lohli posted:Rereading old Bleach is a hoot. She certainly matured into a well-developed and solid character while retaining her whimsical nature, becoming a useful member of the cast!     
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Aug 4, 2016 09:36
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Has nothing to do with the cast members and everything to do with the entire manga becoming doomy gloom town haunted with the ghosts of tension and excitement as Ichigo battles a shadow omelet that keeps breaking his sword.
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Aug 4, 2016 09:39
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Spiderdrake posted:Has nothing to do with the cast members and everything to do with the entire manga becoming doomy gloom town haunted with the ghosts of tension and excitement as Ichigo battles a shadow omelet that keeps breaking his sword. Controversial statement but I blame Kubo.
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Aug 4, 2016 09:41
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AndwhatIseeisme posted:It is incredibly frustrating to realize Kubo was setting up the fact that Ichigo and Ishida's dads knew each other even before Ishida was introduced, yet still failed to ever go anywhere with that fact. Sometimes I like to think of an alternate reality where the soul society turned out to be a good not boring place and Hell wound up having an actual plotline. Actually I'm basically just thinking of yuyu hakusho.
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Aug 4, 2016 09:43
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Controversial statement but I blame Kubo. Kubo did nothing wrong.
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Aug 4, 2016 09:51
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I want to marry the small ghost lady rukia help me, friends
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Aug 4, 2016 09:53
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The saddest part about this manga is that it had a ton of potential. Kubo is obviously really creative but unfortunately that creativity is wasted because he couldn't execute and make it meaningful.
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Aug 4, 2016 10:04
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Shinjobi posted:I want to marry the small ghost lady rukia What the gently caress is wrong with you, why would you choose Rukia over Orihime?
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Aug 4, 2016 10:05
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Aug 4, 2016 10:05
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I wish I was Soifon so I could marry Yoruichi.
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Aug 4, 2016 10:14
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you, why would you choose Rukia over Orihime? Rukia has class.
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Aug 4, 2016 10:15
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hiddenriverninja posted:Rukia has class. And Orihime doesn't???? Look at her, she's a world class sprinter AND a world class boxing champion!   
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Aug 4, 2016 10:17
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What the gently caress there used to be bounties on Hollows? Who decides these values? 
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Aug 4, 2016 10:19
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Thanks for posting good Orihime pages Zep. I'd forgotten she used to be really entertaining. It was a bad move by Kubo to suddenly replace her a few arcs in with someone with the same name and design imo. Though I guess he did the same for all the guys from Karakura town even the main character.
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Aug 4, 2016 10:25
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Even Kon used to be more than a gag. 
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Aug 4, 2016 10:29
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Early bleach is funnier, but the hollow battles really couldn't have continued for much longer than they did. They were getting really stale by the time Ishida turned up.
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Aug 4, 2016 10:31
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A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Jesus loving Christ Kubo with the self gags. Hisagi: I've already learned my bankai. Rangiku: Never seen it. Hitsugaya: Me neither. Rangiku: You sure you're not just making this up? Kensei: I haven't seen it too.
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Aug 4, 2016 10:34
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Rukia constantly trolling Renji when she's in prison is funny. Early Bleach is actually way better than early Naruto I'd say. Urahara is a treasure. sharktamer posted:Early bleach is funnier, but the hollow battles really couldn't have continued for much longer than they did. They were getting really stale by the time Ishida turned up. My re-read is up to them infiltrating Rukongai via the giant portal and the captains get alerted. Guys maybe the secret knowledge behind shounen comics is that things are actually way more tense when they are moving pretty quickly! Also Chad breaks Ishida free from that spirit-wall thing with his strength and Orihime stops the cleaner-train with her barriers long enough for them to save them. Chad/Orihime Status: Funny and relevant.
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Aug 4, 2016 11:09
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Even Kon used to be more than a gag. Even if it was really dumb, at least the anime did something with the whole mod soul thing. That's another idea that kind of went to waste, even if Kon is the only one left, in his first appearance he was at least willing to fight a hollow. It would have been neat if at some point the whole "well they were supposed to be super soldier souls" thing paid off. EDIT: Know what else is really disappointing? The bit where Orihime first gets her powers isn't bad. She seems pretty on top of things trying to get her friends to safety at first, then stepping in to defend her friends when poo poo goes wrong even though she didn't know she had any kind of super power solely because she didn't want to be useless and have them die for her. More of this character and less of whatever she became would have been cool. Nuebot fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Aug 4, 2016 11:16
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Wow early bleach is very good. I get the impression Kubo created a bunch of amazing funny characters with personality in a cool setting, but then in the end didn't really know where to take it from there. Then when ghost battling started to get worn out, we go to Soul society, and since there's no long-term plan for the plot it kind of just snowballs from there. That's why there's so many plot threads that show up early but never come back. Cool concepts, but no idea what to do with them.
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Aug 4, 2016 11:48
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Bleach was really good all the way through to the final Aizen fight, but it had a horrible problem with pacing that got progressively worse that the anime ultimately couldn't make up for(largely due to catching up to the manga), and there were a bunch of things that were touched on and then discarded(Turn Back the Pendulum), probably because editors were aware that they'd take the series off on a tangent that would gently caress up the series by leading to nowhere or taking it completely off-course with no return to whatever happened prior to the detour. I want to see the series reworked as an anime that starts from the beginning of the manga, keep all the good poo poo, rework what needs reworking, expand on the good, ditch the stuff that was ultimately fruitless. Maybe find a way to get to YWACH as the quincy progenitor god-emperor that doesn't involve a retcon of Ichigo's path to empowerment because of some obsession with making the bad guys ultimate puppet-masters. And to actually have good pacing, no lovely padding of episodes because you need to make two chapter's worth of action-spreads last 20 minutes, no goddamned filler arcs. Also the doodles in early chapters are great. 
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Aug 4, 2016 12:47
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i like how all that stuff urahara talks about with shipments and money turned out to be completely untrue. they made it seem like he was providing the few shinigami that actually did any work with supplies. but really, who would have sent him anything? he was a fugitive from ss and no one knew where he was. he had no contact with any sword ghosts aside from rukia and maybe the vaizards (who didn't like him). it would make a lot of sense if there were ss affiliates on earth like what urahara pretended to be, but that was never the case.
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Aug 4, 2016 12:59
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Another thing that sort of got dropped is the Menos. In the early chapter the way they talk about it makes it sound like it's just one giant monster, and that just being able to hurt it was a massive achivement. Fast forward a bit and it turns out they're dime a dozen, they all look the same and everyone can just smash them like ants.
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Aug 4, 2016 13:02
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Nuebot posted:Another thing that sort of got dropped is the Menos. In the early chapter the way they talk about it makes it sound like it's just one giant monster, and that just being able to hurt it was a massive achivement. Fast forward a bit and it turns out they're dime a dozen, they all look the same and everyone can just smash them like ants.
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Aug 4, 2016 13:35
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Bisse posted:They're the Sea Kings of Bleach. They're only scary until Luffy learns to Gum Gum Pistol them in the face (which happens in chapter 0. Not even ch 1. ch 0). Welll not grand line sea kings. Those were a problem until the timeskip. But they were never used as a serious metric for power, that would be the marine ranks.
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Aug 4, 2016 13:37
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the ones in the calm belt are still scary, tho I think it's at least partially due to numbers menos were supposed to be a problem for sub captain level dudes because they suck and are basically useless lemmings that accomplish nothing. I can believe that rukia was right that it'd take a bunch of generic shinigami to take out something a captain could kill in one hit
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Manatee Cannon posted:the ones in the calm belt are still scary, tho I think it's at least partially due to numbers That is one of the main problems with Bleach. The power gaps that are literally insurmountable no matter how smart you are, unless you're Urahara. This would also probably have been helped by having fewer squads.
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